The one and only Capello thread (5 Viewers)
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there r many good coaches who lead smaller teams, as we all know this club is massive. Can any coach handle them ? i dont think so..
thats the mistake roma did last year when bringing in ruddi voeller, as although he is a fairly good coach he cant handle the statute of the club or the big names in it.
thats the mistake roma did last year when bringing in ruddi voeller, as although he is a fairly good coach he cant handle the statute of the club or the big names in it.
No capello is not a moron as it will take a moron not to win the league with the players we have. The problem is not winning the league but how we won it if we are gonna win it. Too many games were gifted to us by refereeing decisions and you hear we are being investigated by authorities for Moggi speaking or demanding certain referees and it does beg the question of Capello's apaprently supreme coaching skills.
No our squad is not as good as Chelsea's and Barcelona and those 2 have dominated their respective leagues these past 2 seasons.
How Sateeh can say we made progress with Blasi in the side last season is beyond me. We won the league last season, and as Sateeh always seems to remind us that Lippi's last season was a disaster. It was not that bad, it did have its highs as well as its lows and we were made to look very bad by a Milan team which just refused to lose or draw matches towards the end and if not for a calamitous 90 mins in deportivo they might have won the treble that season, contrast that to the Milan that Capello had to contend with, losing to Lecce and ridiculous losses like that. That is one of the factors that make Capello successful
Barcelona humilated chelsea did they? Chelsea were almost always on the back foot with 10 men and they still went ahead against probably the best club side in the world.
Contrast that to Juventus, hardly any shots at goal with a back 4 of Toure, Flamini, Eboue and Flamini
Against Liverpool last season, Alonso played his first game against us that year, Carson was making his full debut against us as a goal keeper, Baros and garcia made a mockery of us. In the return Gerrard was missing and we hardly had a sniff at goal
Against Chelsea, its debatable if Liverpool's goal crossed the line but thats another issue
In Cl we struggled against an israeli team, Bruges at home was a struggle as were both games against Werder Bremen, we were humilated in Munich this season and even if we beat bayern in both games last season we were hardly better than them unlike the thrashing they received at Chelsea
I can go on and on but now I am bored
No our squad is not as good as Chelsea's and Barcelona and those 2 have dominated their respective leagues these past 2 seasons.
How Sateeh can say we made progress with Blasi in the side last season is beyond me. We won the league last season, and as Sateeh always seems to remind us that Lippi's last season was a disaster. It was not that bad, it did have its highs as well as its lows and we were made to look very bad by a Milan team which just refused to lose or draw matches towards the end and if not for a calamitous 90 mins in deportivo they might have won the treble that season, contrast that to the Milan that Capello had to contend with, losing to Lecce and ridiculous losses like that. That is one of the factors that make Capello successful
Barcelona humilated chelsea did they? Chelsea were almost always on the back foot with 10 men and they still went ahead against probably the best club side in the world.
Contrast that to Juventus, hardly any shots at goal with a back 4 of Toure, Flamini, Eboue and Flamini
Against Liverpool last season, Alonso played his first game against us that year, Carson was making his full debut against us as a goal keeper, Baros and garcia made a mockery of us. In the return Gerrard was missing and we hardly had a sniff at goal
Against Chelsea, its debatable if Liverpool's goal crossed the line but thats another issue
In Cl we struggled against an israeli team, Bruges at home was a struggle as were both games against Werder Bremen, we were humilated in Munich this season and even if we beat bayern in both games last season we were hardly better than them unlike the thrashing they received at Chelsea
I can go on and on but now I am bored
-isnt moggi being investigated by the FIGC for his actions from the 2004 ? am not sure.... anyway since when were there problems between us and the refferees& doping even before vialli and zidane days.Did anybody blame that on the coaches or the inadequecy of their work ? i didnt and i will not now.
-abt manuele blasi, didnt we go the whole season last year playing him? And still won the league. I didnt say there was any progress in his game this year.IMO thats due to the fact that gianni was brought in, but thats irrelevant.
-wouldn't u agree that we didnt have the best of seasons ?
anyway the injuries didnt help, but there were some mistakes done in regards to the transfers and even to the system played. The injuries didnt help but there were some inital mistakes done.
