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I see our capacity and will to spend as a different issue, from the choice of the coach!
But the choice of when, to whom and how much to spend on some player, both now and in the future are totally relevant!
Many managers would demand a word on that and we have reasons to deny,
that right, enough reasons to sacrifice the services of a proper coach.
I have a few ideas about those reasons, but the thing that i am certain of, is that there are such reason and the do play an important role in our high decision making! Ciro, would not only be a tool now, but also in the future.
And besides that, the need someone to step up and claim responsibility, if those decision fail.
Most def our board values men like Secco, more than any coach we might get.
In order to protect men like Secco, his incompetence and inefficiency, someone else has to take the blame, for the choices made and their end result...
Thats exactly why we need a tool!
The salary of the staff is supposed to be a different budget and IMO, absolutely not at comparable with the amount we spent on Melo!
If we had competent managers on the transfer department, we wouldnt even have to overpay that much, or make up for those additional sales, with the sales of Almiton Palla, Zala, Tiaga etc...
The faulty strategical decisions we made so far already cost us more money than Mourinho's salary! Even from this perspective, our entire managing was faulty!
As for Spaletti, Lippi and co, IMO, we never really intended to bring such a coach, because imo the intentions of our board were very clear from the beginning, were other ppl found excuses, i found reasoning behind those moves.
All those excuses are shot down one by one, during the years, our problem wasnt financial, neither prestige, competitiveness or any other invented excuse,
it has to do with the power and influence of our helm.
This has been the only constant in all situation we have been so far and every coaching choice we made abides to this.
Thats why i was certain that we are not going to replace CR with a proper choice and opposed to CR's naming.
The intention was IMO evident and all the rest just happened for internal consuming. We never really intended to bring a proper choice, because that wouldnt serve their interests. And their interests are above our needs.
Thats a great issue and all the teams suffer from that more or less.
Even if we upgrade to a better coach, we will suffer a bit from the transition.
There are many many reasons for that and the only moment it cant be noticed, is what we hit the bottom (just like it happened with CR)
One of the reasons we are underperforming is the lack of aspiring leaders,
our sergeant on the field (DP), Captain on the bench (Ferrara) and General from the stands (Gigli, Blanc) were far from aspiring.
We need guidance, as we are trying to find our new self, the effects of calciopoli are fading away, the champions of the old guard are no longer part of our team, our history and prestige havent recovered yet.
Thats exactly the kind of damage were aiming for when they destroyed us
and thats exactly why i claimed that we wont win nothing in the next decade if that wont change.
Unfortunately, all goes as planned from our enemies...
Well technically, we were second to Milan alone in the tables and now, that Milan is ahead of us, its because of our current forms and the least difference of quality. However we are Juventus and we were supposed to do better.
But in order to do better, we need to be competitive at every line, both on the field and off. In many ways, there are left a lot to be desired and for that reason, we were meant to under-perform, let alone be optimal.
Buying a group of players wont make us the TEAM, we used to be...
There were many reasons we used to be that team and they are absent today...
For us the fans maybe, but our board has a different opinion, someone who can be easily manipulated would be a better fit.
Someone young and inexperienced, (Conte, Zenga) bound to make mistakes and become the easy scapegoat in the end is what they need and what we will get... Maybe we can find a compromise between that and someone who may actually offer smth more though.
But again, thats exactly what i was waiting us to find this summer, when we had the PERFECT opportunity to do so, but we didnt even try, what makes you think that things have changed now?
But the choice of when, to whom and how much to spend on some player, both now and in the future are totally relevant!
Many managers would demand a word on that and we have reasons to deny,
that right, enough reasons to sacrifice the services of a proper coach.
I have a few ideas about those reasons, but the thing that i am certain of, is that there are such reason and the do play an important role in our high decision making! Ciro, would not only be a tool now, but also in the future.
And besides that, the need someone to step up and claim responsibility, if those decision fail.
Most def our board values men like Secco, more than any coach we might get.
In order to protect men like Secco, his incompetence and inefficiency, someone else has to take the blame, for the choices made and their end result...
Thats exactly why we need a tool!
The salary of the staff is supposed to be a different budget and IMO, absolutely not at comparable with the amount we spent on Melo!
