The Financial Situation (50 Viewers)

[Valerio.]

A world cup would be perfect, but I can't see it happening with al the money the Arab countries are giving. For now the only teams are building a new stadium are Cagliari and Atalanta. Roma doesn't $#@!ing progress with their plans and their municipality.

The reason Sassuolo has no fans, is because their fanbase is too small. Sassuolo is a local club and are now on highest level with money. They never had fans, and you can't expect they will get more in the next years. I prefer historical bigger clubs like Lecce, Bari etc. Have to be said that their stadiums are really really old and ugly.

You are right about Udinese, but I like it more to watch to a proper stadium than a running track surrounded by concrete.

What do you think about the German clubs and their policy?
The cheapest seasoncards are around 100-150 euro and most of the seats aren't more than 250 for a full season. I know by Bayern and some other clubs they have a policy that you need to attend at least ... percentage of all the home matches. It stimulate seasoncard holders to watch matches, or sell them for one match to another person.

Germans are smart.
They have a richer population compared to Italy and lower seats price.
Germans prefere to fill their stadium to the last man and gain by selling Beer and so on
And that's smart.
In Germany stadium are generally bigger compared to EPL and are always filled to the brim.
While most of EPL stadiums are between 15-20.000 spots so they're relatively easier to fill compared to germans.
But the difference are the price.
Uk model is small+super pricey + only 50% of games on tv live
Ger model is big + cheap seats +100% show on tv

I'd follow the german model.
But then again the germans had the mundial in 2006 and thx to that they built many structures all around Germany.

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Only the curvas are 10€, the tribunes are 35-50€ a seat which is on par with Bundesliga top club prices. And I am sure if more people start attending matches there will be a chain reaction and in the end people will come just for the atmosphere.

But I agree with you in the sense that ticket prices are only one angle, the stadiums(+infrastructure) themselves are another. And style of football discussion on TV needs to move away from referee obsession

look at us!
With Delle Alpi 70k capacity but we were filling only for 30-35k beside the big games.
Then we moved to Comunale 19k capacity and we were filling for 12-15k
With new stadium it's always 36-37.0000 attendance or even more.
With super high price per seat.

 

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[Maddy]

or, you know, lower ticket prices by 50%, get 4x as many people into stadiums, double your gateway receipts at the same time as making the league look attractive for outsiders. But hey, the North Korean way works too This league is completely doomed long-term and our board understood that, hence separating and protecting our own brand with JJ from the rest of the shitfest

FIGC is in shambles. Old reactionary men belonging to the conservative generation of the past clinging on to power preventing any progress thru nepotism and corruption. Such sad fucken shit show to witness and has been for nearly 15 years.

Reflects the rest of Italy so well.

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Btw. Spaniards to produce Calcio? Let's hope not. Shitty production in any sport I know of.

Catering to the asian market is a huge failure, if it means drying out the domestic. It's a losing strategy. Premier Leagues succes is based on having a good product that's available, not an available product that's okay'ish.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Germans are smart.
They have a richer population compared to Italy and lower seats price.
Germans prefere to fill their stadium to the last man and gain by selling Beer and so on
And that's smart.
In Germany stadium are generally bigger compared to EPL and are always filled to the brim.
While most of EPL stadiums are between 15-20.000 spots so they're relatively easier to fill compared to germans.
But the difference are the price.
Uk model is small+super pricey + only 50% of games on tv live
Ger model is big + cheap seats +100% show on tv

I'd follow the german model.
But then again the germans had the mundial in 2006 and thx to that they built many structures all around Germany.

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look at us!
With Delle Alpi 70k capacity but we were filling only for 30-35k beside the big games.
Then we moved to Comunale 19k capacity and we were filling for 12-15k
With new stadium it's always 36-37.0000 attendance or even more.
With super high price per seat.

Those numbers aren't accurate.

Your "super high price per seat" statement is definitely accurate though. It has become a joke.

Edit: for what it's worth, our lowest average attendance was in Serie B. And that was still over 18k.
In Serie A we averaged from 21k to 23k. It was never as low as 12 or 15k.
The Olimpico capacity ranged from 22k to 26k iirc. (it was expanded somewhat over the years.)

 

[The Quazis]

It's just Italy. It's not only about football but the whole society. Everybody just cares about their asses so they can't build anything. All that drama about Juve being corrupt and favoured by the referees comes from the way these people are. It's not a coincidence their economy is in shambles.

