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JuveJay

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Jaren Jackson Jr. deserved DPOY? He's a fearsome rim protector and I think anyone who's the best in that area gets it, unless someone has a crazy season with steals.

What most goes against him is his minutes played, compared to someone like Bam or Brook Lopez. Think they should bring the rules more in line with what has just been done for MVP in terms of game time.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Embiid for sure
Why tho? 3rd record in the east and Philly is actually 9-5 without him. All 3 have great individual seasons, Jokic not as great defensively but makes it up with playmaking. But Bucks got #1 record and Giannis has the highest win % between the 3 when they play. When they are comparable individually, winning should decide
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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what about defense?
Look at Embiid’s blocks
Does Giannis not play defense? He's better at it than Embiid actually. Embiid is a rim protector, he's gonna have good blocks numbers. Giannis is a roamer, who can rim protect too while also be able to guard the perimeter. He's one of the most versatile great defenders in the league, and the Bucks are a top 5 defense, him being a big reason for that (along with Lopez and Holiday). Also worth nothing that Giannises numbers come in less mpg compared to Jokic and Embiid

Jokic is the weakest defender here but he's a far superior playmaker to the other 2

Embiid selling point will be that he never won it before, and these voters can be swayed easily with narratives. In reality it's very very close, but actually looking at each candidate, Embiid deserves it the least
 

ALC

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Does Giannis not play defense? He's better at it than Embiid actually. Embiid is a rim protector, he's gonna have good blocks numbers. Giannis is a roamer, who can rim protect too while also be able to guard the perimeter. He's one of the most versatile great defenders in the league, and the Bucks are a top 5 defense, him being a big reason for that (along with Lopez and Holiday). Also worth nothing that Giannises numbers come in less mpg compared to Jokic and Embiid

Jokic is the weakest defender here but he's a far superior playmaker to the other 2

Embiid selling point will be that he never won it before, and these voters can be swayed easily with narratives. In reality it's very very close, but actually looking at each candidate, Embiid deserves it the least
You said it yourself, Giannis has help and a good team being him.Embiid has been dominating by himself in a team where the second best player is an old Harden who can’t score the way he used to.

saying Embiid deserves it least is pretty dumb
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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You said it yourself, Giannis has help and a good team being him.Embiid has been dominating by himself in a team where the second best player is an old Harden who can’t score the way he used to.

saying Embiid deserves it least is pretty dumb
Harden is the assist champ. First you said Embiid has the most dominant stats, when in reality he is only scoring the most out of the 3, and you can credit atleast to some degree Harden for that (again, assist champ). Then you said it's the defense when Giannis is actually the better defender. Now you say that it's Giannises team and he has the help (his co star has a career down year recovering from injury), when Philly without Embiid is 9-5 (Harden, Maxey, Harris are chumps I guess), Bucks are 11-8 without Giannis and Denver I think has a losing record without Jokic but to be fair in his case, a lot of those were without the other starters too.

So Giannis has the first 30-10-5 season since Wilt and Jokic is averaging a triple double as a center (if he was statpadding as the dumbass Perkins says, he'd have played more and passed more to get that 9.7apg over 10), both having better records than Embiid, but apparently according to you saying they deserve it more is dumb. If neither won any MVP so far, Embiid would get the least votes for sure. But since Jokic is a 2 times running I doubt they would give him 3 straight when Jordan and James didn't get it either. And Giannis won 2 before too, he has a complete resume already. So giving it to Embiid seems "fair", and that will be his main selling point
 

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