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    What an approach!!!!


    Beirut - Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah claimed a war was declared on Hezbollah, and vowed to continue holding Lebanon under siege until the government overturns decisions impacting the militia.

    "A war was declared against us. When the declaration ends, the disobedience ends," declared Nasrallah in a press conference on Thursday.

    "The decisions (of the government) are tantamount to a declaration of war and the start of a war... on behalf of the United States and Israel."

    He directly said that he would go to war with the Lebanese people if he felt Hezbollah's was being forced to disarm.

    "Yes, we hit the streets, protested, cut off roads and blocked the airport. This is civil disobedience as it occurs in any country."

    Walid Jumblatt had clearly upset the Hezbollah chief, as most of his speech was leveled at the majority leader. Nasrallah threatened to "cut off" Jumblatt's hand if he dared to touch Hezbollah's weapons.

    "Whoever is going to target us will be targeted by us. Whoever is going to shoot at us will be shot by us."

    He repeatedly referred to the ruling coalition as "Jumblatt's government", launching a series of personal attacks on the Druze leader, calling him a liar and a killer.

    In his usually eloquent fashion, Nasrallah managed to link the firing of the Hezbollah aligned airport chief as an attack on a Shiite Muslim, adding that the government plans to turn the airport into a military base for the CIA and Mossad.

    "Walid Jumblatt's dream is Sunni-Shia strife. We will not fulfill his dream."

    "If we wanted to stage a coup, you would have woken up this morning in prison, or in the middle of the sea," a visibly arrogant Nasrallah said, responding to allegations that Wednesday's chaos was a staged coup d'etat.

    Nasrallah went to great lengths to justify the illegal communications network Hezbollah has in place, saying it is used in "defending the country against Israel."

    Nasrallah alleges that the government offered to overlook the network if Hezbollah would shut down it's occupation of downtown Beirut. He continued to attack the government, calling them a "gang" for attempting to "blackmail" Hezbollah, claiming the resistance and opposition are two separate entities, a hypocritical statement given the fact that he launched his campaign of chaos on Wednesday hiding behind the umbrella of the opposition.

    Regarding a forthcoming war with Israel, Nasrallah claimed, "no, it is not certain that we are headed for a July 2008," however he continued to add, "I have stationed five militant groups on the border, and they are still there for protection."

    He accused the government of taking actions to "protects the unparalleled monstrous state of Israel."
     

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    Now tell me Rhizoid, how can I justify this motherfucking agent's actions?
     

    Azzurri7

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    Thank god for his speech.

    He confessed that his weapon has been used "inside" and not only to protect us from the Israeli's. He also confessed that they replied shooting on whomever shot on them yesterday during the protest.

    Seriously, how on earth do you expect people to treat you when you don't protest in a fucking civilized way? I feel disgusted having these people in our country. Somebody should ship them to Iran for fuck sake.

    You are giving the Government a warning? He thinks he has a country itself.

    Oh and one really good question for you Nasrallah, since you consider President Sanioura an American Israeli traitor how on earth are you asking him to sit on one table with you and negotiate? Doesn't this mean that you're negotiating with a traitor? which automatically turns you into a traitor?

    At last I want to see how Christians Michel Aoun feels about this. Aoun's supporters have to be the most retarded ppl I've seen.
     
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    Millions of dollars have been invested into media promotion/communication of such sites like YaLibnan, and alot of the "opinions" you read and listen to - on the Lebanese Opposition. You have been thoroughly led to believe are all convinced that Hezballah are seeking to destroy Lebanon rather than to protect it from a threat called Israel.

    And it's not a case of, if you're not with us you're against us. It's a case of the March-14 clearly taking decisions that are in the interests of the USA and Israel.

    The internal communications system is an intricate network which Hezballah uses (and which the government supposedly claimed as legitimate) to deliver their messages. It was through such a network that they managed to survive the 34 day war, and to prevent the Zionist Enemy from taking over Lebanon. This network is also used to intercept any Israeli-Lebanon communications which might pose a threat not only to Hezballah but to Lebanon as a whole.

    Our government clearly ordered their Lebanese army to disable this network.

    WHY? How in God's name is it disturbing them?

    About the tire burnings and riots, I agree, such actions take us back 20 years. But both sides are equally guilty. Future MILITIA, Leb Forces MILITIA have also taken to the streets with weapons.

