The Official Weather Thread: Andy's Haven (3 Viewers)

[flieeeekke]

dont know, i stopped reading after you mentioned holywood.

 

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[V]

A house my old man built would survive Katrina and Gustav in a row. Houses made out of wood...pft. I'll never get it.

 

[Bjerknes]

Let's face it, Hollywood made it impossible for you guys to react rationally to things like these. I mean, just look at the mayor's statement. What kind of bullshit is that? There's no need to scare everyone like that. Say you want them out of the town because something bad might happen. All this talk of the storm of the century is insane. You guys have a panic problem. Evacuating everyone is obviously a good step, but don't be so dramatic, you might scare people.

Why people should go to prison if they want to remain in their own houses is beyond me. Isn't that what you guys dislike so much about communism?

Hollywood? Have they even made a Katrina movie yet?

But I guess watching Deep Impact day after day isn't really healthy.

Don't bother. Americans seem to think wood is just fine.

Wood is one of the most prevalent natural resources in the world. As long as the houses aren't built in a hurricane zone, they're fine.

 

[JCK]

I can roughly say that 85% of the houses in Sweden are made of wood, I haven't heard of any problems yet.

 

[Bjerknes]

they're REbuilding houses with wood over there. That's whats fucked.

No, that's not what's fucked. In hurricanes, the most devastating facet of the storm 75% of the time is NOT the wind. Unless you have a Category 4 or 5 storm, the wind isn't the most deadly thing. Rather, storm surge and copious amounts of rain are what does the killing.

In natural disasters, the deadliest hazard is flooding as it's caused by far the most deaths.

 

[Bjerknes]

I can roughly say that 85% of the houses in Sweden are made of wood, I haven't heard of any problems yet.

The structural support of most houses consist of wood, too.

What the fuck do those guys suggest we build houses out of then? Reinforced steel?

 

[V]

Brick and concrete is the way to go.

 

[Bjerknes]

What's the frame for the brick made out of, Vlatko?

 

[V]

What's the frame for the brick made out of, Vlatko?

Just the frame is one thing, but making entire houses out of wood and plaster...especially in a hurricane zone is simply ludicrous.

 

[Bjerknes]

Just the frame is one thing, but making entire houses out of wood and plaster...especially in a hurricane zone is simply ludicrous.

Never said differently, but if you recall correctly, most of the damage was created by the flooding from Katrina.

Brick houses won't defend against a flood.

So again, I don't really know why you guys are harping on the wood issue. The idea of building a city under sea-level is more of the issue here.

 

[V]

Never said differently, but if you recall correctly, most of the damage was created by the flooding from Katrina.

Brick houses won't defend against a flood.

So again, I don't really know why you guys are harping on the wood issue. The idea of building a city under sea-level is more of the issue here.

Point is, the house would still be standing. And it's easier to renovate than to build again. Actually, not easier but cheaper.

 

[Bjerknes]

With water damage to the entire house, you'd probably have to rebuild anyway.

 

[petersmit]

a house costs 400 000 euro's here in volendam.. if we had a gustav or something like that here.. i wouldn't mind living in a wooden house... much cheaper to rebuilt..

i don't want to spend half a million every time another hurricane shows up..

how much do those wooden houses cost over there?

 

[V]

With water damage to the entire house, you'd probably have to rebuild anyway.

Not really. It would need work but starting from scratch, nope.

 

[Bjerknes]

how much do those wooden houses cost over there?

Much less than brick ones. Some people can't afford brick.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, two more cyclones have formed in the Atlantic, one after the other, Hanna and Ike. The former will strengthen and smash into Georgia probably, while the latter it's still up in the air.

There's the potential that three hurricanes could hit the United States within a week of each other, which has never happened before.

http://www.noaawatch.gov/2008/hanna.php

 

[Seven]

Hollywood? Have they even made a Katrina movie yet?

But I guess watching Deep Impact day after day isn't really healthy.

Wood is one of the most prevalent natural resources in the world. As long as the houses aren't built in a hurricane zone, they're fine.

If you look at the mayor you see that he's being very agitated and dramatic. Now it is okay for him to behave that way, as long as he doesn't do it whilst making a statement. I agree with the evacuation, but I think it's very dangerous to scare people like that.

Why we are still talking about wood? Well... most houses in ancient Rome were made of wood. Some structures on the other hand were made in brick. None of the wooden structures still stand today. Now I'm not saying everything should last 2000 years, but I want my house to hold for at least a couple of decades.

And then there's also the thing about fire and people breaking in and stuff.. Granted, it's not just the fact that it's made of wood, but still..

I can roughly say that 85% of the houses in Sweden are made of wood, I haven't heard of any problems yet.

I have no problem with houses made of wood in certain areas. But building them in New Orleans isn't all that wise.

No, that's not what's fucked. In hurricanes, the most devastating facet of the storm 75% of the time is NOT the wind. Unless you have a Category 4 or 5 storm, the wind isn't the most deadly thing. Rather, storm surge and copious amounts of rain are what does the killing.

In natural disasters, the deadliest hazard is flooding as it's caused by far the most deaths.

But part of your house still stands afterwards if it is made in brick. I mean, we're obviously not talking about leaving people in their houses during a storm. We're talking about how much of a city is destroyed.

 

[Bjerknes]

If you look at the mayor you see that he's being very agitated and dramatic. Now it is okay for him to behave that way, as long as he doesn't do it whilst making a statement. I agree with the evacuation, but I think it's very dangerous to scare people like that.

I don't see the problem. Last time people didn't take the threat seriously, both civilians and the government were not prepared, so they made sure people took the threat seriously this time. And it seems to have paid off to some extent.

Either way, there will always be something to criticize.

Why we are still talking about wood? Well... most houses in ancient Rome were made of wood. Some structures on the other hand were made in brick. None of the wooden structures still stand today. Now I'm not saying everything should last 2000 years, but I want my house to hold for at least a couple of decades.

And then there's also the thing about fire and people breaking in and stuff.. Granted, it's not just the fact that it's made of wood, but still..

Right now I'm living in a house made probably around 1930. It's not the best place to live because they're owned by the apartment company, but it's still standing and it's made out of wood..

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Man it's rainin' like Jesus down here in LA, my cats is floatin' away with my turkey necks!

Save me, tooth brusher!

 

[Seven]

I don't see the problem. Last time people didn't take the threat seriously, both civilians and the government were not prepared, so they made sure people took the threat seriously this time. And it seems to have paid off to some extent.

Either way, there will always be something to criticize.



Right now I'm living in a house made probably around 1930. It's not the best place to live because they're owned by the apartment company, but it's still standing and it's made out of wood..

But come on, which idiot wouldn't take it seriously this time around? I mean, if anything, his intention should have been to reassure people. He should have said "we have a plan", rather than saying "get out of this town because the storm of the century is coming and we're all going to die if we don't flee right this minute.". And I really don't get why people who want to stay should be arrested. People should be allowed to stay if they wanted to.

Come on, Andy, you're evading the point. If you're going to make houses like that in New Orleans you should have the decency to tell people they risk losing it quite fast. It's just not a good solution. They're not adapted to the environment.