The Official Weather Thread: Andy's Haven (1 Viewer)

[Bjerknes]

Man it's rainin' like Jesus down here in LA, my cats is floatin' away with my turkey necks!

Save me, tooth brusher!

There is a scuba gear store in Hagestown swim up there and get the gear it's gonna be a long week.

But come on, which idiot wouldn't take it seriously this time around? I mean, if anything, his intention should have been to reassure people. He should have said "we have a plan", rather than saying "get out of this town because the storm of the century is coming and we're all going to die if we don't flee right this minute.". And I really don't get why people who want to stay should be arrested. People should be allowed to stay if they wanted to.

Come on, Andy, you're evading the point. If you're going to make houses like that in New Orleans you should have the decency to tell people they risk losing it quite fast. It's just not a good solution. They're not adapted to the environment.

I think the true question is why build a city below sea-level in the first place. We can argue over materials for building all day, but the fact is many people cannot afford brick houses, especially those who live in New Orleans in the first place.

About what the mayor said, well, there are a lot of idiots out there that never heed warnings. Apparently 12,000 people stayed behind this time around. What for? I don't know. A lot of people don't have cars either. But I really do not see a problem with a stern warning right before a possible disaster that already happened once, especially with all the looting going on three years ago. Better to get out than loot for food and get shot up by Blackwater.

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Just heard that 17% of LA is without power....


Whack....

 

[Enron]

It happens. Infrastructure isn't too hot in places down there.

 

[Rollie]

I think the true question is why build a city below sea-level in the first place. We can argue over materials for building all day, but the fact is many people cannot afford brick houses, especially those who live in New Orleans in the first place.

Key points.

Really, the big issue in N.O. isn't that wood houses can't endure. The larger problem is that the natural marshes and flood plains which used to help knock some of the intensity out of these storms, and provided a critical buffer against storm surge, have been reduced to shockingly small fractions of their former selves. Not only is it unwise to build a city below sea level, it's also not a good idea to develop and manipulate natural storm barriers; when you do, they tend to erode, and all the silt etc., that provides a platform for roots and general growth washes out to sea.

Ultimately, if the city is to endure, then flood protection and drainage issues must be fixed. Without major engineering feats - as in, revolutionary engineering feats - in all likelihood this area will eventually waste away and become untenable (as a city). What good is a brick house if the economy is in shambles, social services are basically non existent, and your well crafted, infinitely stable abode is flooded and rank with water borne pestilence and disease?

New Orleans should really be a lesson to all about fucking with nature. We should be working with nature, not imposing our will when and wherever we damn well please...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Half of the Netherlands is under sea level....

There really is nothing wrong with building under sea level as long as it is done right.

 

[Rollie]

As long as you have proper flood buffers... Which were shaky to start with in N.O. and have now been reduced to basically nothing...

 

[Bjerknes]

Protestors are now scuffling with police at the Republican National Convention.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yea, but look at what Holland has done to protect themselves. But then again they aren't in hurricane territory.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Protestors are now scuffling with police at the Republican National Convention.

That is awesome, where did you hear that?

 

[Bjerknes]

Key points.

Really, the big issue in N.O. isn't that wood houses can't endure. The larger problem is that the natural marshes and flood plains which used to help knock some of the intensity out of these storms, and provided a critical buffer against storm surge, have been reduced to shockingly small fractions of their former selves. Not only is it unwise to build a city below sea level, it's also not a good idea to develop and manipulate natural storm barriers; when you do, they tend to erode, and all the silt etc., that provides a platform for roots and general growth washes out to sea.

Ultimately, if the city is to endure, then flood protection and drainage issues must be fixed. Without major engineering feats - as in, revolutionary engineering feats - in all likelihood this area will eventually waste away and become untenable (as a city). What good is a brick house if the economy is in shambles, social services are basically non existent, and your well crafted, infinitely stable abode is flooded and rank with water borne pestilence and disease?

New Orleans should really be a lesson to all about fucking with nature. We should be working with nature, not imposing our will when and wherever we damn well please...

Absolutely, good post. The marshes are going to be in even worse condition after this storm. And New Orleans is such a poor city that I doubt they'd be able to construct any meaningful dam system, such as the ones seen protecting ports in Holland.

So many politicians are demanding we drill offshore to solve our "energy crisis." But if we end up ruining marshes and other natural defenses to protect against tropical cyclones, we're causing ourselves even more problems. I know for a fact that there are at least some reserves hiding beneath the surface of those marshlands.

There's always a give and a take.

 

[Bjerknes]

That is awesome, where did you hear that?

MSNBC, different groups are there causing trouble. One group is named "The Republican NC Welcome Committee."

 

[Bjerknes]

Just like three years ago, some levees are going to break after the storm has passed. It's not as bad as last time, but at least one levee is threatened today, which protects 200 homes.

And the bad thing is, many people from this housing development didn't evacuate.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Sweet, I hope all the Republicans there get tasered.

 

[Seven]

Half of the Netherlands is under sea level....

There really is nothing wrong with building under sea level as long as it is done right.

But there are problems in Holland all the time. Sure, they aren't that big, but why the hassle? I mean, they did a good job, no doubt about it, but why bother if it isn't strictly necessary?

The whole situation in New Orleans stinks. It's one of America's forgotten places. It's like Bari in Italy I guess .

 

[Enron]

Just like three years ago, some levees are going to break after the storm has passed. It's not as bad as last time, but at least one levee is threatened today, which protects 200 homes.

And the bad thing is, many people from this housing development didn't evacuate.

It's only the poor.

 

[Seven]

It's only the poor.

Now that's what you get if you think socialism's the enemy. I'm considered a liberal in Belgium and I am by no means socialist, but I do believe you need socialism in your political system to have some balance. I mean, it's not going to be me, but someone has to think about the poor motherfuckers.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's only the poor.

Is it?

Still, that doesn't look good.

By the way, this new storm Ike might plow through Florida and then who knows, perhaps another New Orleans hit?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Now that's what you get if you think socialism's the enemy. I'm considered a liberal in Belgium and I am by no means socialist, but I do believe you need socialism in your political system to have some balance. I mean, it's not going to be me, but someone has to think about the poor motherfuckers.

That's why I'm voting for McCain, he stashes poor people in his 8 houses......or is it 10. If he can't remember, how am I?

 

[swag]

So who's up for renaming this "The Official Andy's Meteorology Fetish Thread"

 

[Bjerknes]

Me.