If we had competent managers on the transfer department, we wouldnt even have to overpay that much, or make up for those additional sales, with the sales of Almiton Palla, Zala, Tiaga etc...
The faulty strategical decisions we made so far already cost us more money than Mourinho's salary! Even from this perspective, our entire managing was faulty!
As for Spaletti, Lippi and co, IMO, we never really intended to bring such a coach, because imo the intentions of our board were very clear from the beginning, were other ppl found excuses, i found reasoning behind those moves.
All those excuses are shot down one by one, during the years, our problem wasnt financial, neither prestige, competitiveness or any other invented excuse,
it has to do with the power and influence of our helm.
This has been the only constant in all situation we have been so far and every coaching choice we made abides to this.
Thats why i was certain that we are not going to replace CR with a proper choice and opposed to CR's naming.
The intention was IMO evident and all the rest just happened for internal consuming. We never really intended to bring a proper choice, because that wouldnt serve their interests. And their interests are above our needs.
Thats a great issue and all the teams suffer from that more or less.
Even if we upgrade to a better coach, we will suffer a bit from the transition.
There are many many reasons for that and the only moment it cant be noticed, is what we hit the bottom (just like it happened with CR)
One of the reasons we are underperforming is the lack of aspiring leaders,
our sergeant on the field (DP), Captain on the bench (Ferrara) and General from the stands (Gigli, Blanc) were far from aspiring.
We need guidance, as we are trying to find our new self, the effects of calciopoli are fading away, the champions of the old guard are no longer part of our team, our history and prestige havent recovered yet.
Thats exactly the kind of damage were aiming for when they destroyed us
and thats exactly why i claimed that we wont win nothing in the next decade if that wont change.
Unfortunately, all goes as planned from our enemies...
Well technically, we were second to Milan alone in the tables and now, that Milan is ahead of us, its because of our current forms and the least difference of quality. However we are Juventus and we were supposed to do better.
But in order to do better, we need to be competitive at every line, both on the field and off. In many ways, there are left a lot to be desired and for that reason, we were meant to under-perform, let alone be optimal.
Buying a group of players wont make us the TEAM, we used to be...
There were many reasons we used to be that team and they are absent today...
For us the fans maybe, but our board has a different opinion, someone who can be easily manipulated would be a better fit.
Someone young and inexperienced, (Conte, Zenga) bound to make mistakes and become the easy scapegoat in the end is what they need and what we will get... Maybe we can find a compromise between that and someone who may actually offer smth more though.
But again, thats exactly what i was waiting us to find this summer, when we had the PERFECT opportunity to do so, but we didnt even try, what makes you think that things have changed now?
Cron, you are the only fellow forum member who posts as consistently lengthily as myself. And you ALWAYS have something to say more than 'lets rape these bitches!' or 'cannavaro can suck my cock, the fuck my mother!!!'...and for that, I for one, show my appreciation. You also have a decent vision of the game, and especially, of our club, taking into account all of its facets.
Its odd for me to know so much of, and be aware of the power of, a Board, and even a transfer guru, because whilst supporting Juve for many years, I have grown up mainly with british football, in which the Board of directors are rarely involved in the football news, unless a takeover is planned, or a manager's position is in jeapordy. Its a much RARER thing to see Owners and Directors and Transfer Specialists in the news. Abramaovic...Hicks... AL -fayed...Magnussen ( the egg headed hammers owner)...spring to mind, but at ALL of these clubs, the major footballing powers are assumed to be, and seem to be, in the hands of the Manager. I know so much more about the top flight owners of serie A clubs than I do of their english counterparts. Yet my knowledge of english football, up until the last year, when I have been marooned in Melbourne, is high quality...
You don't see Owners in England of Big CLubs, or even little clubs in the premiership, taking a risk on a manager with NO practical experience...The nearest I can think off, in recent times, was Paul Ince, at Blackburn...but even the always tense Incey, had some managerial preparation in the lower leagues. And we are talking here of Blackburn taking a risk on him, not a club I could compare with Juve, in terms of prestige, success, history, quality. Fucking Blackburn...