And milan were great that season, but weren't they chased all the way by Roma ? And it was the controversial game between the two that almost gave the scudetto away to milan.
And if u say it was 90 mins that prevented milan from getting the treble, then u could say the samething to any team.
-Barca r the best side in europe at the moment, and against chelsea especially the 2nd leg.They just outplayed them. Am always refferring to the 2nd leg, where the game started 0-0 and 11 against 11.
And i dont know why soo many ppl r soo fond of mourinho and chelsea. I dont see them playing much better football than we r and although they r doing better than we r in europe. The difference isnt substantial. Both cap and mourinho play the same style of football. However their squad is much better than ours.
- i didnt say we played well in the CL.But for some reason, we passed and halted against an english team.And not suprisingly we were knocked out. Who was the last english team we beat? was it Newcastle. Anyway thats just a lame excuse, but its a fact.
-I said it before and i will say it again, one of the reasons we didnt do very well this season is Viera. He was brought in here cuz in his arsenal game he was always pushing forward and helping the attack.Frequently scoring some goals too. I didnt see any of his form in england, with us in here. i think that it was mistake by cap initially becuz he put all his eggs in one basket. But yet again Viera should be a very good basket.
i can go on and on but now am bored
-abt manuele blasi, didnt we go the whole season last year playing him? And still won the league. I didnt say there was any progress in his game this year.IMO thats due to the fact that gianni was brought in, but thats irrelevant.
-wouldn't u agree that we didnt have the best of seasons ?
anyway the injuries didnt help, but there were some mistakes done in regards to the transfers and even to the system played. The injuries didnt help but there were some inital mistakes done.
And milan were great that season, but weren't they chased all the way by Roma ? And it was the controversial game between the two that almost gave the scudetto away to milan.
And if u say it was 90 mins that prevented milan from getting the treble, then u could say the samething to any team.
-Barca r the best side in europe at the moment, and against chelsea especially the 2nd leg.They just outplayed them. Am always refferring to the 2nd leg, where the game started 0-0 and 11 against 11.
And i dont know why soo many ppl r soo fond of mourinho and chelsea. I dont see them playing much better football than we r and although they r doing better than we r in europe. The difference isnt substantial. Both cap and mourinho play the same style of football. However their squad is much better than ours.
- i didnt say we played well in the CL.But for some reason, we passed and halted against an english team.And not suprisingly we were knocked out. Who was the last english team we beat? was it Newcastle. Anyway thats just a lame excuse, but its a fact.
-I said it before and i will say it again, one of the reasons we didnt do very well this season is Viera. He was brought in here cuz in his arsenal game he was always pushing forward and helping the attack.Frequently scoring some goals too. I didnt see any of his form in england, with us in here. i think that it was mistake by cap initially becuz he put all his eggs in one basket. But yet again Viera should be a very good basket.
i can go on and on but now am bored
Whether its 2004 and or now the fact still remains we again are being investigated and i dont care whether they are found out to be true or not but i do know that after watching our performances and referring decisions we have been helped no end. Blasi played a total of 27 games last season in serieA and not all of them was he a starter so that negates your talk of Capello excelling with a player like Blasi in our midfield.
Even if he played more than that , whats your point? Are you trying to convince that Capello is capable of winning without stars cos let me tell you now, thats horseshit. Of all the top managers in world football, Capello is far away the last when it comes to using lesser players to win games. He is absoloutely hopelss in dealing with player that are not big time. All the times he has tried with Juve and other clubs he has failed miserably as we were 3-0 down by half time against Roma in coppa before he threw in his big name players, 2-0 against Fiorentina before he did the same thing. Whilst at Milan when he was called to rescue the side with players like Andersson and co, he came 11th in the league. What controversy are you talking about between Milan and Roma? Milan beat them fair and square and Roma only came into the mix when Juve gave up on title chase. Roma were never really in it.
Stop comparing Mourinho to Capello already, they are miles apart in everything. Boo hoo that Mourinho has a relatively better squad but who cares, Villareal have a far worse squad than we do and they outplayed Arsenal at their place and had 4 or 5 good chances and missed a last minute penalty, not to mention they had a good penalty claim at highbury turned down,but of cos we could not play well against Arsenal because they are an English team, now if thats not the most ridiculous thing i have read here, i don't know what is.
