The Lebanese political crisis!!! (31 Viewers)

[Slagathor]

Away from the official meaning of the Israeli flag, you said "that there are some hardcore Zionists that would love". No, Israel foundation has been living on that hidden theory and they are trying as possible as they can and by any mean to achieve it year after year.

There is no difference between Zionists and hardcore Zionists. The only difference is that Zionists have some political tricks to depend on, whereas the hardcore ones are very aggressive and they do prefer taking bloody actions immediately, but at the end the target is the same.

You can check the difference here.

See, that's paranoia

 

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[Ahmedios]

See, that's paranoia

What a comment!!!

Thanks doctor.

 

[ReBeL]

See, that's paranoia

But it is a jewish site. Not an Arabic one...

 

[Slagathor]

But it is a jewish site. Not an Arabic one...

So? I know it's easy to fall back on simple generalising thinking patterns ("They are all the same"), I do it too sometimes. But I think we can agree that's not the finest world view.

As for Zionists aiming to grab the land between the Nile and Euphrate: I don't mean to insult anyone (remember I'm not an Israel supporter per sé) but the Arab military power is rather... pathetic. Just look at the various wars in the '60s and '70s. If Israel wanted to grab all that land, they could've done it already.

So riddle me this: why haven't they yet?

 

[ReBeL]

So?

I thought you were talking about Arab Paranoia because of that site...

 

[Ahmedios]

So?

So, have you ever heard about The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? It is well known to anyone who wants to know the abstract aims and philosophy of Zionism.

Check them here.

Note: these sites aren't Arabic sites but they European and American ones.

Edit: Translation of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" from the Russian by Victor E. Marsden. The original document appears to be lecture notes produced around 1897.

 

[Slagathor]

So, have you ever heard about The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? It is well known to anyone who wants to know the abstract aims and philosophy of Zionism.

Check them here.

Note: these sites aren't Arabic sites but they European and American ones.

Is that supposed to convince me of something? Because we have plenty of idiots here too

 

[Ahmedios]

As for Zionists aiming to grab the land between the Nile and Euphrate: I don't mean to insult anyone (remember I'm not an Israel supporter per sé) but the Arab military power is rather... pathetic. Just look at the various wars in the '60s and '70s. If Israel wanted to grab all that land, they could've done it already.

Just in the '60s and not in the '70s. A fact that none can deny.

If you want to discuss the history of our wars with the Zionist entity, so I'm willing.

 

[ReBeL]

So? I know it's easy to fall back on simple generalising thinking patterns ("They are all the same"), I do it too sometimes. But I think we can agree that's not the finest world view.

As for Zionists aiming to grab the land between the Nile and Euphrate: I don't mean to insult anyone (remember I'm not an Israel supporter per sé) but the Arab military power is rather... pathetic. Just look at the various wars in the '60s and '70s. If Israel wanted to grab all that land, they could've done it already.

So riddle me this: why haven't they yet?

Ok, that's a valid question, but do you think that 3 million Zionists would rule all that area by themselves??

They simply didn't have enough PEOPLE to do it, not because they love peace...

In addition, Arab leaders were of a great help to them by shutting up their Arab people until all Arabs became nothing but sheep in their lands (And I don't say I'm not one of those sheep)...

 

[Slagathor]

Ok, that's a valid question, but do you think that 3 million Zionists would rule all that area by themselves??

They simply didn't have enough PEOPLE to do it, not because they love peace...

They could have just killed everyone, couldn't they? In fact, if they are really that evil, they would have.

In addition, Arab leaders were of a great help to them by shutting up their Arab people until all Arabs became nothing but sheep in their lands (And I don't say I'm not one of those sheep)...

Well let's not open that can of worms. Arab leaders hardly seem to be willing to stand up for their people indeed...

Just in the '60s and not in the '70s. A fact that none can deny.

If you want to discuss the history of our wars with the Zionist entity, so I'm willing.

No let's not. This is the Lebanon thread after all, we shouldn't go off topic.

 

[Ahmedios]

Is that supposed to convince me of something? Because we have plenty of idiots here too

I'm not here to convince you, you aren't the one who is going to solve the whole issue. I'm just expressing my ideology, that's all. None has forced you to read the thing that you don't want to read. I prefer to say End of discussion.

 

[Slagathor]

I did read it. Still am, actually.

 

[ReBeL]

They could have just killed everyone, couldn't they? In fact, if they are really that evil, they would have.

How would they kill everyone??

 

[Ahmedios]

Right, I guess the different Lebanese members here, namely Jacques and Azzurri7 have their view points, which by all means, I respect. One must always have to see the other perspective in order to understand the complete situation.

I am in no way shy to say that I am a Hezballah supporter. That doesn’t mean I believe evvverything they’ve done in the past has been spot-on and correct. OTOH, they are a Lebanese party that address the Lebanese people. Their Leader Hassan Nasrallah, openly admits to receiving arms from Syria and Iran in order to protect themselves from the Zionist enemy that occupied a part of our beloved 10452 km2.

How DARE people accuse Hezballah as being non-Lebanese, when it was THEM who fought for our occupied territories. Where were the Christian-led militia the Lebanese Forces when Lebanon was being occupied? Bashir Gemayel was sipping coffee in Jounieh (north of Beirut) with none other than Ariel Sharon.

This same Samir Geagea who in bizarre fashion is embraced by Saad Hariri. Does Saad forget father’s legacy? The massive PR campaigns during the 1990s about Sabra and Chatila massacres, the freedom of Palestine, occupied Lebanon? All that has gone down the drain, just so he can ally with a criminal in Samir Geagea who himself wanted the division of Lebanon, ex-Yugoslavia-style? How do you expect me to trust these guys?