    So when Hezballah or Shi'a people defend themselves, how do you all suddenly interpret this? "Oh my God, what cowards and hypocrites, I thought the guns aren't supposed to be used against the Lebanese people?!"

    Enough hypocricy, enough lies, enough BULLSHIT from Future Movement.

    Yesterday on FUTURE TV's scrolling text they announced that DAR AL IFTAA when Mufti Sheikh Qabbani lives, was hit and destroyed and was burning.

    THE FUTURE TV REPORTER LITERALLY SECONDS AFTER THE SCROLLING TEXT APPEARED CLEARLY SAID, THERE HASN'T BEEN A SINGLE BULLET FIRED!

    This is just a small example of the LIES that are fed to you by this government, which by the way has done an amazing job to win their propaganda war.

    Nasrallah said the solution is very very simple. He didn't scream, he didn't threat, he didn't say he wanted a war. All he said was for the government to officially go back on their decision to disable the communications network and for Wafic Choukair to retain his position.

    3 years he's been requesting to sit at the round table.

    Enough is enough.

    And enough with the Hezballah wanna takeover Lebanon bullshit, they'd have done that 5 years ago if they wanted to but they didn't.

    Women, children, of all religions and sects tortured, treated like SHIT by the Zionist Enemy for 20 years in South Lebanon. 10452 are BULLSHIT slogans, and the people who support them have no idea what they're buying into such empty slogans and hypocrisy.

    Do you ANY idea what happened in South Lebanon? Have you ever been inside Khiyam Prison? I visited it once, and it's one of the most disturbing places you can go to. You have no idea of the sick torture methods used down there. Yes Israel is an obsession, because we have much MUCH more pride as Lebanese than to bend over and give in to the demands of these terrorists.

    Hezballah is clearly misunderstood as a militia organisation and terrorist regime. Please explain why hasn't Lebanon become another Talibanistic-Kabul, then?

    It's even ironic that Saad Hariri said that this entire crisis is a misunderstanding. What the fuck does he take us for, idiots? I mean seriously, three years of no dialogue, no actions, and bending over for Condaleeza Whore, but thiiiis was a misunderstanding.

    And to all those Future Movement militias: You've got to be shitting me, Saad Hariri is now a cause that's worth dying for? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. :rolleyes:
     
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    Millions of dollars have been invested into media promotion/communication of such sites like YaLibnan, and alot of the "opinions" you read and listen to - on the Lebanese Opposition. You have been thoroughly led to believe are all convinced that Hezballah are seeking to destroy Lebanon rather than to protect it from a threat called Israel.
    Also millions of dollars have been invested in OTV and Almanar TV, nothing new here, it is part of the conflict to be able to brainwash as much as you can.

    And it's not a case of, if you're not with us you're against us. It's a case of the March-14 clearly taking decisions that are in the interests of the USA and Israel.
    Well isn't this something your side of the media has convinced you?

    The internal communications system is an intricate network which Hezballah uses (and which the government supposedly claimed as legitimate) to deliver their messages. It was through such a network that they managed to survive the 34 day war, and to prevent the Zionist Enemy from taking over Lebanon. This network is also used to intercept any Israeli-Lebanon communications which might pose a threat not only to Hezballah but to Lebanon as a whole.
    Again, propaganda and clichés :blah:

    Our government clearly ordered their Lebanese army to disable this network.

    WHY? How in God's name is it disturbing them?
    Maybe because they are growing stronger and stronger and soon they are taking over the country? Isn't it enough that they turned Beirut into a shithole? Isn't it enough that they paralyze the country anytime that motherfucker raises his finger?

    About the tire burnings and riots, I agree, such actions take us back 20 years. But both sides are equally guilty. Future MILITIA, Leb Forces MILITIA have also taken to the streets with weapons.
    As far as I'm concerned, my brother is stuck in Lebanon because Hezballa put the country under siege, it wasn't any other militia.

    So when Hezballah or Shi'a people defend themselves, how do you all suddenly interpret this? "Oh my God, what cowards and hypocrites, I thought the guns aren't supposed to be used against the Lebanese people?!"
    So removing the head of security of the airport is an attack? And is this how you defend yourself, by taking the country 20 years back?

