Cronios, why do you go on and on calling the Amauri transfer a waste when he has been so pivitol! You say it cancels out Iaquinta's transfer but look at what has taken place man, So regardless of what you say, the board were ultimately correct. Regardless of whether it was luck or planned strategy, u can't bash them for actions that end up being right.
Just because Treze missed most of the season, the Amauri deal was proved to be extra useful, but for this year alone, but i am not debating this, Amauri is a good player and since he got the chance, he did well. Thats fine and i am happy with it.
I am not accusing him, but the concept behind his arrival. The plan we had before we even had him. We didnt know Treze will lose the season, if he didnt, then one between him and Amauri would be wasted on the bench, at any case Iaquinta's role would be marginal, so Giovinco's. One of them would be wasted on the bench anyway. My point is that we should avoid having a luxury sub on the bench on the bench, i doesnt matter who that is, either DP,Treze, Iaquinta or Amauri.
It is a waste of resources to keep one of them on the bench and keep playing with Moli, Grygera and Marchionni as starters...
I dont criticize/blames the faces. Our boards decision were made and finished before the season started. Their decision included 2-3 luxury subs on the forward line and the particular gents in our wings. It doesnt matter who exactly would be injured/available,no one could predict that and thats irrelevant,
the point is that the 2-3 luxury sub rule would be valid no matter who that man was. See my point now?(hopefully)
You make arguments that we haven't improved much but like jck said, we are doing much better than last year, considering the competitions we are in.
I don't mind Ranieri's reluctance to change formations too often or completely leave the 4-4-2
Again you are arguing momentary performances, when i am arguing long term plans. The momentary performances are not directly depended on our managers pre-seasons choice. Thats our players form and our coaches duties and i am pleased with that, thats not my point...
Because if we are "building" a team, we establish a system and find players to suit it. (at least that's one way of doing it)
Only occasionally changing formations to suit specific strategy.
My point is that we get more consistent results when we have a fixed formation. Everybody knows how to move and in which directions.
The compactness we have on the field shows this. U can see we often clearly lack quality but yet as a unit/team we are hard to defeat.
Ultimately, Gio is the victim. And thats y I think Ranieri didn't play him that often. But now, IMO, he has no other choice that to utilize him more and more.
Agreed, but it doent mean that we wouldnt have done even better if we had even better starters in the places, we have extremely limited starters...
Our spirit is admirable, i am also proud of it as you are, but it is a pity that we lack the right "tools"to make it count for smth...
I will justify that.
First of all, lets make it clear that Iaquinta is much much better player than Zalayeta. Zala was never anything more than an utility striker while Iaquinta was a world cup winner, who maybe isn't good enough to be a sure starter in the best teams, but is a striker that every top class team would like to have in the squad.
I whole-heartily disagree, if Zalayeta was born Italian, he would have been world cup winner too, its not like Iaquinta made a difference there...
One was Italian+starter=> hyped and the other was a 4th choice sub=> under-rated...
In the summer of 2007 we had Del Piero and Trezeguet. Zalayeta and Palladino weren't players you'd like to have as replacement if Del Piero or Trez are injured for longer period.
We simply had to have the third good striker in the team. We couldn't just take a risk and buy some youngster with potential, we couldn't just rely on Zala and Palladino, Bojinov didn't prove himself even in serie B and we didn't want to pay 8m to Fiorentina to keep him, and we certainly couldn't spend 20-30m for a top class attacker in 2007. We needed someone who was able to show up when needed. Someone who will do the job in this transition period of 2-3 years. Iaquinta was that guy and he proved himself as such. We didn't buy Iaquinta to be our leading striker in the future. We got him to be our quality on the bench who could temporarily successfully replace our quality on the pitch.
Our starters were DP+Treze anyway, we couldnt rely on Zala so as we couldnt rely on Iaquinta anyway, we could have called Giovinco then, keep Zala and Palla.
We never gave them enough chances to be proved incompetent, thats mostly because we preferred Iaquinta, if Iaquinta wasnt present, we would be forced to trust and use them more extensively, thus making him more effective!!
There were many places in our team, we lacked starters like DP+Treze and subs like Zala, Giovinco and Palla. We couldnt afford to fix them all. We should fix our starters first!! Iaq was never a priority. We never had the chances to compete for the title anyway. If it wasnt for Neddy and DP heroic performances we would reach were we reached. Iaq helped a lot less than we suffered from the cheap choices we made on the midfield and defense. Those issues could be fixed if he wasnt bought instead of them. And those foxes could be even available up until this day. We were planning to invest the majority of our transfer budget on Amauri anyway next year(the choice was made even before the season ended) and Cassano right after that... That would mean, that wouldnt have any better time to focus on our defensive issues.
