The Lebanese political crisis!!! (6 Viewers)
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I know that the disaster is extremely painful to all the Lebanese as well as the Palestinians. The Lebanese for having all this mess over their land and the Palestinians for being accused of a crime they didn't commit or even share in it. Yet, there is still a similarity between both, they have lots of victims.
On what reasons did I base my conclusion of the Palestinians being innocents? The answer is Fatah Islam itself. There is a fact that must be fathomed first of all, Fatah and Hamas aren't based on religious ideologies and there is no reason behind them being involved in such barbarian attacks in Nahr Al Bared, on the contrary, this would strike the Palestinian case in the heart and would for sure explode any credibility of the Palestinians, not just in Lebanon but in front of the entire world. Also, Hezballah can't make it, simply because they wouldn't benefit from killing their people. Furthermore and most importantly, Hezballah have no specific targets in the North of Lebanon, in fact their existence in the North isn't that effective when compared to the south, which they unarguably control every inch of it. Even though, the silence of El-Sayyed Nasrallah without any official statement is mysterious. But they aren't behind what happened.
Back to Fateh Islam, Fateh Islam is originally based on a radical religious ideology which is the same as the ideology of El Tawheed wel Hegra in Egypt and Goned El Sham in Syria (By the way, this is a different ideology to the Hezballah's, and most importantly it opposes the ideology of the Shiite Hezballah completely). There is a very obvious connection between the three religious organisations too, they have used the same tactics; they attack civilians and they're expert in street wars, hence, they have the same mentality. So, what prevents them from being smaller organsations in a bigger one which is responsible of giving orders and instructions. Consequently, I can't see that Al-Qaeda isn't away from what is happening in Lebanon. The existence of Al-Qaeda in Lebanon before 2005 wasn't by any mean effective, but their targets in the Middle East are well known. Therefore, they must have founded an organisation there to serve their fundamental aims. On another note, I can't leave Iran out of the circle of the event. Iran has the same target as Al-Qaeda, despite the opposing ideologies that I've mentioned. Someone can ask if Iran is involved why didn't they do this through Hezballah? Obviously because again Hezballah are Lebanese and its existence in the North is nothing (existence here means power, soldiers and heavy weapons).
As for the coming few days, I hope the truce will prevail in the camp until Fateh Islam give up, as I'm sure that neither Fateh nor Hamas can cease the clash if it takes place again, in spite of what we heard of the Palestinian leaders. As for the Lebanese army, I know what is happening can't be shouldered but the reaction of the army till now was random more than being organised.
On what reasons did I base my conclusion of the Palestinians being innocents? The answer is Fatah Islam itself. There is a fact that must be fathomed first of all, Fatah and Hamas aren't based on religious ideologies and there is no reason behind them being involved in such barbarian attacks in Nahr Al Bared, on the contrary, this would strike the Palestinian case in the heart and would for sure explode any credibility of the Palestinians, not just in Lebanon but in front of the entire world. Also, Hezballah can't make it, simply because they wouldn't benefit from killing their people. Furthermore and most importantly, Hezballah have no specific targets in the North of Lebanon, in fact their existence in the North isn't that effective when compared to the south, which they unarguably control every inch of it. Even though, the silence of El-Sayyed Nasrallah without any official statement is mysterious. But they aren't behind what happened.
Back to Fateh Islam, Fateh Islam is originally based on a radical religious ideology which is the same as the ideology of El Tawheed wel Hegra in Egypt and Goned El Sham in Syria (By the way, this is a different ideology to the Hezballah's, and most importantly it opposes the ideology of the Shiite Hezballah completely). There is a very obvious connection between the three religious organisations too, they have used the same tactics; they attack civilians and they're expert in street wars, hence, they have the same mentality. So, what prevents them from being smaller organsations in a bigger one which is responsible of giving orders and instructions. Consequently, I can't see that Al-Qaeda isn't away from what is happening in Lebanon. The existence of Al-Qaeda in Lebanon before 2005 wasn't by any mean effective, but their targets in the Middle East are well known. Therefore, they must have founded an organisation there to serve their fundamental aims. On another note, I can't leave Iran out of the circle of the event. Iran has the same target as Al-Qaeda, despite the opposing ideologies that I've mentioned. Someone can ask if Iran is involved why didn't they do this through Hezballah? Obviously because again Hezballah are Lebanese and its existence in the North is nothing (existence here means power, soldiers and heavy weapons).
As for the coming few days, I hope the truce will prevail in the camp until Fateh Islam give up, as I'm sure that neither Fateh nor Hamas can cease the clash if it takes place again, in spite of what we heard of the Palestinian leaders. As for the Lebanese army, I know what is happening can't be shouldered but the reaction of the army till now was random more than being organised.
Ahmedios,
How do you expect our Army to react? Just sit there and watch, while Fateh try and take over?
Speaking of which, these Fateh people are sooo ready to go to war. For them, war-fare is a way of life. It's all about the path to martyr-dom and eventually the gates of Heaven to be immediately opened up.
This is part of Al-Qaeda psychology/brainwash that people don't understand. And these men are recruited at a young age. They are told that they are fighting an eternal holy war because Islam is threatened by the west, and that they should act now, before the west takes over Islamic countries etc. citing Israel and USA as prime sources of evil.
This is an ultra-fanatical ideology that has to be seriously controlled.
And by the way, Rabea, not that I'm the biggest Bashar supporter or anything (on the contrary I can't f*cking stand him or his father) - but if the Bashar regime goes down in Syria, Lebanon border will be uncontrollable.....imagine if there's a security/mokhabarat breakdown in Syria whereby they turn their backs on each other...Lord knows what'll happen only........
