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[ALC]

But if you are a GM that has to rebuild, what package do you go with?

I personally think the Toronto players will be better in the long run and the oldest is JV at 26. I see Kuz being really good and you already know how I feel about Lonzo. Haven’t seen Zubac much so I can’t say much there.

But then again, it always benefits a team to trade their star player outside of the conference all things being equal.

 

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[Osman]

Khris Middleton as a centerpiece maybe? But he's not even better than Kuzma, and is 4 years older. I don't see where the pieces are for Milwaukee to make a deal. Toronto, yes. Those 2 aforementioned guys plus that OG cat could be a good starting point.

But objectively speaking, are those three a better package than Kuzma, Zubac, and Lonzo? I'm not sure about that. The Pelicans would be getting a much younger core with these three than they would with Toronto

Middleton is Free agent this summer, no one should take him seriously in a trade piece for major player (different in off season if they did sign and trade). He still a fantastic player tho, but not as much as before now that he doesn't defend as well. Bucks barely own their picks and dont have trade assets to do this deal imo (tho Bledsoe and Brogdon two very underrated players).


Best player that can be offered now by the teams not called Celtics, is the Raptors and Siakam, but problem is again the other pieces. Delon Wright is back end of the rotation type guard, the hyped OG would normally be hot asset, but he has stunk it up this season, FVV or JV tho decent to good players (JV is underrated)wont be taken seriously in a trade in themselves.


Best they can offer is most likely Siakam, Ibaka a late first and one of the others for filler (and to entice with Ibaka they prolly will have to add 2 picks because his contract is bad value for his output). It would deplete their depth but it's all they have to work with.


I'm not sure they should tho, short sighted, they already have a superstar pining for California and who wont resign, why go for another, as exciting as it is for few months, its unlikely to last. And not sure they can afford it post summer anyways without gutting entire roster, because Lowry's gigantic contract is going nowhere.



Most interesting for me is the aftermath with Jru Holiday, he's amazing imo, I hope Minnesota go for him if NO hit the reset button and rebuild.

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[Ronn]

I did read something, and if this is true , then the responsible parties need to be brought up on collusion or tampering charges.

Apparently, Popovich told the Pelicans GM not to "cave in" to the Lakers.

Can't do that. Absolutely not allowed. You cannot tell someone from another team what they should or should not do regarding that other team's player.

That's unusual. What would Pop gain from this?

 

[KB824]

Middleton is Free agent this summer, no one should take him seriously in a trade piece for major player (different in off season if they did sign and trade). He still a fantastic player tho, but not as much as before now that he doesn't defend as well. Bucks barely own their picks and dont have trade assets to do this deal imo (tho Bledsoe and Brogdon two very underrated players).


Best player that can be offered now by the teams not called Celtics, is the Raptors and Siakam, but problem is again the other pieces. Delon Wright is back end of the rotation type guard, the hyped OG would normally be hot asset, but he has stunk it up this season, FVV or JV tho decent to good players (JV is underrated)wont be taken seriously in a trade in themselves.


Best they can offer is most likely Siakam, Ibaka a late first and one of the others for filler (and to entice with Ibaka they prolly will have to add 2 picks because his contract is bad value for his output). It would deplete their depth but it's all they have to work with.


I'm not sure they should tho, short sighted, they already have a superstar pining for California and who wont resign, why go for another, as exciting as it is for few months, its unlikely to last. And not sure they can afford it post summer anyways without gutting entire roster, because Lowry's gigantic contract is going nowhere.



Most interesting for me is the aftermath with Jru Holiday, he's amazing imo, I hope Minnesota go for him if NO hit the reset button and rebuild.

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I think the line of thinking , if that your goal is to totally rebuild, and have cap space this summer, that the Lakers may present one of the better options. Maybe not the best, but the Lakers could tick all those boxes. Young talent in Kuzma, Zubac and Lonzo. 1 st round draft picks. Expiring contracts in KCP. They can make the salaries work and give New Orleans cap space. I don't think its something that can just be brushed off. A total rebuild by New Orleans will require a trading partner that has all of these.

 

[zizinho]

Zubac averaging 19 ppg - 9.4 rpg - 1.2 bpg in 25.2 minutes over the last 5 games agains OKC, GS, Houston, Minny, Phoenix. 66.1% from the field and 91.3% from the FT line.

We're excited about him for good reason, especially after how poor he looked last year and to begin this season.

thats Adams, Boogie, Capela, Towns, Ayton. i have a feeling the RonZu pick and roll will have another fantastic game tonight

 

[Post Ironic]

thats Adams, Boogie, Capela, Towns, Ayton. i have a feeling the RonZu pick and roll will have another fantastic game tonight

Ayton was out injured though.

 

[Enron]

Ayton was out injured though.

Capela too.