What does Syria want with Israel? Golan Heights. Do you see Hezballah fighters going down there? No.

What does Iran want with Israel? Wiping them off the face of the Earth. Do you see Hezballah launching nukes into Israel?

Another point, I’d like to make – Hezballah have allied themselves with a large group of Christians in Lebanon who support a certain Michel Aoun, who himself fought a Liberation war against Syria in 1989-1990.

You want to tell me all of those Christians would give up their passports for Iran and Syria? Hezballah’s move was an act of friendship and to prove to the Lebanese people that they are addressing all the religions and sects in the country. They want to eliminate corruption in our government.

And Azzurri, as much as I hate Bashar’s regime, but believe me if he is toppled and his tight security is broken down, then Lebanon is f*cked. We’d be welcoming in Zarqawi and Bin Laden’s men with open arms. Just look at Iraq.

Regarding the current demonstrations – I’ll be the first to criticize: Where are the jobless youth b*tching about their poor lifestyle and the nepotism + corrupt beauraucracies? Where are the poor villagers crying out about how they sleep hungry every night? Why aren’t they calling for a revolution and listing their reasons for this?

They all went down JUST because Hassan Nasralla told them too. Unfortunately, this is the case for most of these people, but on the other hand you have the Aounists who have a detailed political agenda that addresses such issues. I wish we could see a more powerful and emotional opposition movement such as Ukraine’s Yuschenko, or the guy opposing Hugo Chavez in Venezuela (his name slips me for the moment!)

I trust Hezballah, and Hassan Nasralla because he is a man of his word, and does what he says. He has nothing to hide. I am very disappointed at the Christians of Lebanon who cheer for an idiot and criminal like Samir Geagea. There are much MUCH more competent Christian leaders than him. 3ayb…(shame)

Exactly my thought.

I think that reviving that post is a good step.

I'm fed up running inside that closed circule every time I open that thread. No one hasn't convinced anyone from the opposite camp with his views and it seems that there is no winner in that thread.

 

[mnementh]

peace with Israel.

Tell the Israelis just to leave the Arab land. Israel wont stop till they take over the land between the Nile and Euphrates. Man that is the meaning of their flag.

no, that's not the meaning of the flag. That's just another antisemitic myth by stupid people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#.22Nile_to_Euphrates.22_controversy

And if this is Israel's goal why did Israel give away the Sinai pensisula which is 3 times larger than Israel? again, people should not be stupid. And shouldn't call the entire world arab land either.

 

[mnementh]

So, have you ever heard about The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? It is well known to anyone who wants to know the abstract aims and philosophy of Zionism.

Check them here.

Note: these sites aren't Arabic sites but they European and American ones.

Edit: Translation of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" from the Russian by Victor E. Marsden. The original document appears to be lecture notes produced around 1897.

Thanks for proving the antisemitism thing so clearly. You're easier than I thought.
For a minute there, I actually thought you had some serious points to argue and wouldn't present yourself as a prime candidate for the Ku Klux Klan or whatever. Goregous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов", or "Сионские протоколы", see also other titles) is an antisemitic literary forgery that purports to describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination.

Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a plagiarism and a hoax"

and people wonder what the conflict is all about.

 

[Ahmedios]

no, that's not the meaning of the flag. That's just another antisemitic myth by stupid people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#.22Nile_to_Euphrates.22_controversy

And if this is Israel's goal why did Israel give away the Sinai pensisula which is 3 times larger than Israel? again, people should not be stupid. And shouldn't call the entire world arab land either.

Why are all your evidences based on the same site; Wikipedia?

 

[Ahmedios]

Thanks for proving the antisemitism thing so clearly. You're easier than I thought.
For a minute there, I actually thought you had some serious points to argue and wouldn't present yourself as a prime candidate for the Ku Klux Klan or whatever. Goregous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов", or "Сионские протоколы", see also other titles) is an antisemitic literary forgery that purports to describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination.

Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a plagiarism and a hoax"

and people wonder what the conflict is all about.

The same evidence...Brilliant.

Moreover, you've quoted from that site and claim that these are your own words.

 

[mnementh]

Why are all your evidences based on the same site; Wikipedia?

you can check the links provided there you know, lol... it has references. like this http://emperor.vwh.net/antisem/first.pdf http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19200 http://www.reason.com/news/show/27585.html btw: "So, check what is written on the entrance of the Knesset" - another stupid propaganda just like the flag, in fact explained in same paragraph. You have nothing but stupid lies... next you'll say the 10 Agurot myth right ? You're like a text book of ridicule.

Moreover, you've quoted from that site and claim that these are your own words.

nope I didn't , it's why I put " " and provided the link, not too difficult to understand for a person with more than one digit IQ that is.

 

[Ahmedios]

you can check the links provided there you know, lol... it has references. btw: "So, check what is written on the entrance of the Knesset" - another stupid propaganda just like the flag, in fact explained in same paragraph. You have nothing but stupid lies... next you'll say the 10 Agurot myth right ? You're like a text book of ridicule.

I'm not going to respond to your crappy posts from now onwards because I already expalined everything in the previous pages and I said it before, I'm not here to convince anyone about anything. I posted lots of pages and anyone who is willing to read so that's good and if he doesn't so there is no problem.

And please, try not to go off topic again as you add nothing to the whole debate just insults, mythes and as you've just said ridiculous lies.

nope I didn't , it's why I put " " and provided the link, not too difficult to understand for a person with more than one digit IQ that is.

I didn't mean just your previous post, you always do the same thing when you find nothing to add. I've just checked the first pages of that thread and I observed this.

So, you claim that I'm stupid, anyways, stupidity is far better than vileness and perversity.