    Nasrallah said the solution is very very simple. He didn't scream, he didn't threat, he didn't say he wanted a war. All he said was for the government to officially go back on their decision to disable the communications network and for Wafic Choukair to retain his position.
    He also said that he will open the gates of hell :disagree:

    3 years he's been requesting to sit at the round table.

    Enough is enough.
    And change the constitution to fit his needs and consequently Syria's needs?

    And enough with the Hezballah wanna takeover Lebanon bullshit, they'd have done that 5 years ago if they wanted to but they didn't.
    No dear, they couldn't have done that 5 years ago and ther was no need for that then. By then Syria was in the country and Hezballa were growing and buying weapons and strengthening themselves. Syria left the country so they went and allied by the biggest dog the country has ever seen called Michel Aoun. Now that their time is coming to an end they are trying to take over the country and the recent events are the first step.

    Women, children, of all religions and sects tortured, treated like SHIT by the Zionist Enemy for 20 years in South Lebanon. 10452 are BULLSHIT slogans, and the people who support them have no idea what they're buying into such empty slogans and hypocrisy.
    That was the past, it's time to look forward.

    Do you ANY idea what happened in South Lebanon? Have you ever been inside Khiyam Prison? I visited it once, and it's one of the most disturbing places you can go to. You have no idea of the sick torture methods used down there. Yes Israel is an obsession, because we have much MUCH more pride as Lebanese than to bend over and give in to the demands of these terrorists.

    Hezballah is clearly misunderstood as a militia organisation and terrorist regime. Please explain why hasn't Lebanon become another Talibanistic-Kabul, then?

    It's even ironic that Saad Hariri said that this entire crisis is a misunderstanding. What the fuck does he take us for, idiots? I mean seriously, three years of no dialogue, no actions, and bending over for Condaleeza Whore, but thiiiis was a misunderstanding.

    And to all those Future Movement militias: You've got to be shitting me, Saad Hariri is now a cause that's worth dying for? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. :rolleyes:
    Hezballa did their job and took the Israelis out of the country. There is absolutely no need for their armed existance anymore. They are obsessed with Israel, then let them go do is somewhere else. there are others in the country who are not obsessed and don't want to fight.

    As for hypocricy, have you noticed yourself using the slogans and terms that you are against? :howler:
     

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    Enough hypocrisy.

    It's amazing, it's the same everywhere. All Lebanese seem to be on one side or the other, am I the only one that sees that is painfully obvious that both parties are equally guilty. Stop defending the government already for they are just as responsible for turning this country into shambles as Hezballah is.

    They have been mumbling on about national unity for centuries, why don't they just soap it already? They both want to satisfy their feeder countries(Iran and America). How the fuck is this government helping Lebanon back to its feet? How the fuck is this government doing a good job? Nasrallah wanted negotiations, he got no response, he was treated like insignificant garbage by the government. Now he wants to block roads and burn wheels, where the fuck is that going to take us? He's almost hinting at a civil war which would take this country down for good. If Israel couldn't beat us in the war, civil war surely will.

    All parties are at fault. We couldn't elect a fucking president, how sad is that?
    Our problem if anything, is that we have too much democracy. Our people don't deserve this freedom. They can't accept opposing views. When something doesn't go their way, they want war. Hariri is a clueless Jiblaat puppet, Nasrallah is a violent hypocrite who wants control over Lebanon, Aoun is no better than a "kalb J3eireh". Our country is run by a bunch of moronic idiots who are successfully manipulating a country inflated with baffoons.
     
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    Enough hypocrisy.

    It's amazing, it's the same everywhere. All Lebanese seem to be on one side or the other, am I the only one that sees that is painfully obvious that both parties are equally guilty. Stop defending the government already for they are just as responsible for turning this country into shambles as Hezballah is.

    They have been mumbling on about national unity for centuries, why don't they just soap it already? They both want to satisfy their feeder countries(Iran and America). How the fuck is this government helping Lebanon back to its feet? How the fuck is this government doing a good job? Nasrallah wanted negotiations, he got no response, he was treated like insignificant garbage by the government. Now he wants to block roads and burn wheels, where the fuck is that going to take us? He's almost hinting at a civil war which would take this country down for good. If Israel couldn't beat us in the war, civil war surely will.

