The Lebanese political crisis!!! (8 Viewers)

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Of course it isn't that easy. I'm just saying Hezzeb'Allah is going nowhere.
Exactly, but the could have, would have argument was inaccurate. If it was as easy as the Lebanese government shooing Hezballa out of the country, it would already have been done.
 

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Exactly, but the could have, would have argument was inaccurate. If it was as easy as the Lebanese government shooing Hezballa out of the country, it would already have been done.
But that's why they couldn't. Hezzeb'Allah are too strong and have too many supporters. So if the Lebanese government could have destroyed them, they would have already. That's all I'm saying. But they're a mainstay in the Middle East for good.
 
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    I'm afraid Andy is right, it's a matter of time where they take over the country. It is crystal clear that it's their objective. Freedom fighting is bullshit that not even Moggi can sell.
     

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    But that's why they couldn't. Hezzeb'Allah are too strong and have too many supporters. So if the Lebanese government could have destroyed them, they would have already. That's all I'm saying. But they're a mainstay in the Middle East for good.
    I misread your post. I thought you were saying the Lebanese government wanted Hezballa. Which isn't true. Yeah, Hezballa are too powerful to move out of the country. They are definitely a mainstay considering they hide behind civilians and don't piss Israel off to badly.
     
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    I misread your post. I thought you were saying the Lebanese government wanted Hezballa. Which isn't true. Yeah, Hezballa are too powerful to move out of the country. They are definitely a mainstay considering they hide behind civilians and don't piss Israel off to badly.
    But they can piss off Israel and they can do it in a very extreme way.
     

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    Well isn't it obvious that Hezballa want the good for Lebanon? Just when the situation has been calm for a while and people booked their flights to Lebanon, Mr. Nasralla zabri decides that the country is his. I would really like to hear the opinion of those who support those infidel bastards.
    This party shouldn't be called Hezb Allah no more, this is one dirty Militia. They're fighting the government because President Sanyoura is putting an end to them.

    Why they always have to close the airport? Why they always have to close the roads when they want to protest? Why can't they be civilized in doing that? Oh I forgot, Syria is having their back like usually.

    Lebanese International Airport isn't Israel you cowards.

    Today more than any other day, It has been clear that Hezbollah isn't a Lebanese party. They're a militia trying to kill the civilians.
     

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    All this started when our Government cought some hidden cameras at the airport set by Hezbollah....This lead to President Sanioura into taking action and replacing the Chief Security of the Airport whom was Pro opposition.

    Hezbollah considered this as a challenge to them and look what they've done.
     

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    Thank you Hassan Nasrallah, thank you for always repeating your bullshit statements on how you should protect your country. Thank you for all your lies when you said you'll never use Hezbollah weapons inside the country against any Lebanese civilian.

    Thank you for being a syrian iranian puppet

    oh and thank you for scaring 1year old girl
     

    Snoop

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    IMO The only solution is to divide the country. South Lebanon and North Lebanon, or do the other way, keep killing each others.
     

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    I'm afraid Andy is right, it's a matter of time where they take over the country. It is crystal clear that it's their objective. Freedom fighting is bullshit that not even Moggi can sell.
    It's sad, but I am right. Like I said, if the Lebanese government could have, they would have. But they can't for various reasons, from exposure to political influence. Anybody who thinks Hezzeb'Allah can be defeated by the Lebanese government needs to recall history... they would have back in the day.

    I misread your post. I thought you were saying the Lebanese government wanted Hezballa. Which isn't true. Yeah, Hezballa are too powerful to move out of the country. They are definitely a mainstay considering they hide behind civilians and don't piss Israel off to badly.
    I don't think you misread my post Eazy. I cannot argue against the "woulda" "shoulda" argument because that's the truth.

    The Lebanese cannot handle Hezzeb'Allah. And that's a fact. And that's the reason why we are still talking about them.
     

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    Hezb Allah have more power than the Lebanese government itself. That's no secret. If Nasrallah wants something done, you can bet your ass it will be done.

    I fear a potential civil war. If our country wasn't torn apart already, this potential war will definitely confirm it. That sad thing is, 80 percent of this fucking population can't think for themselves. They are just slaves to their political leaders and will blindly follow any command they get.