You mention that which managers will perform better than Capello then i will tell you. Without Moggi's help Benitez,Wenger, Mourinho,Heinzfeld, Lippi, Hiddink and Le Guen possibly. With Moggi's help Eriksson, prandelli, Ancelotti, Deschamps .
Now another ridiculous statement is to actually put the blame on Vieira, what are you talking about? We are in the same position we were in last season , so how is Vieira to blame if he was not here last season?
I was reading on here where someone was saying noone says anything bad about capello, keep dreaming. Totti and mots of the Roma players cannot stand him. Dp , if he is honest, i am sure cannot abide him either alongside some Juve players and there is a rumour that Buffon would rather play under Ancellotti than Capello , thats why you are reading stories of Buffon going to Milan
Capello dentist is in Rome and he allegedly needs a police escort to get there, now why does he evoke that kind of hatred, it cannot just be because he left Roma to come to Juve after all he did play for Juve and still our fans do not like him.
The hypocrisy of branding Mourinho boring and then praising capello is quite astonishing. I am no fan of Mourinho's style of play but i admire him as a manager as he knows which players can play 90 minutes for x amount of games unlike Capello who does not know the meaning of rotation, no matter what size his squad is and how old they are.
Mourinho has been in football management far less than Capello has and they both have the same amount of Cl medals, Mourinho has 4 consecutive championships, he has not lost a game at home in 4 seasons, this season won 18 out of 19 games at home, premiership record but you keep wanting to bring up the Barcelona game , well maybe barcelona dominated them with 11 players and all of that , but Barcelona are probably the best in the world, we on the other hand were dominated by a team 5th in the premiership and we didnt score a single goal in 180 minutes with 3 shots on target in both games but you wanna harp on about barcelona and Chelsea. Vialli yesterday on football italia show was saying the reason he does not like Italian teams is the way they conserve enrgy during games , thinking of the next game and thats what we do all the time, minimum effort as always and thats why our asses keep un being kicked in Europe with the king of minimum effort at the helm
Even if he played more than that , whats your point? Are you trying to convince that Capello is capable of winning without stars cos let me tell you now, thats horseshit. Of all the top managers in world football, Capello is far away the last when it comes to using lesser players to win games. He is absoloutely hopelss in dealing with player that are not big time. All the times he has tried with Juve and other clubs he has failed miserably as we were 3-0 down by half time against Roma in coppa before he threw in his big name players, 2-0 against Fiorentina before he did the same thing. Whilst at Milan when he was called to rescue the side with players like Andersson and co, he came 11th in the league. What controversy are you talking about between Milan and Roma? Milan beat them fair and square and Roma only came into the mix when Juve gave up on title chase. Roma were never really in it.
Stop comparing Mourinho to Capello already, they are miles apart in everything. Boo hoo that Mourinho has a relatively better squad but who cares, Villareal have a far worse squad than we do and they outplayed Arsenal at their place and had 4 or 5 good chances and missed a last minute penalty, not to mention they had a good penalty claim at highbury turned down,but of cos we could not play well against Arsenal because they are an English team, now if thats not the most ridiculous thing i have read here, i don't know what is.
You mention that which managers will perform better than Capello then i will tell you. Without Moggi's help Benitez,Wenger, Mourinho,Heinzfeld, Lippi, Hiddink and Le Guen possibly. With Moggi's help Eriksson, prandelli, Ancelotti, Deschamps .
Now another ridiculous statement is to actually put the blame on Vieira, what are you talking about? We are in the same position we were in last season , so how is Vieira to blame if he was not here last season?
I was reading on here where someone was saying noone says anything bad about capello, keep dreaming. Totti and mots of the Roma players cannot stand him. Dp , if he is honest, i am sure cannot abide him either alongside some Juve players and there is a rumour that Buffon would rather play under Ancellotti than Capello , thats why you are reading stories of Buffon going to Milan
Capello dentist is in Rome and he allegedly needs a police escort to get there, now why does he evoke that kind of hatred, it cannot just be because he left Roma to come to Juve after all he did play for Juve and still our fans do not like him.
