The Lebanese political crisis!!! (25 Viewers)

[Rhizoid]

When the truth of Harrir's assasination comes out.

Future and Manar are very biased, i like to watch New TV they seem neutral and are very professional

New TV started out as an anti-Hariri channel, but since his assassination they've toned it down considerably. Their news nowadays is presented in a more critical tone, and they have been very critical of Senioura's government ever since the conflict.

What I do like about them, is their talk shows are very unbiased i.e. they bring members from various sects/parties for debate/interviews etc. They also had "good" (for lack of a better word, nothing good about war) coverage of the war, and weren't at all critical of Hezb "dragging Lebanon" into this mess, as opposed to other channels that seemed to present their news bulletins that way.

 

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[Rhizoid]

And how did Hezballah start this war? Border scuffles were commonplace before and after the 2000 pullout. And Hezb had won their last prisoner deal in similar fashion, why doesn't everyone see that Israel used excessive measures in their onslaught over Lebanon?

Clearly they were pre planning such an attack. You think sonic booms we'd hear for the past decade over Lebanon was Israeli flying just for the hell of it? It was preparation for a military escalation over Lebanon. And we saw what they were capable of in just a few days! Israel doesn't give a sh*t about us, and this was seen during the July war. There was even a small hint of civil war when Lebanese Forces supporters were more than willing to help Israel in this war. The intelligence information that Nasrallah talked about in his speech was most probably provided by Geagea...someone who Senioura openly embraces.

I'm sorry, I don't respect anyone who recognises that criminal. Who the f*ck is Geagea to talk to us about ethics?? And March 14 group have the audacity to applaud him??? And the Sunni Beirutis have begun to refer to him as a zaeem? (leader)

Nothing is f*cking March14 over except for the fact that Aoun chose to ally with Hezballah instead of them.

 

[Boudz]

Nothing is f*cking March14 over except for the fact that Aoun chose to ally with Hezballah instead of them.

I think it was the other way round, March 14 refused to install him as President one day and he went shopping for someone who would.

 

[snoop6]

did anyone see the "fight" between Musbah and Kan3an? that was on LBC marseil's show. it was funny

 

[Azzurri7]

Sateeh, bro, we don't have to get identical viewpoints in our debates...

The most important thing IMO is that each one can explain his viewpoint without hurting others...

Well said....

 

[Azzurri7]

I'm sorry, I don't respect anyone who recognises that criminal. .

You don't respect anyone who recognises that criminal????

Then why are you recognizing Hezbollah since their relationship with other criminals??? you know about whom am talking right???

And lets stop with the criminal thing. You ever followed the haraket amal Vs Hezbollah and how they killed eachothers...???

during the war they were ALL criminals.

 

[Azzurri7]

Edited.

 

[snoop6]

this insulting Pics won't give anything to this "discussion", it will only lead it to trading insults and to "PADLOCK", I know you don't want that, just saying

 

[ReBeL]

this insulting Pics won't give anything to this "discussion", it will only lead it to trading insults and to "PADLOCK", I know you don't want that, just saying

I like Aun's posts, though

 

[Azzurri7]

this insulting Pics won't give anything to this "discussion", it will only lead it to trading insults and to "PADLOCK", I know you don't want that, just saying

Why is it insulting?

 

[JCK]

Yes, he's his baby now and he's willing to be anyone's baby to sit on the damn chair.

 

[snoop6]

Why is it insulting?

nothing at all, they look like a happy family in that pic

 

[Azzurri7]

If you mean It's insulting because he's "Sayyed" religious person, than I'll have to disgree with you. Because he has become more of Politician than a religious person.

I usually don't respect religious man that do enter politics and threats people. His position as "Sayyed" doesn't really allow him to threat and give warning.

But since you think It's insulting, though I don't think It is, I'll remove It... I don't want to be the reason later on this thread is closed because of me.

 

[Joaco]

if hezballah isnt lebanese, are they mexican?

they are friend of the Chupa-cabras

 

[Layce Erayce]

And how did Hezballah start this war? Border scuffles were commonplace before and after the 2000 pullout. And Hezb had won their last prisoner deal in similar fashion, why doesn't everyone see that Israel used excessive measures in their onslaught over Lebanon?