    Lebanon is so fucking corrupt it's painful.
     
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    Beirut - For the second straight day, Hezbollah has turned back the clock on Lebanon twenty years. Masked militia gunmen continue to patrol the streets and exchange gunfire, and the Beirut International Airport remains closed.

    The Hezbollah-led protesters continued with their apparent coup d'etat, by blocking the road to the Rafik Hariri International airport.

    Reports have also emerged that the Masnaa road which connects Lebanon by land to Syria has been blocked. This virtually isolates Lebanon completely from the rest of the world.

    Pro-government activists have reportedly blocked the the Masnaa road in retaliation for the blocking of the airport road by Hezbollah.

    Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah, is expected to hold a news conference via video link later in the day in response to the measures the government took against his group

    In a cabinet meeting on Monday that lasted till early Tuesday, the government declared the Hezbollah communications network as illegal and called for its elimination. The cabinet also fired the Lebanese security chief General Shuccair at the airport for collaborating with the Shiite Hezbollah movement in the case of the spying at the Beirut airport. Shuccair, who is also a Shiite, refused to abide by the government decision and returned to work at the airport.

    Hezbollah protesters continued to burn tires to block the main roads. They also used the garbage containers to block the roads by setting them on fire.

    The violence started early morning Wednesday ahead of the planned protest by the labor union for higher wages. According to eyewitnesses Hezbollah used the occasion to try and bring down the government.

    Six people were reported wounded in the Beqaa region (Saadnayel-Taalbaya), near the eastern town of Chtaura as the protest escalated into shootouts between government and opposition supporters. One of the wounded died later at the hospital

    Hezbollah Roadblocks


    * Dahr el-Baidar road is closed

    * Mdoukha-Kefraya road in Western Beqaa is closed

    * Lebanese army troops closed all roads between Shiyah and Ein el-Rummaneh, the former demarcation line between Christian and Muslim areas and where the 1975-90 civil war began.

    * Beqaa and Deir Zanoun road in Baalbek remains closed

    * All roads blocked by Hezbollah protesters on Wednesday remain closed

    * Hezbollah protestors blocked Salim Salam bridge with cement barricades


    The army and riot police manned checkpoints throughout the city and blocked several roads while many schools and businesses in the capital remained shut for the second straight day.

    Armed Hezbollah and Amal supporters, many hooded or masked, were seen in several areas of Beirut.



    Lebanon's national airline MEA has announced that all outgoing flights had been cancelled until at least 4:00 Beirut time, but it was unclear whether normal traffic would resume after that.

    One flight to London reportedly left Beirut early on Thursday.
     
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    The bastard has spoken!!!!! Fucking moron!!!

    Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah spoke to his supporters currently rioting across Lebanon on Thursday.

    Rather than calling for calm, Nasrallah accused the government of seeking to change Beirut airport into a base for the CIA, FBI and Israeli Mossad.

    "The dark decisions by the black government give us the right to chop off the hand that stretches a hand towards the communications network," Nasrallah vowed.

    Transcript of Nasrallah's Speech

    The government must know that it has led Lebanon into a dangerous situation. I will speak of many issues as they are.

    The first topic is the communication network, then the issue of airport security Chief Shoukair and the hanging crisis.

    Throughout history, all combat has used signs. The communications network is a logistic means for us to use inside signs.

    The problem with a regular communications network is that it can be tapped.
    Another problem is that a regular communication can be bombed.

    The resistance cannot own hi-tech arms... The best means to face high technology is simplification

    Our communication network is a regular telephone network, and is... the most important weapon in any resistance.

    In the July War, our strongest point was control because communication between leadership and field battles was secure, and this was confessed by the enemy.

    We are not a disciplined army; this is how we ensured success.

    Many of our members died as martyrs because of landline and mobile phone communications.

    The most important request of Winograd was to [hit] the communication of Hezbollah.
    This network is neither new nor modern. It was updated, it's true.

    I want to remind them that when we entered the government, we (the government) released a statement saying the network was part of the resistance.