    All parties are at fault. We couldn't elect a fucking president, how sad is that?
    Our problem if anything, is that we have too much democracy. Our people don't deserve this freedom. They can't accept opposing views. When something doesn't go their way, they want war. Hariri is a clueless Jiblaat puppet, Nasrallah is a violent hypocrite who wants control over Lebanon, Aoun is no better than a "kalb J3eireh". Our country is run by a bunch of moronic idiots who are successfully manipulating a country inflated with baffoons.
    I totally agree with you. I am on neither side to be honest I think the victims are the people as they are being dragged by the leaders. My only point is that Hezballa are stronger and have the means and will to destroy more than the government. If it were to me, I would take all leaders, politicians and religious figures and burn them alive.
     

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    Millions of dollars have been invested into media promotion/communication of such sites like YaLibnan, and alot of the "opinions" you read and listen to - on the Lebanese Opposition. You have been thoroughly led to believe are all convinced that Hezballah are seeking to destroy Lebanon rather than to protect it from a threat called Israel.
    When you have a channel called Manar Tv, spreading the silliest propaganda all over the world and spreading terror than you can expect millions of dollars invested into Media.

    And it's not a case of, if you're not with us you're against us. It's a case of the March-14 clearly taking decisions that are in the interests of the USA and Israel.
    Stop living this illusionary life. Just because Hezbollah are syrian and iranian puppets doesn't mean others should be traitors. Just to hide the fact that Hezbollah are trying to copy the Iranian system in Lebanon doesn't mean you should accuse Sanioura and Hariri working with Israel.

    Why on earth is Nasrallah dying to sit on one table with March 14 since they're pro Israeli? :rolleyes: Question he himself couldn't answer.

    The internal communications system is an intricate network which Hezballah uses (and which the government supposedly claimed as legitimate) to deliver their messages. It was through such a network that they managed to survive the 34 day war, and to prevent the Zionist Enemy from taking over Lebanon. This network is also used to intercept any Israeli-Lebanon communications which might pose a threat not only to Hezballah but to Lebanon as a whole.
    Does this means that you burn Beirut and the people of Beirut?


    About the tire burnings and riots, I agree, such actions take us back 20 years. But both sides are equally guilty. Future MILITIA, Leb Forces MILITIA have also taken to the streets with weapons.
    Why can't you just admit it that Hezbollah and Amal supporters were the retarded ones to start with tire burnings and closing roads? I haven't seen Future movement doing that until Hezbollah started killing Civilians. You hear that, CIVILIANS not Israeli.

    So when Hezballah or Shi'a people defend themselves, how do you all suddenly interpret this? "Oh my God, what cowards and hypocrites, I thought the guns aren't supposed to be used against the Lebanese people?!"
    Please don't put Hezbollah and Shi'aa in one sentence. I'm Shi'aa and Hezbollah do NOT represent me at all.

    And as Shi'aa, I tell you this, I feel disgusted with Hezbollah using and turning their guns into the Lebanese Civilians. My bestfriend was shot in his leg for no fucking reason by Hezbollah men.

    What do you call this? Does Tel Aviv happens to be in Beirut? This is not called Resistance anymore, this is called MILITIA, gangsters to be more specific.

    Enough hypocricy, enough lies, enough BULLSHIT from Future Movement.
    Manar tv shouldn't be transmitted in no country other than Lebanon, it's a terrorist channel in ever single meaning. Lies, Bullshits and the real conflict between Sunni Shi'aa has started because of that channel.

    On some note incase you're not following the media, Hezbollah have attacked Future channels and they're not able to broadcast anymore.

    I call this CIVILIZATION if you ask me.


    Nasrallah said the solution is very very simple. He didn't scream, he didn't threat, he didn't say he wanted a war. All he said was for the government to officially go back on their decision to disable the communications network and for Wafic Choukair to retain his position.
    He didn't threat? did you even listen to him? he didn't wanted war? lol. interesting.

    What does, "we have entered into a new chapter, a dangerous chapter" what does that mean? not threatening at all eh?

    The man ran out of ideas, all what he can do now is kill civilianz. a shame to the name of Hezbollah, shame to the martyrs that died during 2006. A big shame.

    3 years he's been requesting to sit at the round table.

    Enough is enough.
    Why don't they want Michel Sleiman to be elected as President anymore? Oh wait I forgot, they follow the Syrian Iranian orders.