How do you expect our Army to react? Just sit there and watch, while Fateh try and take over?
Speaking of which, these Fateh people are sooo ready to go to war. For them, war-fare is a way of life. It's all about the path to martyr-dom and eventually the gates of Heaven to be immediately opened up.
This is part of Al-Qaeda psychology/brainwash that people don't understand. And these men are recruited at a young age. They are told that they are fighting an eternal holy war because Islam is threatened by the west, and that they should act now, before the west takes over Islamic countries etc. citing Israel and USA as prime sources of evil.
This is an ultra-fanatical ideology that has to be seriously controlled.
And by the way, Rabea, not that I'm the biggest Bashar supporter or anything (on the contrary I can't f*cking stand him or his father) - but if the Bashar regime goes down in Syria, Lebanon border will be uncontrollable.....imagine if there's a security/mokhabarat breakdown in Syria whereby they turn their backs on each other...Lord knows what'll happen only........
Ahmed,
Fatah & Hamas don't have any authority in that camp, and they had nothing to do with stopping the attack on the camp. The truce was done after the interference of an intermediary in Tripoli. This intermediary was Al-Tawheed Islamic Movement which is a non-extremist sunni Lebanese movement.
Fatah & Hamas can't stop their own mercenary fighters in Gaza. How could they affect the situation in Nahr Al Bared Camp?
Ahmed & Vinny, There are no Shiite Palestinians at all.
Vinny, there are christian palestinians as well. Using the logic you used in your post, those Palestinians would love to see Greece occupying them just because they have the same religion.
Anyway, I don't say that there are no Palestinians who help Fatah Al-Islam, but certainly the majority of civilians have no relationship with the whole thing.
Fatah & Hamas don't have any authority in that camp, and they had nothing to do with stopping the attack on the camp. The truce was done after the interference of an intermediary in Tripoli. This intermediary was Al-Tawheed Islamic Movement which is a non-extremist sunni Lebanese movement.
Fatah & Hamas can't stop their own mercenary fighters in Gaza. How could they affect the situation in Nahr Al Bared Camp?
Ahmed & Vinny, There are no Shiite Palestinians at all.
Vinny, there are christian palestinians as well. Using the logic you used in your post, those Palestinians would love to see Greece occupying them just because they have the same religion.
Anyway, I don't say that there are no Palestinians who help Fatah Al-Islam, but certainly the majority of civilians have no relationship with the whole thing.
On a more serious note, all these problems stem back to one major issue, Palestinian rights. Palestinians in Lebanon are not allowed to work, not allowed to go to public schools, not allowed to be admitted at public hospitals, not allowed to vote, not allowed to own property such as houses, not allowed to open a business.
Basically they are not allowed to have a normal life.
I'm a Palestinian living in Lebanon and I am very fortunate to have found a job, even though I never declare myself as being Palestinian when applying for jobs.
These Palestinians are living without hope, they are forced to take care of themselves, they are forced to carry arms to protect themselves cos no one will protect them, even the Government. And people ask for the Palestinians to lay down their guns! Why on earth would they do that? These guns are the only thing that gives them a sense of protection and some empowerment.
For those who don't know, there is a 40 year old "agreement" that the Lebanese government has no say about what goes on in the camps. That is what worries me the most, its that the Government have forgotten about these people and now are shocked when shit like this happens. I'm not saying that the acts of Fateh are justified, I am disgusted by the attack on the army and I am so frustrated that the answers are easier than it's made out to be.
It has become so easy for someone to commit a crime in this country, all they have to do is hide in one of the Palestinian refugee camps.
My Solution:
Nationalize all Palestinians in Lebanon. Make them Lebanese, make them feel that they are a part of Lebanon rather than Lebanon's dirty little secret. Give them all the rights a Lebanese has. That way when the gov asks them to lay down their guns, at least they can argue that now that they are Lebanese they dont need the guns, they have the army to protect them.
As long as the Palestinians feel isolated they will continue to welcome terrorist groups like Fateh into their homes cos at the end of day desperation is the scariest thing in the world.
Basically they are not allowed to have a normal life.
I'm a Palestinian living in Lebanon and I am very fortunate to have found a job, even though I never declare myself as being Palestinian when applying for jobs.
These Palestinians are living without hope, they are forced to take care of themselves, they are forced to carry arms to protect themselves cos no one will protect them, even the Government. And people ask for the Palestinians to lay down their guns! Why on earth would they do that? These guns are the only thing that gives them a sense of protection and some empowerment.
For those who don't know, there is a 40 year old "agreement" that the Lebanese government has no say about what goes on in the camps. That is what worries me the most, its that the Government have forgotten about these people and now are shocked when shit like this happens. I'm not saying that the acts of Fateh are justified, I am disgusted by the attack on the army and I am so frustrated that the answers are easier than it's made out to be.
It has become so easy for someone to commit a crime in this country, all they have to do is hide in one of the Palestinian refugee camps.
My Solution:
Nationalize all Palestinians in Lebanon. Make them Lebanese, make them feel that they are a part of Lebanon rather than Lebanon's dirty little secret. Give them all the rights a Lebanese has. That way when the gov asks them to lay down their guns, at least they can argue that now that they are Lebanese they dont need the guns, they have the army to protect them.
As long as the Palestinians feel isolated they will continue to welcome terrorist groups like Fateh into their homes cos at the end of day desperation is the scariest thing in the world.
But by nationalizing them, would that really solve the problem? They will forever hold true to their Palestinian roots and as you've said before the likes of Fatah al-Islam don't care about Lebanon. So how would making the innocent Palestinians feel more welcome solve anything?
I'm sure many Palestinians don't want to be Lebanese anyway..
I'm sure many Palestinians don't want to be Lebanese anyway..