Clearly they were pre planning such an attack. You think sonic booms we'd hear for the past decade over Lebanon was Israeli flying just for the hell of it? It was preparation for a military escalation over Lebanon. And we saw what they were capable of in just a few days! Israel doesn't give a sh*t about us, and this was seen during the July war. There was even a small hint of civil war when Lebanese Forces supporters were more than willing to help Israel in this war. The intelligence information that Nasrallah talked about in his speech was most probably provided by Geagea...someone who Senioura openly embraces.

I'm sorry, I don't respect anyone who recognises that criminal. Who the f*ck is Geagea to talk to us about ethics?? And March 14 group have the audacity to applaud him??? And the Sunni Beirutis have begun to refer to him as a zaeem? (leader)

Nothing is f*cking March14 over except for the fact that Aoun chose to ally with Hezballah instead of them.

I am nobody to say anything, but there has to be some form of evidence to make a claim like that. There is nobody in Israel who wants to attack Lebanon itself. Many knowledgeable Israelis are even understanding of Siniora's (and the overall Lebanese government) political dilemma.

Simply put, you will not find evidence that Israel has a problem with the people of Lebanon. Go back to the first conflict between Israel and "Lebanon" in 82 and you will understand that Lebanon was a technicality- more of a bystander, but they still faced a lot of the damage, very much like this second conflict by Hezbollah.

The problem is that nobody is able to come to any kind of agreement without referring back to the Palestine question. And the moment Palestine is brought up, any kind of agreement will break down.

Back then it was the PLO. Now it is Hezbollah. But in both cases it is the Lebanese people who are made to suffer due to politics.

Somehow along the line life, peace, and basic humanitarian needs have become less important and politics and hatred of Israel has become more important in influencing action.

 

[Vinman]

I am nobody to say anything, but there has to be some form of evidence to make a claim like that. There is nobody in Israel who wants to attack Lebanon itself. Many knowledgeable Israelis are even understanding of Siniora's (and the overall Lebanese government) political dilemma.

Simply put, you will not find evidence that Israel has a problem with the people of Lebanon. Go back to the first conflict between Israel and "Lebanon" in 82 and you will understand that Lebanon was a technicality- more of a bystander, but they still faced a lot of the damage, very much like this second conflict by Hezbollah.

The problem is that nobody is able to come to any kind of agreement without referring back to the Palestine question. And the moment Palestine is brought up, any kind of agreement will break down.

Back then it was the PLO. Now it is Hezbollah. But in both cases it is the Lebanese people who are made to suffer due to politics.

Somehow along the line life, peace, and basic humanitarian needs have become less important and politics and hatred of Israel has become more important in influencing action.

good post Josh !!

 

[ReBeL]

http://www.05amam.org

I was shocked when reading in that site...

For those who're living in Lebanon, are those pics real or fake??

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_billboards.html

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_press.html

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_ambient.html

If that's the case, then that is really not a healthy place to live in...

 

[JCK]

http://www.05amam.org

I was shocked when reading in that site...

For those who're living in Lebanon, are those pics real or fake??

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_billboards.html

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_press.html

http://www.05amam.org/projects_sects_ambient.html

If that's the case, then that is really not a healthy place to live in...

Did you understand the whole point behind these anyway?

You were shocked, I was happy.

Amam's rationale focuses on the ridiculous/harmful side of sectarianism/confessionalism and its excesses in our every day life.

These are made to shock people and bring them back to earth, I hope to see more of them.

You are a Palestinian and always interested in Lebanese politics, I will start showing you now the better side of it (if you are really interested)

Amam05 is a project carried out by the same people of Indepenence05, take a look here http://www.independence05.com/

I advice you to check their blog.

And if you don't understand the philosophy, here's a simpler way to understand it http://mazenkerblog.blogspot.com/

Rhizoid, you can also take a look and probably understand what some people want.

 

[ReBeL]

Did you understand the whole point behind these anyway?

Amam's rationale focuses on the ridiculous/harmful side of sectarianism/confessionalism and its excesses in our every day life.

These are made to shock people and bring them back to earth, I hope to see more of them.

I understood that, but it was so convincing that I thought it was real...

 

[JCK]

I understood that, but it was so convincing that I thought it was real...

It is real and it is being spread to shock the people. It is like throwing a bucket of cold water on someone, or everyone.