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JuveJay

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They had too, Ainge wasn't getting godfather trade packages for him like he was holding out for. And Lauri would been free agent next summer.



But now it will be awkward. Roster has zero chances for playoff or play in spot.


But a healthy and not sitting out lauri too good to tank fully with for Cooper Flagg draft. Just like they couldn't tank for wemby with him there lol

So will be most likely 9-12 pick range below playoffs treadmill team. Or you get lucky like Hawks did, play in team that got 1st pick in huge luck of the draw.


But there's atleast 5-6 tanking teams worse then a Lauri led Jazz, so would still say your odds for Cooper Flagg sweepstakes will be lower.
This was always the most likely scenario. Plus it's not just a Cooper Flagg draft like it was for Wemby, there are other potential franchise players in the next draft, down to 7 or 8. Utah might get lucky and finish 5th or 6th and get bumped to #1 in the lottery, but generally Utah are never that lucky. But I'd argue it's not worth trying to be the worst team all season to have at max a 14% chance of #1. Some of these teams like Washington and Detroit have built an awful losing culture that Utah have just never had.

Next season depends on many factors - if Lauri has an all star year and isn’t sat with imaginary injuries for the run-in, if Collin Sexton isn't traded and has another excellent year, if John Collins is traded or Kessler starts and has a bounce back year, if Keyonte takes another big step up as his summer league suggests, what level the rookies and sophomores in general can contribute, whether Clarkson is complete ass again (and not traded).

A few things could happen yet, Jazz might even trade for someone like Ingram as NO are in real difficulty. Nothing would surprise me.

What works against the Jazz is that they have a genuine home advantage with the crowd, and also teams will occasionally sit a star for a road trip to SLC, so we are far too competitive at home to be able to suck as badly as some of these teams.

Ultimately I think Jazz will win more games than fans will like, they'll do a late tank maybe after a weakening trade (this is limited by the salary floor), and finish maybe 5-8 in the lottery. Long term you can't really predict as the base is flipping and building in the draft, but with lots of picks and young talent you are always well-positioned to trade for a big player if an opportunity arises. This is what I think Ainge's ultimate plan is, but nothing has come up so far.
 

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Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Lol, he has like 30 different individual hand shakes with everyone in Lakers org lol, from players, coaches to support staff lol. It's goofy but don't know how he remembers it all.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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Great basketball player but yeah, Ant is one of the dumbest people in the NBA which is saying a lot considering how absolutely retarded NBA players are.

I think the league is shooting themselves in the foot by exposing them so much. NFL only lets QBs and team captains get this kind of coverage and MLB players don’t talk much. But these NBA guys really are taking it too far with the podcasts, news, etc.

you had Steph saying there’s no moon landing, Kyrie doing Kyrie things, so many other retarded things have been said.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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@Osman your boy dumb as shit.

Yep, it's even extra retarded to start the whole thing with "I didn't watch it so i cant speak on it" (well duh you born 2001 or 2002).


Then proceed to fucking speak on it like he has an authoritarian factual take on it lol. By saying Jordan was only one skilled.


It's typical dumb young jock thing to do. It also highlights these lasting impressions are all about fame and brand. Which Jordan excelled more then any athlete in sports history. It could be year 2050, and some young will still be positive effected by the Jordan brand name.



Its one thing if he had just said Jordan is the greatest, but imo average nba player, aka role players nowadays are more well rounded and expected to do much more skills wise in many aspects, not just specialise in one skill alone. But wide range.

As the playstyle of teams changed offensively (everyone must be high level shooter now) and the overall depth of talent in league increased (because international game is way more talented now and colleges churn out more athletic freaks), it meant more and more teams of higher executing offensive teams in bigger sizes and more athletic in majority of nba rosters.


Even oldheads will tell you that now compared to some previous eras in terms of the skillset differences in role players. But doesn't mean you should speak out of your ass and dismissive every previous superstar or star not named Jordan.
 
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mjromeo81

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Aug 29, 2022
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I remember following Derrick Rose back when he was playing in NCAA for Memphis. The guy is a fucking baller and that MVP season will never be forgotten.

Such a shame that ACL injury destroyed his career. Was never the same after that.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Icon with one of the biggiest what ifs NBA stories around (him and Penny Hardaway), I still get emotional when I remember seeing 5 years ago his 50 pt game with Timberwolves. It was one of his many comebacks from gruelling injuries, and it genuinely made you tear up and feel for him seeing what it means to him just to he out on the court again after long absences and being dismissed etc:

 

Osman

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What the fuck are we fucking doing? What contender salary dumps? Ffs, why can't we have nice things? This ENTIRE deal is shameless salary dump. There's no point talking basketball aspects.


We want to contend or nah? Kat has huge contract and been somewhat dissapointing in crunch time. But he is an elite 2nd option. An expiring illfitting non shooting point forward PF who won't be here next season, a cheap good 3nD point specialist BACKUP SG (I'm a fan, but not as most talented piece in Kat haul), and a pick that will turn out to be 2nd rounder. Because there's no way Pistons will get pick outside top 11-13 coming 3 seasons.



So I ask again, we want to contend or nah? It leads on nah, because what contender salary dumps their most EFFICIENT spaced out scorer, when the main weakness of entire team is scoring and especially perimeter scoring.



I repeat, contenders don't salary dump elite talents with deals like this. Its just Wolves being Wolves.

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The Wolves are fucked, I don't think Randle as a big is a good fit for Ant, the guy that practiced 1000 3s per day at least provided some spacing :p


Just woke up for work, talk about starting off on bad note. Kat has been an underappreciated loyal Wolves icon for 9 straight years. He is no KG, but this gives me the same bad feeling of when I woke up with the news of us trading KG for Al Jefferson...
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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But that “…” has to mean KAT wasn’t involved in the trade talks, right? It’s wild to me how NBA players can be traded with 0 say on the matter from the player himself.

Imagine Totti one day waking up to find out he has to move to Madrid or Manchester.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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NBA players almost never know where or when they being traded. Even those who make trade demands, it's when the organisation decided and where they decided, and almost allways sudden.


Jrue Holiday found out he traded to Celtic while asleep, when he just been at kids birthday party with bucks players and execs with his own kids.


It's a brutal bussiness lol. Technically speaking NBA contracts are owned by the league itself so it's free movement wherever, the organisations have the rights to their contracts as individual governors. The players have no say when under contract. Only in free agency.


But then again NBA players are insanely well paid so end of day it works out for them. Kat has contract rising to 60m a year in couple years.
 

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