    After Winograd, Welch's promise of a "hot summer"... they opened this as a new dossier, despite the fact that when we were in dialogue we had begun to agree on the matter.

    This is an important detail: there was a cable connecting Dahiya to West Beirut, which we were told was making certain people uncomfortable, and we agreed.

    This is a new phase... there are bets on new wars which were lost... hence, they re-opened the network issue.

    We do not want to fight with our arms; that is not the aim.

    They accused us of extended the network through Kesrouan and Jbeil; this is untrue.

    We do not need a land-network in Jbeil and Kesrouan. They then accused us of the North, and we said we do not need it. They then targeted the line between Dahiyeh and the South.

    We met all their demands and reassured all their fears, and so they said the network was causing the government to lose money.

    They then said the network could be used for international intelligence; we said that this was a sin and a waste of public money. They looked into the matter, and it was resolved.
    They then asked for a compromise: end the sit-in downtown, and we will overlook the network.

    We ask, if we fulfill this, suddenly the network is not illegal and not a waste of public money? This is not a government; this is a gang. We told them that was blackmail.
    We told them the network was part of the resistance, but the sit-in was an opposition movement and hence not under our control anyway.

    (Our network) is related to defending the country against Israel.

    I have learned, through experiences, that we should not say the Siniora government. Siniora is a poor man, an employee. We should say the government of Walid Jumblatt. When Jumblatt wants to remove the airport security chief, he does.

    This decision is a declaration of war by Jumblatt on the resistance and its arms for the benefit of the US.

    This decision has uncovered the truth behind this team and their loyalties and behavior during the July War. This decision aims to destroy the infrastructure of the resistance and the ruling team is therefore implicated in the assassinations.

    Today this team is pushing the army and security forces into direct confrontation with the resistance.

    The government is a cover for Terje Roed-Larsen and UNSCR 1559. That is its basic description.

    We have the right to defend our existence from whoever declares and begin a war on us, even if they are our brothers.

    The network is part of the resistance.

    I said, before Jumblatt, that any hand that reaches for the resistance and its arms will be cut off. Israel tried that in the July War, and we cut its hand off.

    We do not advise you to try us.

    Whoever is going to target us will be targeted by us. Whoever is going to shoot at us will be shot by us.

    Let's look into who is really harming the people and stealing their money. Unfortunately, this is the government. Jumblatt acknowledges this openly on TV.

    Jumblatt is a liar and a killer. He sits up there and draws red lines, and the martyrs and people who defended Lebanon will be handed over to the courts. This is not a government, this is a gang.

    The second issue is the airport. It is not about Brigadier General Wafik Shoukeir. It is entitled Wafik Shoukeir. We were asked to replace him.

    Shoukair is not an Amal or Hezbollah member. He is the son of a national institution, who was raised to follow the law and not a 'zaim.'

    Former President Emile Lahoud refused to sign this request, and so they turned to alternate means. We will not allow the airport to serve the CIA and Mossad, point blank.
    Sheikh Qabalan is not defending a Shia, but a national officer. If the military institution falls apart, there is nothing left of this country.

    The issue is much greater than the surveillance camera and Wafik Shoukair... The decision was made in Moukhtara and the employees had to carry it out.

    Shoukair was not given the chance to defend himself. This is how a gang works.

    The third and final issue is the current crisis. Who pushed the country into this crisis? They did. We are patient. We were fought, and we were patient.

    When they made their decisions, they created the current crisis. We are in a new phase. Am I declaring war? Not at all. I am declaring oppression and self-defense.

    We will not be killed in the streets. We will not be shot at. We will not accept for our resistance and military to be targeted.

    I want to tell the Lebanese people... and the Arab and Islamic people... that we did not see this emotion and enthusiasm when Israel destroyed 100,000 homes and the country's infrastructure.

    If the fight were over the government, we would have had a regular protest. We are not fighting for that. All this talk of power and coups has no value. The point is that there is a team serving the US to do what the US and Israel failed to do, and that is strip us of the resistance's arms.

    We do not need anyone's help. I am not asking for anything but understanding. I am asking for the sympathy of the Arab people. I tell you, we are not afraid of Sunni-Shia sedition. We are not going to use arms. End of story.

