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[KB824]

There is no point in debating with people who compare Crosby to Steve Yzerman. I mean jesus, you don't see me going around saying Lidstrom is better than Bobby, or Zetterberg is better than freakin' Francis when the guy hasn't even played half of his career yet.

And I don't care to talk to people about the sport if they bring up such garbage.

So then don't do the same about Crosby then, Andy. He hasn't even played 1/3rd of his career yet.

Its not the fact that I threw Steve Yzerman up there, its the fact that you are a Detroit Red Wings fan, and that it would touch a nerve.

 

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[KB824]

I'm 100% correct here. Take your Pens goggles off, Gary.

And what exactly are you correct about Andy??

What point of mine were you trying to debunk??

Do you even know what you are 100% correct about?? That Yzerman has had a better career than Sidney Crosby?? Well, I sure hope so, considering that Crosby's only been playing for 4 season

 

[Enron]

I'm 100% correct here. Take your Pens goggles off, Gary.

Nah, you're like 90% wrong Ace. It's a bit premature to say Crosby will be a hall of famer or the best ever, but at the same time predicting the opposite is equally silly.

 

[KB824]

Nah, you're like 90% wrong Ace. It's a bit premature to say Crosby will be a hall of famer or the best ever, but at the same time predicting the opposite is equally silly.

I'm not the one who said that Crosby was going to be a hall of famer. But all he does is rag on Crosby for his shortcomings in the playoffs, and when I took Yzerman's first 50 games in the playoffs and compared them, he had a heart attack

 

[Bjerknes]

So then don't do the same about Crosby then, Andy. He hasn't even played 1/3rd of his career yet.

Its not the fact that I threw Steve Yzerman up there, its the fact that you are a Detroit Red Wings fan, and that it would touch a nerve.

Look, you stated your facts about Crosby's first few years in the NHL, all before the age of 23. You will believe those facts mean that the guy is already one of the greatest players ever, but I will not. You will believe Sid the kid is a great leader because he's 22 and has already been named captain of the Penguins, but I will not.

Then, once you change your name from Gary Bettman to Sergio Lenza, you'll see that Crosby is not a great captain because he whines and does not set a great example on the ice for the other players.

Crosby being the captain is nothing but an NHL/media stunt ploy, and you should realize it, because he is not a leader at that age.

But instead, we have clowns comparing him to Yzerman and Gretzky, even when the guy hasn't even turned 30 yet! 30 !!

And you guys wonder why I hate this player.

You do a great job of making me hate him even more.

 

[Bjerknes]

Nah, you're like 90% wrong Ace. It's a bit premature to say Crosby will be a hall of famer or the best ever, but at the same time predicting the opposite is equally silly.

Nope.

I'm not debating Crosby isn't a great player. All I'm saying is that he is overrated by comparison, and he is NOT a great leader, which is the truth.

 

[Bjerknes]

But I can't change the minds of Crosby fans. They are already hysterical about "their" achievements, so good for them.

I shouldn't waste my time talking to brainwashed people.

 

[Bjerknes]

Now, if you want to look at a class act leader who makes a difference, look at the coach of the Penguins. That guy is top notch and I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Babs in a few years.

He's no whiny little faggot, that guy, unlike one of his players.

 

[Bjerknes]

Crosby doesn't add anything defensively to the game, but I don't think fans who have never played the sport will realize it. That's why I would never trade Hank or Pavel for Crosby.

And yes, that is an attack against people here.

You betcha.

 

[Bjerknes]

And yes, I am an asshole. No need to point it out again.

 

[Enron]

Nope.

I'm not debating Crosby isn't a great player. All I'm saying is that he is overrated by comparison, and he is NOT a great leader, which is the truth.

But I can't change the minds of Crosby fans. They are already hysterical about "their" achievements, so good for them.

I shouldn't waste my time talking to brainwashed people.

Now, if you want to look at a class act leader who makes a difference, look at the coach of the Penguins. That guy is top notch and I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Babs in a few years.

He's no whiny little faggot, that guy, unlike one of his players.

