The Lebanese political crisis!!! (14 Viewers)

[JCK]

Word.

 

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[Azzurri7]

The most hilarious part is that Hezbollah and their allies can not set a new government, says so much about their tight relationships.

 

[Snoop]

I haven't been following the Lebanese political scene closely, but I have one thing to say. Kess 25t el 7okeme, 3ala 25t el mo3arada.
If only we can get rid of both sides, and teach the new generation to love/respect each other and know how to live together as a one big family whether you are sunni, shiaa, catholic, maronites, orthodox, drooz, and etc
It's about time this childish bullshit stops, and we start rebuilding the country, and have the right people in the right places.
I am glad I don't support both sides, because they both have caused pain to the Lebanese people. I support Lebanon, and non of both sides do. So screw them both

The best post of this thread, and I had and said these thoughts too.

 

[Azzurri7]

So guess who's involved in former Prime minister Rafik Hariri's assassination?

UN tribunal indicts Hezbollah members. At least 3 names that are members of Hezbollah.

However, more names will follow, some newspapers spreading that the next names that could be involved by the UN tribunal court are Assef Shawkat(Syrian Chief military intelligence) and Restom Ghazali(Syrian former head of intelligence secret service).

 

[Yamen]

well, it was either Hezbollah or Syria. Now that is Syria having their own issues and the regime seem to be falling, the last piece of the puzzle would be Hezbollah. And there you have it. The New Middle East!

 

[Azzurri7]

well, it was either Hezbollah or Syria. Now that is Syria having their own issues and the regime seem to be falling, the last piece of the puzzle would be Hezbollah. And there you have it. The New Middle East!

I don't know man, but why am I not surprised? I expected this somehow. I must say Hezbollah's involvement(if they're really involved) is a bit shocking at first for me, but not for the Syrian secret service.

Whoever kills 29 big politician figures in Lebanon is welling to kill one more.

 

[IrishZebra]

As if Mikati has the balls the hand over Hezbollah members to an external trial

 

[Azzurri7]

Where are you from?

 

[Yamen]

I didn't see this coming from IZ.

Well Rab, I am no politicial at all, but you know I am kinda forcefully involved if you know what I mean

Lets see what Nasrallah has to say about this - I am sure (7ayzalzel el zalazeel).

 

[IrishZebra]

Where are you from?

I'm from Éire, what's that got to do with anything?

 

[Azzurri7]

Curiosity only.


Yamen, Nasrallah already made an appearance last night for UN Tribunal concerning the 3 names that they mentioned, Nasrallah made it clear that he will not cooperate with it/them and he doesn't care how many names they come up with because he's convinced Israel and the Americans are behind this tribunal.

 

[IrishZebra]

I can be Irish and still have an interest in Lesbanese politics.

 

[Yamen]

Curiosity only.


Yamen, Nasrallah already made an appearance last night for UN Tribunal concerning the 3 names that they mentioned, Nasrallah made it clear that he will not cooperate with it/them and he doesn't care how many names they come up with because he's convinced Israel and the Americans are behind this tribunal.

I missed it I am leaning towards the idea that they are trying to frame Hezbollah one way or another. Man it just doesn't make sense to take aaaaalll this time to come up with this conclusion after all!! I am guessing that everyone moved on with their agenda after and didn't seem to give Harir's assasination the right attention.

IZ.. I agree with you mate, its just not common. That's why we're asking.. no offence buddy for sure

 

[Azzurri7]

I can be Irish and still have an interest in Lesbanese politics.

Interesting. Except that I don't see this very often :smile:

 

[JCK]

I can be Irish and still have an interest in Lesbanese politics.

Why would anyone be interested in that? Ir's the most boring broken record ever.

 

[IrishZebra]

Because I'm very interested in the potential of another IDF-Hezbollah conflict and the dichotomy of Militancy and Politics at play in the Lebanon.

Also, It's a perfect example of why trying to reconcile militants with moderates always eventually descends into further conflict, which I think is very relevant in Ireland today. They have a deadly flag and I studied them in college or more specifically the role Syria played in the growth of the March 8th Alliance.


Also,Also

 

[Fred]

IZ

 

[IrishZebra]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/08/3264138.htm?section=world

Lebanon to cooperate with Hariri tribunal

Lebanon's prime minister has vowed to cooperate with a United Nations-backed court charging Hezbollah operatives over the assassination of the country's former leader, Rafik Hariri, six years ago.