    The issue is that there is an American plan that we are fighting against. This is the nature of the crisis. There is no need for fear.

    Sectarian sedition is out of the question, and we will not use our arms to take power by force. It will only be used to defend our arms.

    After the July War, we were exposed to a billion-dollar smearing campaign. "Hezbollah is Iranian, Hezbollah is Syrian..."

    Our image was not smeared, however, for our image is as bright as the sun and cannot be damaged.

    Even if we disagree politically, we are brothers... There will be no Sunni-Shia strife in Lebanon.

    This is our description of the current phase, which was created by Jumblatt's government and the government of Condoleezza Rice.

    There are two options. In the one hand, we have the chance to go to Speaker Berri's dialogue table. On the other hand - and I've said this inside Hezbollah - we would never take over the government, even if we were invited to so, for we cannot build the country alone.

    We do not want to attack anyone or start a revolution.

    If we wanted to stage a coup, you would have woken up this morning in prison, or in the middle of the sea. We do not want that. It is a political issue, with a political solution through early elections.

    To exit this crisis, the illegitimate government's decisions must be revoked and we must head for dialogue.

    Obstinacy will have another solution.

    [Question from a NEW TV correspondent] You usually keep your promises, and today you promise to cut off hands... If you are going to defend your arms by cutting off hands, will the nation die and the resistance live? Secondly, you say the government made the decision for war. But when the opposition responds, it only uses the street... There are those who expect the airport to be renamed the Hassan Nasrallah International airport

    Nasrallah: Our response was not a military revolution. Yes, we hit the streets, protested, cut off roads and blocked the airport. This is civil disobedience as it occurs in any country. We did not occupy Beirut, as some people are chanting, nor do we want to attack anyone. But we were shot at in the street, and we shot back. We did not shoot at the government's decision.... Secondly, who will the government send to destroy our communication network? The army and ISF. I will not fight the army and ISF... so we went to the street to fight this decision... The issue of the roads and the airport will be dealt with day by day. I do not want to unveil any scenarios. The government was afraid of our arms.

    Unlike what Berlusconi is saying, that he will have to change the rules of engagement, we and the UNIFIL are cooperating totally and we have not changed our policy in that sense.

    I hope that our brothers in Saudi Arabia will not make the same mistake they made in the July War... in our internal issues, they should not be partisan. The route to a solution is quite obvious. We do not want to take over power, nor do we want to start a coup.

    This struggle is between an honorable resistance, which is endorsed by Arabs and Muslims, and the United States and its allies.

    The Security Council has been given a new article by the Jumblatt government, so I am not really concerned with its hearing today... It protects the unparalleled monstrous state of Israel. No, it is not certain that we are headed for a July 2008. We were not calling for civilian disobedience. Then a war was declared against us. When the declaration ends, the disobedience ends.

    If they make the decision to stop the war, what's the problem? We can head back to dialogue when they revoke their decisions. They made a mistake by making so many decision all at once... but this uncovered the truth behind them. We cherish the security and peace of our country, and we say that dialogue is the way to a solution.

    We are a guarantee against civil war; Amal is a guarantee against civil war; the Sunni spiritual leaders are a guarantee against civil war. I want to tell the Future Movement that no one is here to cancel you out. Walid Jumblatt's dream is Sunni-Shia strife. We will not fulfill his dream.

    We will stand by our allies who stood by us in the elections... We refuse to escalate the situation into civil war, but this requires cooperation.

    We are being attacked... Today, I have the honor to say that I am on Bush's blacklist, and Olmert has condemned me to be executed. The third decision is the Jumblatt government's decision.

    We do not want to change the structure of Lebanon, and we are committed to the Taif Accord.

    The Army Command's recent statement reveals its awareness of the situation.

    All I ask from the Arab and Islamic world is understanding... and that they not be swept into the smearing. There is a bet that the face of the region will change if Israel attacks Lebanon. I know what we have, who we have, and our capacities... After Mugniyah's death, I warned Israel against invading Lebanon. I have stationed five militant groups on the border, and they are still there for protection... I promised the Arab and Islamic world that I would not launch war with or on anyone.
     

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