That is my convoluted method of showing agreement at your mention of the Problems with The Board. WHich is a theme you have been banging on about since I joined these forums...I detracted from my criticism of them when they did so encouragingly in the transfer market over the summer. I also, was not AGAINST rolling the Ciro dice. I guess romanticism and sentimentality got the better of me...
Your mention of LEADERS is astute. I tried to hit on it with a thread citing a worrying lack of spirit, a while back, in this forum. But failed to hit the bastard between the eyes...
Cannavaro has leadership qualities in terms of experience as a defender. That can help the defence...without doubt.
Other than him, CHiellini has the passion, but not the maturity. He is a big kid. Not yet a man...
And that leaves only Buffon.
He should be made captain, especially if DP isnt going to be playing very often.
Even so...fuck it...Ciro could roll one last all or nothing dice, and give the captains armband to Iaquinta...or Melo...or Marchisio...Melo has been in poor form, so why not weigh in extra pressure and make him perform, FOR THE TEAM, as an EXAMPLE TO THE TEAM.
Every team needs a leader...The more the better. A team like CHelsea, has Terry, Essien, Lampard, even Drogba...who can seriously lead the team.
United have Rooney, Neville, Scholes...Giggs...some old, but ALL capable of demanding fire and brimstone from their colleagues.
who do we have?
Nedved, was the catalyst. He refused to GIVE IN...and it showed more so than in DP.
Someone has to try to dig deep into themselves and find the Fury.
Without it, with Ciro at the helm, we are doomed.
That is our ONLY hope.
Its odd for me to know so much of, and be aware of the power of, a Board, and even a transfer guru, because whilst supporting Juve for many years, I have grown up mainly with british football, in which the Board of directors are rarely involved in the football news, unless a takeover is planned, or a manager's position is in jeapordy. Its a much RARER thing to see Owners and Directors and Transfer Specialists in the news. Abramaovic...Hicks... AL -fayed...Magnussen ( the egg headed hammers owner)...spring to mind, but at ALL of these clubs, the major footballing powers are assumed to be, and seem to be, in the hands of the Manager. I know so much more about the top flight owners of serie A clubs than I do of their english counterparts. Yet my knowledge of english football, up until the last year, when I have been marooned in Melbourne, is high quality...
You don't see Owners in England of Big CLubs, or even little clubs in the premiership, taking a risk on a manager with NO practical experience...The nearest I can think off, in recent times, was Paul Ince, at Blackburn...but even the always tense Incey, had some managerial preparation in the lower leagues. And we are talking here of Blackburn taking a risk on him, not a club I could compare with Juve, in terms of prestige, success, history, quality. Fucking Blackburn...
That is my convoluted method of showing agreement at your mention of the Problems with The Board. WHich is a theme you have been banging on about since I joined these forums...I detracted from my criticism of them when they did so encouragingly in the transfer market over the summer. I also, was not AGAINST rolling the Ciro dice. I guess romanticism and sentimentality got the better of me...
Your mention of LEADERS is astute. I tried to hit on it with a thread citing a worrying lack of spirit, a while back, in this forum. But failed to hit the bastard between the eyes...
Cannavaro has leadership qualities in terms of experience as a defender. That can help the defence...without doubt.
Other than him, CHiellini has the passion, but not the maturity. He is a big kid. Not yet a man...
And that leaves only Buffon.
He should be made captain, especially if DP isnt going to be playing very often.
Even so...fuck it...Ciro could roll one last all or nothing dice, and give the captains armband to Iaquinta...or Melo...or Marchisio...Melo has been in poor form, so why not weigh in extra pressure and make him perform, FOR THE TEAM, as an EXAMPLE TO THE TEAM.
Every team needs a leader...The more the better. A team like CHelsea, has Terry, Essien, Lampard, even Drogba...who can seriously lead the team.
United have Rooney, Neville, Scholes...Giggs...some old, but ALL capable of demanding fire and brimstone from their colleagues.
who do we have?
Nedved, was the catalyst. He refused to GIVE IN...and it showed more so than in DP.
Someone has to try to dig deep into themselves and find the Fury.
Without it, with Ciro at the helm, we are doomed.
That is our ONLY hope.
Everything.
