the Official Knee-Jerk reaction thread (9 Viewers)
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There is of course soms substance to the claim that new players take time to settle into a squad, especially when the system in place is new to the WHOLE squad...And also injuries to key players has made matters worse, but still...with the players available to Ciro, he has failed horribly to instill any apparent sense of spirit or pride in merely wearing the bianconeri jersey. and THAT is one of the most important jobs for a manager. It is also the ONE thing I assumed Ciro would impress onto, into, our team. Obviously his tactical inexperience was always going to prove risky, though he has surpassed my own concerns, tenfold, by insane selection policies which make it HARDER for us to win game, or even draw.
I look at the management at Gillingham. My british team...admittedly far less glamourous than Juve, but still...a good place for comparison. After years of depression and erosion, they brought in a manager experienced and succesful from the lower leagues in england. At first, we went down, too much dead wood, but then we came straight back up, as Stimson (the manager) was able to rip away the dead wood, and bring in players who really wanted to play for the club, for him, and for each other...Its always pleasing as a supporter to sense that the players respect and believe in their manager, at whatever level. He transfers his will and determination to the players, and if he doesn't see it, he doesn't blame the referee. he blames the players, and himself if he sees fit. We don't see this at Juve...instead...a series of comments by players expressing concern that our coach needs to coach better. These comments are from star players, not those on the fringes of the first team...
In a period of transition, which we are most definitely traveling through presently, with the Old getting older, the youth coming through and an influx of talented 20 somethings, a manager is needed who first and foremost, can spur the troops into action, make them proud and spirited to be part of the club. he also must be capable of accepting the lunacy of playing an unfit lightweight out of position in a crunch game for us (DP v bordeaux).
We have technically a better squad than everyone bar Inter. Who have a stronger squad and also a far more talented manager, and despite his typically portuguese arrogance, he does demand and receive respect from his players. I saw it at chelsea, and i see it at Inter. people want to play for him.
Who wants to play for Ciro????
Its feeling exactly as it did towards the end of last season when Ranieri was dead in the water...and my thoughts of what must be done are the same.
Gasperini would be perfect. Hiddink obviously the ideal candidate, and he does like a challenge, where he sees potential, but players failing to show what they are truly capable of...it might get him! worth a roll of the dice, if not, lets grab Gasperini, and Criscito can come with him. they can keep Palladino though.
I look at the management at Gillingham. My british team...admittedly far less glamourous than Juve, but still...a good place for comparison. After years of depression and erosion, they brought in a manager experienced and succesful from the lower leagues in england. At first, we went down, too much dead wood, but then we came straight back up, as Stimson (the manager) was able to rip away the dead wood, and bring in players who really wanted to play for the club, for him, and for each other...Its always pleasing as a supporter to sense that the players respect and believe in their manager, at whatever level. He transfers his will and determination to the players, and if he doesn't see it, he doesn't blame the referee. he blames the players, and himself if he sees fit. We don't see this at Juve...instead...a series of comments by players expressing concern that our coach needs to coach better. These comments are from star players, not those on the fringes of the first team...
In a period of transition, which we are most definitely traveling through presently, with the Old getting older, the youth coming through and an influx of talented 20 somethings, a manager is needed who first and foremost, can spur the troops into action, make them proud and spirited to be part of the club. he also must be capable of accepting the lunacy of playing an unfit lightweight out of position in a crunch game for us (DP v bordeaux).
We have technically a better squad than everyone bar Inter. Who have a stronger squad and also a far more talented manager, and despite his typically portuguese arrogance, he does demand and receive respect from his players. I saw it at chelsea, and i see it at Inter. people want to play for him.
Who wants to play for Ciro????
Its feeling exactly as it did towards the end of last season when Ranieri was dead in the water...and my thoughts of what must be done are the same.
Gasperini would be perfect. Hiddink obviously the ideal candidate, and he does like a challenge, where he sees potential, but players failing to show what they are truly capable of...it might get him! worth a roll of the dice, if not, lets grab Gasperini, and Criscito can come with him. they can keep Palladino though.
Should have refused it? What? If the club offers YOU a million Euros and a job, would you refuse it?
Grow up already.
Grow up already.
If a student just finishes a law degree and is offered to be the President he would be silly, just downright stupid, to accept the role whatever he was going to be paid.
Get mature and realistic already.
Really flawed logic. If Ciro would not have accepted the job, that would mean he doesn't have faith in his own capability, which would be a sign of weakness. The fastest path towards stardom is going big, and if his Juve would be a success, he'd bypass years of a secondary role and a lower salary. If he believes in himself, why would he want to do that?
But blasting Ferrara over THIS is ridiculously silly, yet not unlike the shortsighted comments that usually plague the forum.
Criticize the guy for his mistakes as manager, not because he was given the ball to run with it.
But blasting Ferrara over THIS is ridiculously silly, yet not unlike the shortsighted comments that usually plague the forum.
Criticize the guy for his mistakes as manager, not because he was given the ball to run with it.
That's the risk that Ciro takes, and it seems to have been a deadly risk for his career. One cannot get into the cockpit of a fighter jet and convince himself "I can fly this" just because he believes in himself, one has to be intelligent about what they are doing.
And if you refuse a job it doesn't mean it would go public and ruin your reputation. Even so, it shows a sign of maturity to the market.
You're proposing that one takes a career path that has little to no chance of success but would offer instant, immediate, quick rewards if, and that's one massive if, successful and you're calling others short sighted?
And if you refuse a job it doesn't mean it would go public and ruin your reputation. Even so, it shows a sign of maturity to the market.
You're proposing that one takes a career path that has little to no chance of success but would offer instant, immediate, quick rewards if, and that's one massive if, successful and you're calling others short sighted?
You're assuming that his career would be destroyed if he was removed from his position, which is not necessarily the case. And I doubt that the board would fire him -- most likely he would just resign, similar (in manner, not accomplishments) to Deschamps.
Ferrara must have saw something that made him think he could do the job after the couple matches in charge last season. Thus far, he's had a rough go of it, but the last thing he should do is listen to people who think he shouldn't have accepted the position in the first place. After all, you have to take risks to be successful -- that's how you make money in business.
Ferrara must have saw something that made him think he could do the job after the couple matches in charge last season. Thus far, he's had a rough go of it, but the last thing he should do is listen to people who think he shouldn't have accepted the position in the first place. After all, you have to take risks to be successful -- that's how you make money in business.