In 2005 a massive truck bomb killed Mr Hariri and 22 others.
UN tribunal delivers Hariri murder indictments
Lebanon's prime minister has vowed to cooperate with a United Nations-backed court charging Hezbollah operatives over the assassination of the country's former leader, Rafik Hariri, six years ago.

In 2005 a massive truck bomb killed the former prime minister and 22 others. It remains one of the most shocking assassinations seen in the Middle East.

Suspicion over the bombing has long fallen on Hezbollah, the powerful shiite militia.

Last week a UN tribunal formally named four Hezbollah members as the prime suspects.

Hezbollah and its allies now hold a majority in Lebanon's parliament, and the group hand-picked new prime minister Najib Mikati.

Mr Mikati has been ambiguous about whether he is ready to stand up to Hezbolla, with many fearing the pursuit of justice could plunge Lebanon into a new round of violence.

But he has now made his position clear before parliament.

"The government confirms it will continue the path of the tribunal... and continue to cooperate in this regard as per the UN Security Council Resolution which set up the tribunal to see justice served," he said ahead of a confidence motion which his government won.

"I am following my conscience, my ethics, my loyalty to [late] prime minister Rafik Hariri."

The special UN tribunal has handed indictments for the bombing to Lebanon's state prosecutor, giving him 30 days to carry out the arrest warrants.

Hezbollah defiant

But Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has vowed never to hand the men over.

"I believe not in 30 days, not in 60 days, not in one year, not in two years, not in 30 years or 300 years can they arrest or hold these men," he said.

The Hezbollah leader steadfastly denies his group had any role in Mr Hariri's murder and denounces the UN investigation as a conspiracy by the US and Israel.

He has even cited an Australian police officer, Nick Kaldas, who headed up the 2009 UN investigation, alleging he once worked for American intelligence and the US military operation in Iraq.

"The investigation and this tribunal and its decisions and what could come out of it for us, it's clearly an American-Israeli plot," he said.

"According to this, we refuse it and we refuse whatever comes out of it, from unjust accusations to unjust sentences."

Mr Kaldas told ABC1's Lateline the allegations are completely baseless.

"Look, these are sort of scurrilous allegations," he said.

"You'd have to say it's ludicrous for anyone to criticise the investigation, as he has, without ever having seen a statement, without knowing what's in the evidence, without knowing how compelling it is.

"You'd have to say it's politically motivated, the criticism. It's disappointing, and it's rhetoric that's really not going to be helpful to anyone. It's certainly not going to cause the indictments to be withdrawn or for anyone to back away."

Mr Kaldas says the Arabic press has also been critical of him.

"It's almost entirely Hezbollah and those allied and supportive of Hezbollah and its cause. I'm not aware of any criticism outside of those circles," he said.

"The bottom line is it's a bit of a contact sport; you've got to expect you're going to take some knocks.

"This isn't a case where were going in to do something that was going to please absolutely everyone. Those who are accused were almost certainly going to be pretty upset and they were going to say bad things."

'Hunger for justice'

Many fear new indictments will spark fresh violence in Lebanon, but Mr Kaldas does not agree.

"If rationality or logic prevails, violence in the streets of Lebanon will not achieve anything for anyone," he said.

"It certainly won't cause the indictments to be withdrawn or the clock to be wound back or the evidence to disappear.

"The evidence is there, it's a compelling case, those who did it know they did it and now that they've been indicted, they're simply yelling out at anyone who points a finger at them."

Among the four Hezbollah suspects is Mustafa Badreddine, brother-in-law of top Hezbollah commander Imad Mughniyeh, who was assassinated in a 2008 explosion in Damascus.

He is suspected of having masterminded the February 14, 2005 Beirut bombing that killed Mr Hariri and 22 others.

Mr Kaldas says the motive behind the attack may never be known.

"I think [talk of a political comeback by Mr Hariri] had to be part of it," he said.

"There was also a resolution that he was accused of orchestrating at the UN which called on all parties to withdraw who were not legitimate Lebanese government forces, and that also may have been part of it."

Mr Kaldas says the four suspects may be tried in absence if they cannot be tracked down and arrested. But he says reaching a verdict is important for Lebanon.

"In some sense, even though you may not have your hands on the suspects or the offenders, at least you have closure, and that's a very important thing for the victims, their families and for those in Lebanon who want to see justice done," he said.

"I think there is still a hunger for justice, a hunger for the truth, a hunger for the reality of what happened to come out.

"I think getting the truth out in many ways is justice."

- ABC/wires

There goes Beirut.

 

[Azzurri7]

I doubt any cooperation. Actually I can assure anyone no cooperation will take place for obvious reasons.

 

[IrishZebra]

Something's got to give.