If just the coach is the problem, the players would have still done their best and gave us a proper game. If just the players are the problem, the coach would simply do his best to correct the situation, rotate players, and so on. If just the board was the problem, the team would still perform well, since fuck cares about Blanc. If 'Calciopoli' (aka shit refs) was the only problem, we would still manage to get the ball in the net more times than the other side.
All of those on their own would hardly be very effective on making our life worse. But it's a good case of the whole being worth more than the sum of its parts. The bad form the players are in isn't helped much by the fact that Ferrara is an inexperienced coach. And the recent luck we had at our matches with refs and opponents alike all lower our morale and chance to recover even further.
But it is a tricky situation we are in. First of all, despite what most of you might think, we CAN'T just kick Ferrara out yet. What assurance is there that a new coach would make the situation better? Remember that nearly of you thought Ferrara was a good idea back when Ranieri was in charge. (and if you deny this, you are a little lying prick) Changing coaches so often would just unsettle the team further. Also Ferrara has yet to get his moment of Judgment. (Inter, Bayern, Coppa Italia)
Secondly, the players are in a bad form, that is a fact. But while 50% of their performance is dependent on a coach, (this is no helped by the Ferrara's inexperience) the other 50% needs to come from their own motivation. but tbh, I see most of the team not capable to motivate itself. Even when the coach is shit, a winning team stays a winning team. It might still be able to score goal and do what is expected, even if it loses in the end. Where is the talent you once had at Werder Bremen Diego?
But in the end, the only solution to this problem is motivation. A change of coach will not solve this. Having the right line-up will not solve this. Simply put, the management needs to tell Ferrara to do bloody something about it. Ferrara needs to tell the players to wake the fuck up and organize a cunning plan. And the players themselves need to wake the fuck up. If we are to regain our good form, all the above needs to happen. Fortunately we seen the first happen, let's just hope that both the Coach and the players work on the results we expect to see from a team like Juventus.
If just the coach is the problem, the players would have still done their best and gave us a proper game. If just the players are the problem, the coach would simply do his best to correct the situation, rotate players, and so on. If just the board was the problem, the team would still perform well, since fuck cares about Blanc. If 'Calciopoli' (aka shit refs) was the only problem, we would still manage to get the ball in the net more times than the other side.
All of those on their own would hardly be very effective on making our life worse. But it's a good case of the whole being worth more than the sum of its parts. The bad form the players are in isn't helped much by the fact that Ferrara is an inexperienced coach. And the recent luck we had at our matches with refs and opponents alike all lower our morale and chance to recover even further.
But it is a tricky situation we are in. First of all, despite what most of you might think, we CAN'T just kick Ferrara out yet. What assurance is there that a new coach would make the situation better? Remember that nearly of you thought Ferrara was a good idea back when Ranieri was in charge. (and if you deny this, you are a little lying prick) Changing coaches so often would just unsettle the team further. Also Ferrara has yet to get his moment of Judgment. (Inter, Bayern, Coppa Italia)
Secondly, the players are in a bad form, that is a fact. But while 50% of their performance is dependent on a coach, (this is no helped by the Ferrara's inexperience) the other 50% needs to come from their own motivation. but tbh, I see most of the team not capable to motivate itself. Even when the coach is shit, a winning team stays a winning team. It might still be able to score goal and do what is expected, even if it loses in the end. Where is the talent you once had at Werder Bremen Diego?
But in the end, the only solution to this problem is motivation. A change of coach will not solve this. Having the right line-up will not solve this. Simply put, the management needs to tell Ferrara to do bloody something about it. Ferrara needs to tell the players to wake the fuck up and organize a cunning plan. And the players themselves need to wake the fuck up. If we are to regain our good form, all the above needs to happen. Fortunately we seen the first happen, let's just hope that both the Coach and the players work on the results we expect to see from a team like Juventus.
Board and Ferrara of course.. They seem didn't have a plan for our team. Bring Melo to our team because he is a better player than D' Agostino but not what we need most show it. Melo is just like Momo, who is a beast in midfield but doesn't have a vision or passing like C. Zanetti.. And we don't need two monster in our midfield but without a player can dictate a tempo.. I wish we bought D'Agostino back then