Crosby doesn't add anything defensively to the game, but I don't think fans who have never played the sport will realize it. That's why I would never trade Hank or Pavel for Crosby.

And yes, that is an attack against people here.

You betcha.

And yes, I am an asshole. No need to point it out again.

Wow look at the cry baby. I'm not so sure it's Crosby who's the whiney faggot.

Anyways, I've said that I'd rather Mario had made Gonchar or Scuderi Captain until Crosby had matured enough to wear the C. But I guess that makes me "brain washed".

One thing I noticed during the last series of the play offs (and the course of the play offs in general), was that Crosby (and Malkin too) started to play more defense and not worrying so much about making individual plays. I tend to credit that to Bylsma, who I think is the perfect guy to turn those two into "two-way" hockey players. That's basically the reason we won the Cup, their less individualized play allowed other players like Talbot to step up.

But whatever, I'm brainwashed because I like Crosby and I've never played ice hockey.

 

[Bjerknes]

Crosby and Malkin didn't add much defensively. I believe the former ended up with a negative +/-.

But hey, he's better than Yzerman and Gordie combined, what do I know.

 

[Bjerknes]

Look up the number of takeaways Crosby had and compare it to others.

 

[Enron]

Crosby and Malkin didn't add much defensively. I believe the former ended up with a negative +/-.

But hey, he's better than Yzerman and Gordie combined, what do I know.

Well I noticed it. You were probably paying attention to your team.

And quit overreacting priss-pants. The world isn't going to end because people like Sidney Crosby.

 

[Enron]

Look up the number of takeaways Crosby had and compare it to others.

I'm sure he doesn't have same numbers as Zetterburg or Datsoup. All I'm saying is that to me it looked like he got better defensively as the playoffs, especially the finals, wore on.

Don't take it as written in stone. Remember I've never even played on ice.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well I noticed it. You were probably paying attention to your team.

And quit overreacting priss-pants. The world isn't going to end because people like Sidney Crosby.

Oh give me a break. Are you seriously saying Malkin and Crosby played well defensively during the finals? The Bitch didn't even have a positive +/- during the finals. The guy had a +9 throughout the playoffs, but Malkin had only a +3 while Hank had +13 and Cleary had a +17. Crosby and Malkin had the most points during the playoffs, 31 and 36 points respectively, which is great, but having only a +3 and a +9 between them DOES NOT constitute good defensive play. That's what the stats tell us.

By watching them play, one could easily see they were not adding much defensively. How many times did Crosby pull a takeaway in his own zone or in center ice? I didn't see it. Hank did a great job of shutting him down and outplaying him, but we probably should have attacked that line more than we did.

Take your "conspiracy theories" about Crosby and hit the road, Jack.

 

[Mark]

ok so what's going on here?

 

[Bjerknes]

A bunch of Gary Bettmans signed up for the forum, that's what.

 

[Enron]

Oh give me a break. Are you seriously saying Malkin and Crosby played well defensively during the finals? The Bitch didn't even have a positive +/- during the finals. The guy had a +9 throughout the playoffs, but Malkin had only a +3 while Hank had +13 and Cleary had a +17. Crosby and Malkin had the most points during the playoffs, 31 and 36 points respectively, which is great, but having only a +3 and a +9 between them DOES NOT constitute good defensive play. That's what the stats tell us.

By watching them play, one could easily see they were not adding much defensively. How many times did Crosby pull a takeaway in his own zone or in center ice? I didn't see it. Hank did a great job of shutting him down and outplaying him, but we probably should have attacked that line more than we did.

Take your "conspiracy theories" about Crosby and hit the road, Jack.

I said I thought they got better. If they were awesome then they would have had Zetterburg numbers, duh.

If you want to mock me or whatever to make your dick hard that's your business. You're just upset that your little Dead Wings don't get any press outside of Detroit. So you come here and whine about it like what was it? Oh yeah I think you said a "whiney little faggot". Fitting name.

File a grievance with the league if you're that upset about it.

 

[Mark]

Crosby? Great player, not a great captain yet. Not sure if he will be but I don't care. If he continues winning cups that's all that counts.

Mark Messier was one hell of a captain if not the best.