    A shame for Hezbollah supporters whom were welcomed to every single house in Beirut during the Israeli Hezbollah war of 2006.

    A shame for Lebanon, because Lebanese never thought they'd be using their weapons and kill Civilians.

    A shame because all these people that died for Hezbollah fighting didn't see the reality of Hezbollah, reality that says we'll over take beirut and turn it into Tehran.

    A shame because Shi'aa are more civilized than these retards.

    A shame because they think we're still 20years behind.



    At the end of the day, President Sanioura will remain, because no Militia can rule a country. No Iranian can rule our country, No Israeli/Syrian or anyone can rule out our country.
     

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    They have been mumbling on about national unity for centuries, why don't they just soap it already? They both want to satisfy their feeder countries(Iran and America). How the fuck is this government helping Lebanon back to its feet? How the fuck is this government doing a good job? Nasrallah wanted negotiations, he got no response, he was treated like insignificant garbage by the government. Now he wants to block roads and burn wheels, where the fuck is that going to take us? He's almost hinting at a civil war which would take this country down for good. If Israel couldn't beat us in the war, civil war surely will.
    No negotiations should take place without a PRESIDENT. very simple. He has been told that If he wants to sit on one table and negotiate with everyone let us elect Michel Sleiman.

    Why did they accept before the idea of Michel Sleiman becoming a president and then rejecting?
     

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    No negotiations should take place without a PRESIDENT. very simple. He has been told that If he wants to sit on one table and negotiate with everyone let us elect Michel Sleiman.

    Why did they accept before the idea of Michel Sleiman becoming a president and then rejecting?
    Why can't they sit on one table and negotiate before they elect Sleiman?

    Nasrallah wanted to take part in the decisions concerning Lebanon. He wanted to be part of Lebanon politically and not just militarilly. He wanted to be a part of the government, they didn't give him what he wanted. This is his response. I'm not defending him, I don't like his extemist attitude but one must think with a little objectivity. We have to acknowledge that Hezballah isn't an evil force that is out to destroy Lebanon, they want to be heard. I don't why they rejected Sleiman, and frankly I don't care. I believe that none of the candidates are fit enough to be the president of Lebanon.

    Here's my opinion. I dislike all the political groups in Lebanon, and all the political leaders in Lebanon should indeed be shot. I do know for a fact though that Nasrallah is a hurt man, he has lost his son, he has lost a lot of his people, and it's clear that he has had enough. He is taking a stand against his enemies. He isn't a stupid man, he knows what he is doing. When you listen to a Nasrallah speech, you learn something, he always makes good points. He is a very intelligent man, make no mistake about it. Look at Saad El Hariri, he's a laughing stock FFS. He's a disgrace to his father el shaheed whom I respect very much. He doesn't know what he's talking about, it's obvious that he's being manipulated by external influences.
     

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    Why can't they sit on one table and negotiate before they elect Sleiman?

    Nasrallah wanted to take part in the decisions concerning Lebanon. He wanted to be part of Lebanon politically and not just militarilly. He wanted to be a part of the government, they didn't give him what he wanted. This is his response. I'm not defending him, I don't like his extemist attitude but one must think with a little objectivity. We have to acknowledge that Hezballah isn't an evil force that is out to destroy Lebanon, they want to be heard. I don't why they rejected Sleiman, and frankly I don't care. I believe that none of the candidates are fit enough to be the president of Lebanon.
    Because they've tried sitting on that table and find solutions for more than 4x now without any result.

    Since they've always praised Michel Sleiman and since he's on no ones side why can't we elect him as a President and finish from this story. Just because Sleiman had some disagreement with Syrian Assad Family, Hezbollah rejected him as a President in the last couple of weeks before he came a president.

    The reason why I personally think there should be a President before sitting on a table is that because this President can lead this negotiations and find the real solution. Unlike what Nabih Berre has been doing over the years, calling everyone out to sit and talk while on the other hand his Amal thugs are on the streets killing people.


    I know Hezbollah want to be part of the government although they deny it and Nasrallah has stated many times thats not his interest. Personally, I think they should be part of this government under many conditions.

    1-Withdraw their weapons
    2-Accept the fact that there should be Embassy's between Syria and Lebanon
    3-etc

    You can't be part of the government and on the your other pocket have your gun.