 

[zizinho]

btw, what do you guys think about the Nets making a bid for AD? they have cleared up the Pierce-KG mess pretty well, and could have a lot of cap space in the summer. if they can get a trade for AD going, and maintain the cap flexibility for another max, thats a potential contender. plus theyre almost NY, so do they have that big market going for them. but i dont know if they have assets to challenge Boston or us. DLO, Levert, Dinwiddie, that center that blocks everyone and maybe Kurucs.

 

[ALC]

I don’t think AD cares about the Nets. He wants to go to a contender team and the Nets need more pieces to get there, which I doubt they’ll get in less than two years

 

[KB824]

I don’t think AD cares about the Nets. He wants to go to a contender team and the Nets need more pieces to get there, which I doubt they’ll get in less than two years

Anyone that makes a move for AD, in order for Davis to seriously consider it, needs to have a star already in place. There would be no point in him re-signing somewhere if the team he goes to has depleted their assets and have no star next to him. I think Brooklyn is out of the equation.

 

[zizinho]

do you guys see a dark horse that could get him? i see the Knicks being mentioned but i dont see what they could offer? i still dont think anyone can challenge Boston (if they include Tatum) and the only reason we have a chance is the James>Klutch>AD connection, which could make the Celtics hesitate

 

[KB824]

do you guys see a dark horse that could get him? i see the Knicks being mentioned but i dont see what they could offer? i still dont think anyone can challenge Boston (if they include Tatum) and the only reason we have a chance is the James>Klutch>AD connection, which could make the Celtics hesitate

Boston can't trade for him until after the season. The Rose Rule prevents it. Irving already falls under that provision

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/anthony-davis-trade-celtics-rose

 

[zizinho]

Boston can't trade for him until after the season. The Rose Rule prevents it. Irving already falls under that provision

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/anthony-davis-trade-celtics-rose

but i dont see a trade happening before summer anyway. i mean, why would NO settle for something from us now, when they can potentially get a better offer from them in the summer? and our offer will still be there

 

[KB824]

but i dont see a trade happening before summer anyway. i mean, why would NO settle for something from us now, when they can potentially get a better offer from them in the summer? and our offer will still be there

The dynamics could change between now and the summer. What if Kyrie doesn't re-sign with the Celtics? Why would AD go there, knowing that the Celtics would have to trade at least Tatum, Rozier, and others to get him? And he would be the only star there.

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he says he wants to go to a team with a chance to win a title. That's tricky because that means that you have to go to a team with an already established superstar, and lots of cap space,

 

[zizinho]

The dynamics could change between now and the summer. What if Kyrie doesn't re-sign with the Celtics? Why would AD go there, knowing that the Celtics would have to trade at least Tatum, Rozier, and others to get him? And he would be the only star there.

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he says he wants to go to a team with a chance to win a title. That's tricky because that means that you have to go to a team with an already established superstar, and lots of cap space,

but where would Kyrie go? if they tell him they have a trade for AD lined up, plus Horford and a few other quality players there already, i dont think if he can go to a better situation. the problem for them imo is Hayward. hes earning 30M+ and i dont think anyone would want to take him in a trade. they can hardly keep 4 players that earn 120M together, while having a deep enough roster to compete at the same time. but if Kyrie leaves due to whatever tensions are/were going on there, they would be stupid to trade for AD

 

[KB824]

but where would Kyrie go? if they tell him they have a trade for AD lined up, plus Horford and a few other quality players there already, i dont think if he can go to a better situation. the problem for them imo is Hayward. hes earning 30M+ and i dont think anyone would want to take him in a trade. they can hardly keep 4 players that earn 120M together, while having a deep enough roster to compete at the same time. but if Kyrie leaves due to whatever tensions are/were going on there, they would be stupid to trade for AD

Kyrie would have to re-sign first. You can't just assume that Kyrie would re-sign if they tell him they have a trade lined up. If they make the trade before he re-signs, he is in line to lose a lot of money.

 

[zizinho]

Kyrie would have to re-sign first. You can't just assume that Kyrie would re-sign if they tell him they have a trade lined up. If they make the trade before he re-signs, he is in line to lose a lot of money.

its all on Kyrie then, hes the make or break guy for Boston. they better do everything they can to keep him happy

 

[ALC]

Kyrie is a wildcard. He wants to be the #1 and if he thinks AD can take that spot over him, he wouldn’t mind leaving. Dude thinks the earth is flat, one of the best ballers out there but dude has a couple screws loose. Can’t really take his word on staying.

 

[Osman]

He will most likely resign. And should be ecstatic to have AD as teammate. Much easier to play with him then Hayward or Horford who goes quiet in playoffs.

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[KB824]

He will most likely resign. And should be ecstatic to have AD as teammate. Much easier to play with him then Hayward or Horford who goes quiet in playoffs.

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The Celtics would be hard pressed to manage a roster with 4 players totalling 120 million on their cap, though. I can't see the Pelicans taking on either long term contract of Hayward or Horford.