Summer of 2008
- We made it to CL (or we were close to making it because we were in the qualifiers). We knew that this year we won't have a week rest between the matches and we knew that this year we needed to improve our position in serie A also. We weren't playing only to secure CL qualification. We wanted to try and play for the scudetto this time and compete everywhere we play.
Having a 34 years old Del Piero, having a guy who gets a serious injury every second year and who is 31 and having Iaquinta may not be enough to achieve all this. We need more.
We finally have the money to get ourselves more quality in attack. Someone who can easily be a starter and score the needed goals.
Voila, we buy Amauri.
Amauri does great and Iaquinta keeps doing his job in the meantime. Whatever happened, we had top quality in attack no matter who plays there.
Again, we were not going for the title anyway,the gap of quality between us and Inter cannot be reached within a season, we already had a complete team, we should start focusing on building up this team, as we announced. We should start adding quality players in order to materialize the five year plan. The CL were secured due the lack of competition. The team we had last year, with an addition of two starters would achieve the same, those 2 extra starters and our 3 Moggi wonder youngsters would provide the extra depth we needed for those 3 competitions. If we sacrificed our long term plans to have better chances for titles this year, then we
failed twice, both on short and long term plans...
Summer of 2009
- Del Piero is close to 35, Trez spent most of the season injured (which wasn't a surprise).
If we buy Cassano we won't undermine the benefits of Amauri and Iaquinta (who btw did his job in the transition period and can now be sold), we will do it because there are huge chances that our main two strikers won't be able to win us trophies anymore.
We knew that DP was going to be 35 by now, we knew that some long time ago, we knew that when we were buying Iaquinta and we also new that when we were buying Amauri

It is that its just happened all of a sudden, it was bound to happen as time passes by. Thats why we should fix our other issues first and then focus on this one when the time comes. Did we fix it?? No. then wtf were doing back then??? Where is the vision?? What were we thiking when we were buying Iaquinta and Amauri? Did we knew that they wont be DP's successor and we will be forced to buy one more when he retires? Then we did we sacrificed the previous seasons??
You know my stance in Cassano's case. I also don't think we should make him our main purchase if we keep the 4-4-2. But in your post you made it sound that by buying Cassano (and previously Amauri) the board is admiting the mistakes done in the summer of 2007 and 2008 when they bought Iaquinta (Amauri). I'm telling you that you are wrong.
Why? Since we knew we were buying Cassano in the first place, whats the point of buying Iaquinta? To sell him??
Whats the point of bringing back Giovinco, to loan him out next year?
Gigli said there will be no major departures, putting my theory that a Trez sale would fund Cassano to rest. I still think Cassano is NOT the Nedved replacement, and I'm curious how were going to afford him.
Cassano cannot be Neddy's replacement, unless we change to 4-3-3, Neddy's replacement could be a fine excuse to acquire a player we dont urgently need though...
Now lets just agree on a one simple fact... accusations of : Amauri, Iaquinta, Sissoko and Manninger were great moves.
Anyone thinking otherwise is insane.
Individually yes, BUT acquiring Iaquinta, since we had had in mind that we are buying Amauri next year and DP's successor the year after that, whilst sacrificing our needs in other places in the mean was a mistake...
Sissoko should have been bought from the first place, but we rather chose to buy 2 cheaper players in order to save some more money for Iaquinta instead.
And then we had no CB to field and no RM either(we were forced to field Nocerino), we chose to make the would have been right choice at the wrong time...
Manningher was the wisest choice this board has ever done!! Thank God:xfinger:
the Molinaro case when you denied that he hasn't improved and he was voted player of the month [Feb]? and that he was only voted because people felt sorry for him.
Molinaro has been the worst player performance wise we had last year
and the worst starter i have ever seen in my life with Juve's jersey.
The saddest part of this issue is that he is soooo limited, that he can never be a useful player to a competitive team. So i bashed him for his harmful performances last year and mostly because of his absent potential, that threatened not only that season, but also our future!
Molinaro has been improved his teamwork and has gained a lot of confidence.
Since the summer preparation i ceased bashing his performances and i do tolerate his presence since he is less harmful this year. What i keep criticizing even now, is still his potential. I still think it is a waste of time to insist with him, but i dont bash him for his performances, on the contrary, i even defended him this season, even against Alen

Yes that actually happened!!
I am still very upset to see how much some of his half decent performances are over-hyped that much. There are some certain reasons Moli is less harmful this year and none of them indicates that we should tolerate his lack of talent and hope that he will become Juve material some time in the future!
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare him with the Milano based fullbacks and claim that he is even remotely close to their level. The votes he got then prove nothing more than empathy...