The hypocrisy of branding Mourinho boring and then praising capello is quite astonishing. I am no fan of Mourinho's style of play but i admire him as a manager as he knows which players can play 90 minutes for x amount of games unlike Capello who does not know the meaning of rotation, no matter what size his squad is and how old they are.
Mourinho has been in football management far less than Capello has and they both have the same amount of Cl medals, Mourinho has 4 consecutive championships, he has not lost a game at home in 4 seasons, this season won 18 out of 19 games at home, premiership record but you keep wanting to bring up the Barcelona game , well maybe barcelona dominated them with 11 players and all of that , but Barcelona are probably the best in the world, we on the other hand were dominated by a team 5th in the premiership and we didnt score a single goal in 180 minutes with 3 shots on target in both games but you wanna harp on about barcelona and Chelsea. Vialli yesterday on football italia show was saying the reason he does not like Italian teams is the way they conserve enrgy during games , thinking of the next game and thats what we do all the time, minimum effort as always and thats why our asses keep un being kicked in Europe with the king of minimum effort at the helm
- i didnt say that cap doesnt use the stars, but who doesnt? mourinho gave lampard,terry soo many consecutive games this season as well as the old Makelele.Benetiz played gerrard almost every game between august and a bit after the new year.Players like rooney, ferdinand, ronaldinho, ettoo,puyol and the list goes on.Also abt cap, i remember him using some young players at roma, players like de rossi..even cassano
But i have to ask u this... do u think we would've been this dominant this season if cap used the rotation system? I dont think so.Its his problem that he didnt get a much more decent players than the ones we have on the bench. But would rotate the squad and risk the scudetto from the begining ? i think he should've rotated the squad towards the end but he didnt and everyone agrees thats a big mistake.
-how do u say that the squad is irrelevant ?
anyway i was talking abt the stubordness of both of them when it comes to using the same formation. And also using almost two similar systems.Even against barca in the 2nd game when he need to score and needed to use more firepower upfront.
Mourinho's success is great nobody can deny that, but i wasnt talking abt that.
-how can u talk abt totti and his comments ? he hates almost everyone who is out of roma or has a problem with roma. His recent comments abt cassano just proves that.
-i never said we played well against arsenal, and u always suggest that i did.
-i was talking abt viera this season as a dissappointment in the big games, and especially the CL games, you dont agree? I didnt say anything abt last season.
-well abt the managers, i would agree that some names could handle this club however others cant.....anyway we will have to wait and see.
- anyway finally abt systems and formations, there many managers at the moment using something branded of "boring" football. Look at bayern,juve,chelsea,liverpool.... all successfull teams but not the best to watch.
I just hope we get a manager who has a different approach.
good debating with u mate...tc
But i have to ask u this... do u think we would've been this dominant this season if cap used the rotation system? I dont think so.Its his problem that he didnt get a much more decent players than the ones we have on the bench. But would rotate the squad and risk the scudetto from the begining ? i think he should've rotated the squad towards the end but he didnt and everyone agrees thats a big mistake.
-how do u say that the squad is irrelevant ?
anyway i was talking abt the stubordness of both of them when it comes to using the same formation. And also using almost two similar systems.Even against barca in the 2nd game when he need to score and needed to use more firepower upfront.
Mourinho's success is great nobody can deny that, but i wasnt talking abt that.
-how can u talk abt totti and his comments ? he hates almost everyone who is out of roma or has a problem with roma. His recent comments abt cassano just proves that.
-i never said we played well against arsenal, and u always suggest that i did.
-i was talking abt viera this season as a dissappointment in the big games, and especially the CL games, you dont agree? I didnt say anything abt last season.
-well abt the managers, i would agree that some names could handle this club however others cant.....anyway we will have to wait and see.
- anyway finally abt systems and formations, there many managers at the moment using something branded of "boring" football. Look at bayern,juve,chelsea,liverpool.... all successfull teams but not the best to watch.
I just hope we get a manager who has a different approach.
good debating with u mate...tc
to be honest......I dont know why everybody hates capello other then the fact that when we started champions league round of 16 he should of rested our better players , we have great subs and we might have gotten the same results without wasting our "older better" players.
