The Financial Situation (28 Viewers)

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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We missed out on a lot of revenue from ticket sales. Atleast €30M maybe.

If we get knocked out by Lyon, it could be another disaster financially.
This

The players sacrificing their salaries compensates for that and some.

Agreed about Lyon. We can't afford to not make the CL QFs. That should be the absolute minimum requirement every single season.
Salary cuts reduce OpEx which saves the company $$ and minimally reduces the bleeding at best. It doesn't generate additional revenue. So at best the club (all clubs) will finish their fiscal year in the red.

Missing out on CL tv revenue share and any potential stage prize $$ will obviously hurt but this point it's just a matter of how much of a loss will the club record at the end of the fiscal year.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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The new tax law applies to player signed during the 2019/2020 season onwards and it took effect in January 2020 only
You're right, according to an article I've just read. So it wouldn't apply to Ronaldo at all, and would only have kicked in for De Ligt, Rabiot and Ramsey from Jan 2020, the previous months would have been at 43% rate.

So Ronaldo is actually just over €43m on the payroll?
 

Karim30

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May 6, 2012
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You're right, according to an article I've just read. So it wouldn't apply to Ronaldo at all, and would only have kicked in for De Ligt, Rabiot and Ramsey from Jan 2020, the previous months would have been at 43% rate.

So Ronaldo is actually just over €43m on the payroll?
44m iirc, also it doesn’t apply to Buffon as he only spent one year outside Italy (minimum 2 years) whereas it would apply to Pogba:wittl:
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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You're right, according to an article I've just read. So it wouldn't apply to Ronaldo at all, and would only have kicked in for De Ligt, Rabiot and Ramsey from Jan 2020, the previous months would have been at 43% rate.

So Ronaldo is actually just over €43m on the payroll?
Well, at least it applies to MDL then :tup:
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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44m iirc, also it doesn’t apply to Buffon as he only spent one year outside Italy (minimum 2 years) whereas it would apply to Pogba:wittl:
Yeah so a person has to live outside of Italy for a minimum of 24 months for it to take effect.

This could also mean the definitive end of ItalJuve.
 

Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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We paid 22m for Pellegrini? why would we turn around and look for plusvalenza? Am I reading that chart correctly? Romero for 26M?

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We swapped Spinazzola for Pellegrini if i remember correctly, so that means the 22m is most likely the swap value of both players, we made some plusvalenza already from that deal, the big picture here would be that we are grooming Pellegrini to bring back and use at some point as either a viable LB solution for our team or obviously as potential plusvalenza if his value increases, which is very possible given his age and potential.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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When you have the time please elaborate
so usually, when you sign a work contract, it will contain your GROSS salary, usually per month. for football players, the wages are usually defined on a yearly basis. either way, the contract contains the gross wages.

now, back to the gross wages. in italy, there are two deductions from your gross salary: personal income tax and social contributions.
  • contributions are easy to calculate: you'll pay 9.19% of your wages.
  • personal income tax is a progressive tax in many countries, including italy. it means that those with a higher salary will pay proportionally higher taxes too. they have multiple tax rates, ranging from 23 to 43%. (that's how the 1.43 multiplicator from your calculation came from.) but you never use 43% for your whole salary, only your wages above 75k€ are taxed with that rate. since usually 75k is a small part of a footballer's salary, some people use the 43% rate for the whole salary for easier calculation. your income tax rates look like this:
    • up to €15 000: 23%
    • €15 001 - €28 000: 27%
    • €28 001 - €55 000: 38%
    • €55 001 - €75 000: 41%
    • over €75 001: 43%
let's see a player with 10m € gross per season:
  • taxable amount: 10.000k
  • social contributions: 10.000k x 9.19% = 919k
  • income tax, using the above table: 15k x 23% + 13k (amount in the second bracket) x 27% + 27k x 38% + 20k x 41% + 9.006k x 43% = 3.898k
    • some explanation: social contributions are deductible from the gross salary, hence the 9.006k
  • total deductions: 4.817k
  • yearly net salary: 5.183k
now, gazzetta publishes NET wages for better understanding, and that is where the confusion usually comes from. if you have a 31m net yearly salary, you have to do a "reverse" calculation to find the gross salary, and in that case, these numbers are completely different. let's do a simplified scheme: we all know that players earn more than 75k, so let's merge the first 4 tax brackets into one. the first 75k will be taxed by 25.420€. using this, your equation for a NET 31m salary's GROSS would look something like this:
GROSS - GROSS * 9.19% - 25.420€ - (GROSS - GROSS * 9.19% - 75.000€) * 43% = 31.000.000€

now we can calculate the gross salary, but it's still not the whole picture. not only the taxable person, but the company also pays some social contributions, something around 30% based on the gross salary. that's so fucking complicated that i won't even try to explain it, and even calcioefinanza, experts in italian taxation use an other simplified scheme for it: they simply multiply the net salary by 1.75 for most players (and 1.52 for those who can benefit from the new tax exemption, like ramsey, danilo or rabiot). some other sites might use 1.85 too, and to be honest, either could be accurate depending on benefits, allowances, insurances and shit. if calcioefinanza are fine with 1.75, then i'm fine with it too.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Juventus want to rejuvenate but can't afford particular expenses. The balance sheet, with the losses from Covid that canceled many of the benefits of the €300m capital increase, allows for large investments only in the event of cuts to the squad. [GdS]
 

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