    And that said, If I was the President of Lebanon, I'd withdraw every single pistol from each house, who doesn't accept this...his days should be in prison. and to be able to have a strong country you need a help from everyone and I don't see Hezbollah helping. No one should be armed except for the Lebanese Army. Give them time is all what I ask Hezbollah.

    Here's my opinion. I dislike all the political groups in Lebanon, and all the political leaders in Lebanon should indeed be shot. I do know for a fact though that Nasrallah is a hurt man, he has lost his son, he has lost a lot of his people, and it's clear that he has had enough. He is taking a stand against his enemies. He isn't a stupid man, he knows what he is doing. When you listen to a Nasrallah speech, you learn something, he always makes good points. He is a very intelligent man, make no mistake about it. Look at Saad El Hariri, he's a laughing stock FFS. He's a disgrace to his father el shaheed whom I respect very much. He doesn't know what he's talking about, it's obvious that he's being manipulated by external influences.

    Look, I'm never blind in politics, I try to see the good and bads. I'm Shi'3e from Dahye, had I been biased I would have defended Hezbollah, But unlike many others I tend to see the reality. So here is what I think.

    Nasrallah isn't the only hurt man. Most of the politicians lost either their sons, their fathers, daughters, relatives etc.

    Amin Gemayel has lost his son, his brother, his father his nephew. Isn't this man a hurt man? Or because Nasrallah lost his son to Israel than he's more of a hurt man?

    And personally, I'm fed up with these Hezbollah claiming how much men they lost. Does this mean that just because they lost men during the war over the years other Lebanese should be treated in such a way?

    Lebanese Forces itself, has lost over 20,000 men. Hezbollah hasn't lost over 5,500 men. May they all RIP, may each Free Lebanese RIP. But my point here is that no one should over-react or over-show what they've done. Just like they've given men against Israeli's, many others have given men away to protect our country.

    I really don't care about Saad speeches. Though with time he'll learn. Plus no man in this world will ever replace the big man Rafik Hariri, no one. But he still got lot of time.

    All what I care for is to see my country the way I always wanted it to be. Free, civilized like it has always been, tourists all over the world in our country like the good old days. and to build a future, you either need to move to Iran or give up the idea that Beirut will turn into Tehran one day.

    Thats my honest opinion.
     

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    Because they've tried sitting on that table and find solutions for more than 4x now without any result.

    Since they've always praised Michel Sleiman and since he's on no ones side why can't we elect him as a President and finish from this story. Just because Sleiman had some disagreement with Syrian Assad Family, Hezbollah rejected him as a President in the last couple of weeks before he came a president.

    The reason why I personally think there should be a President before sitting on a table is that because this President can lead this negotiations and find the real solution. Unlike what Nabih Berre has been doing over the years, calling everyone out to sit and talk while on the other hand his Amal thugs are on the streets killing people.

    There's a very good reason for that. It's not because they lack some sort of leader to help them negotiate, it's because each party has its own opinions and refuse to compromise. Hezballah want to satisfy Iran and Syria, Hairi and Jumblaat want to satisy America. Each party has been given specific instructions from these countries to be relentless and only settle for what they want. Ultimately, there will be no victor as they shall continue to talk on without even bothering to listen. This is the biggest problem we are facing, everyone talks, no one listens.


    I know Hezbollah want to be part of the government although they deny it and Nasrallah has stated many times thats not his interest. Personally, I think they should be part of this government under many conditions.

    1-Withdraw their weapons
    2-Accept the fact that there should be Embassy's between Syria and Lebanon
    3-etc

    You can't be part of the government and on the your other pocket have your gun.

    And that said, If I was the President of Lebanon, I'd withdraw every single pistol from each house, who doesn't accept this...his days should be in prison. and to be able to have a strong country you need a help from everyone and I don't see Hezbollah helping. No one should be armed except for the Lebanese Army. Give them time is all what I ask Hezbollah.


    I absolutely agree. I too want this nonesense of everyone having his own weapons to end. It's ridiculous. However, we may never come to this in reality.