Me personally i dont like capello and i dont hate him.... He got us 2 scudetto's in 2 years, we cant win everything......
the last 2 years, juve = 2 cups, milan = 0
Me personally i dont like capello and i dont hate him.... He got us 2 scudetto's in 2 years, we cant win everything......
the last 2 years, juve = 2 cups, milan = 0
You do not remember when by half way through the season that everyone in the media were saying that out attack of trez- divaio and nedved were the best since sivori and charles , when they were scoring golas for fun, we were leading then until it all got pear shaped. I do not remember Roma leading the table by 6 points at all, all i do remember Milan going on a run of consecutive games with win after win after win. Milan won the league with 82 points, Roma came second with 71 and we came third with 69. Now Sateeh keeps on saying that we had a very horrible season but we were still 2 points behind Capello's Roma. We had horrendous injury problems wih Dp playing just 22 games and Trez 25. We scored 67 goals, 2 more than Milan unfortunately we conceded 47 with the likes of Leggro, Iuliano, Ferrara and Montero in defence , it aint surprising.
denco, kinda contradictive:
sayin Capello is nothing without his stars and can win only with them,
and then saying Mourinho's abundance of star players are irrelevant to judgement of his coaching abilities and that Mourinho is miles better than Capello....
the arguments look biased and emotional to me...
and yes saying Milan were 90mins away from a trebble is pushin it...
How bout thinking of it this way, Chelsea are shitloads ahead in the league becuase EPL teams are somewhat off-form. MU have been a disappointment the last two seasons, so have Arsenal and Liverpool. Chelsea lack challangers and rightfully are running away with it. Milan, Inter and Roma are stronger domestic rivals than those I mentioned before.
By your logic of Mourinho's greatness, shouldn't Chelsea been able to beet Liverpool two years ago? With more stars and a few players he took with him from Porto not to mention unlimited money surely Mourinho should have won the CL by now?
Capello, as shitty of a tactician as he is, is going to win us another scudetto and contrary to what you say, this Juventus was actually high flyin'.
You say that in Lippi's last year, our Juventus was really good but Milan just had a wonderful run which prevented us from challenging? And this year its because Milan who made flukes is why we are still runnin.
I can't see how that is remotely true, everybody's been talkin about how superb Juventus have been playin this season(points wise) and that Milan and Inter are unlucky to have a Juve side so stunning, that they aren't able to compete. It is only the absolute deterioration of our side that we are brought down to earth to compete with Milan. Who's fault? I agree, most is squarely on Don Fabio...(if yar gonna play brute football atleast rotate mate).
Now all I wanna add is that although I agree that Cap is doin poorly and is less and less looking like a coach who can bring us CL glory, I hope it can be shown more objectively.
sayin Capello is nothing without his stars and can win only with them,
and then saying Mourinho's abundance of star players are irrelevant to judgement of his coaching abilities and that Mourinho is miles better than Capello....
the arguments look biased and emotional to me...
and yes saying Milan were 90mins away from a trebble is pushin it...
How bout thinking of it this way, Chelsea are shitloads ahead in the league becuase EPL teams are somewhat off-form. MU have been a disappointment the last two seasons, so have Arsenal and Liverpool. Chelsea lack challangers and rightfully are running away with it. Milan, Inter and Roma are stronger domestic rivals than those I mentioned before.
By your logic of Mourinho's greatness, shouldn't Chelsea been able to beet Liverpool two years ago? With more stars and a few players he took with him from Porto not to mention unlimited money surely Mourinho should have won the CL by now?
Capello, as shitty of a tactician as he is, is going to win us another scudetto and contrary to what you say, this Juventus was actually high flyin'.
You say that in Lippi's last year, our Juventus was really good but Milan just had a wonderful run which prevented us from challenging? And this year its because Milan who made flukes is why we are still runnin.
I can't see how that is remotely true, everybody's been talkin about how superb Juventus have been playin this season(points wise) and that Milan and Inter are unlucky to have a Juve side so stunning, that they aren't able to compete. It is only the absolute deterioration of our side that we are brought down to earth to compete with Milan. Who's fault? I agree, most is squarely on Don Fabio...(if yar gonna play brute football atleast rotate mate).
Now all I wanna add is that although I agree that Cap is doin poorly and is less and less looking like a coach who can bring us CL glory, I hope it can be shown more objectively.
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