    Hezballah are still very cautious of Israel. I think they should give their weapons to our army, however, it's not that simple. We all know who is better trained for a potential battle against Israel and it's not our army. The only way Lebanon can ever beat Israel in war is through a Militia style warfare. Hezballah can do that, the army can't. Regardless, I still don't think it's right to have a militant group inside this country that is stronger than the army. It means Hezballah can do whatever the fuck they want in Lebanon and no one can lay a finger of them.


    Look, I'm never blind in politics, I try to see the good and bads. I'm Shi'3e from Dahye, had I been biased I would have defended Hezbollah, But unlike many others I tend to see the reality. So here is what I think.

    Nasrallah isn't the only hurt man. Most of the politicians lost either their sons, their fathers, daughters, relatives etc.

    Amin Gemayel has lost his son, his brother, his father his nephew. Isn't this man a hurt man? Or because Nasrallah lost his son to Israel than he's more of a hurt man?

    And personally, I'm fed up with these Hezbollah claiming how much men they lost. Does this mean that just because they lost men during the war over the years other Lebanese should be treated in such a way?


    I never said you were blind in politics, you obviously aren't. However, despite hating Nasrallah, I just suggested you should consider what he's saying and why he's saying it before you bash him. He doesn't do something unless he has good reason to. This time, he has acted selfishly and has risked national security so his group can have a voice. However, he's not always wrong. He has every right to attack Jumblaat who in my opinion is the dirtiest politician in Lebanon. EL Hariri M3atar, he doesn't know what he's doing. Since his father's death he has been toyed with by Jumblaat and co.

    Againt, I also agree. There is never any justification for putting Lebanon in danger, never. A powerful person like Nasrallah has a huge responsibility and he should know that what he's doing is not the answer. I'm just saying that he hasn't been listened to for years and he's fed up.



    Lebanese Forces itself, has lost over 20,000 men. Hezbollah hasn't lost over 5,500 men. May they all RIP, may each Free Lebanese RIP. But my point here is that no one should over-react or over-show what they've done. Just like they've given men against Israeli's, many others have given men away to protect our country.

    I really don't care about Saad speeches. Though with time he'll learn. Plus no man in this world will ever replace the big man Rafik Hariri, no one. But he still got lot of time.

    All what I care for is to see my country the way I always wanted it to be. Free, civilized like it has always been, tourists all over the world in our country like the good old days. and to build a future, you either need to move to Iran or give up the idea that Beirut will turn into Tehran one day.

    Thats my honest opinion
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    :tup:

    That's what we all want.
     

    Azzurri7

    Pinturicchio
    Moderator
    Dec 16, 2003
    72,692
    Good post...I'll reply to you once I'm back home.

    And btw, wasn't directing the blind thing at you...i was trying to say that i'm not biased in general to criticize Hezbollah.
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
    12,645
    I'm sorry but after hearing the news after what these fucking Christians are doing, I have to go with Nasrallah here. I dont have names of people but whatever but this is what I've heard. Seriously, if you guys want Lebanon to be a puppet of American Democrats, it's your choice. Clearly, Nasrallah is a genious, and a religious one. It's that simple, if the people/Nasrallah want to talk first before putting the president in power, then it should be done, but if the Maronites want arrangements and the president to be put in power now, then it's not going to work.

    Part of the parliament which arranged this idea deserved to be hanged, they don't have balls at all. Shiaa's are also in the parliament and deserve to veto any vote that is given to them, I stand my ground.
     

    rounder

    Blindman
    Jun 13, 2007
    7,233
    I'm sorry but after hearing the news after what these fucking Christians are doing, I have to go with Nasrallah here. I dont have names of people but whatever but this is what I've heard. Seriously, if you guys want Lebanon to be a puppet of American Democrats, it's your choice. Clearly, Nasrallah is a genious, and a religious one. It's that simple, if the people/Nasrallah want to talk first before putting the president in power, then it should be done, but if the Maronites want arrangements and the president to be put in power now, then it's not going to work.

    Part of the parliament which arranged this idea deserved to be hanged, they don't have balls at all. Shiaa's are also in the parliament and deserve to veto any vote that is given to them, I stand my ground.
    It's hardly the Christians that are against Nasrallah FYI. Sleiman Frangieh and Micheal Aoun are both Christian leaders that are Hezballah's allies. The Lebansese forces are the only Christian group that is anti-Nasrallah. It's not the maronitesthat want a president put in power now, it's Jumblaat that wants that.
     

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