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[Elvin]

But Italy was a very developed country at one time, no (circa '70s)? WTF happened?

 

[Valerio.]

Those numbers aren't accurate.

Your "super high price per seat" statement is definitely accurate though. It has become a joke.

Edit: for what it's worth, our lowest average attendance was in Serie B. And that was still over 18k.
In Serie A we averaged from 21k to 23k. It was never as low as 12 or 15k.
The Olimpico capacity ranged from 22k to 26k iirc. (it was expanded somewhat over the years.)

right! I didn't bother to check but you get what I meant right?
Before the new stadium our attendance no matter the capacity was low.
In the past years if the stadium instead of 42k was 60k we would have filled it.
If it's worth people spend their money if you're asked to spend 20-30euro to go in a shit hole nobody would bother

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But Italy was a very developed country at one time, no (circa '70s)? WTF happened?

Before the crisis and euro hit us.
This is happened.
Since euro shit happened in 2002 our economy went shit.
Italy used to go on by devaluing our currency to keep up the export.
Now with euro we can't do that anymore so Germany which always had a strong currency stole a big part of our market and some other countries in general.
With euro you can't say "let's spend more than what we get with taxes" so you can't make they economy run smoothly.
But the biggest problem is the 2119mld euro debt with the annual interests which are too high even with the highest taxes in the world

 

[The Quazis]

But Italy was a very developed country at one time, no (circa '70s)? WTF happened?

They were because of the Marshall Plan. Still, they were always behind Germany, France and UK. Plus, they have that typical southern mentality. Imagine that in Italy in August almost everybody goes for vacation for three weeks at the same time. What economy could handle that?

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[Maddy]

But Italy was a very developed country at one time, no (circa '70s)? WTF happened?

Northern Italy is very developed. Economically its among Europes richest regions. The south have never been more than farmers and mafiosos. Italy is still tho a major economy and among the most developed countries.

 

[Elvin]

Thanx for the replies guys.

Guess one thing Italians will always have going for them is their sense of design.

Kinda weird that such creative people's football was so defensive, but I guess one could argue that no one thought about defending to win games before the wise-ass Italians

 

[campionesidd]

EPL games are at the best times for Indian viewers. Nothing goes past 1am, most are much earlier. Time for Italy to capitalise on the Asian markets really. The other day I saw a (crappy) fake Juventus jersey for sale on the streets. That's a big achievement, considering I've only ever seen the Spanish giants and EPL ones before. PSG ones are also popular now.

I thought you were a Finn. Only know one iceman.

 

[Lapa]

I thought you were a Finn. Only know one iceman.

I'm the only gay Finn in the village!

 

[Bianconero81]

I thought you were a Finn. Only know one iceman.

Could be Mika Hakkinen or Val Kilmer in Top Gun

 

[Hust]

Juventus post €43m profit | Football Italia

Juventus have announced a €43.3m profit for the first half of the year, a decrease of €28.7m.

President Andrea Agnelli has today approved the figures up to December 31 2017, with revenue falling 7.8 per cent to €290.6m.

That saw the club's profits fall from €72m to December 31 2016 to €43.3m this year.

The fall in profits is explained by “lower revenues from players’ registration rights totalling €45m, higher costs for external services and other expenses for €12.4m and for players' wages and technical staff costs for €7.7m, as well as amortisation on players' registration rights for €13.5m.”

It was also noted that the club achieved “higher revenues from core operations”, as well as “decreases in expenses from players’ registration rights”.

The total debt increased 72.1 per cent to €279.7m, with €81.6m of that coming from transfer spending.

As of December 31, Juventus had bank lines of credit totalling €546.1m.

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[Quetzalcoatl]

Juventus post €43m profit | Football Italia

Juventus have announced a €43.3m profit for the first half of the year, a decrease of €28.7m.

President Andrea Agnelli has today approved the figures up to December 31 2017, with revenue falling 7.8 per cent to €290.6m.

That saw the club's profits fall from €72m to December 31 2016 to €43.3m this year.

The fall in profits is explained by “lower revenues from players’ registration rights totalling €45m, higher costs for external services and other expenses for €12.4m and for players' wages and technical staff costs for €7.7m, as well as amortisation on players' registration rights for €13.5m.”

It was also noted that the club achieved “higher revenues from core operations”, as well as “decreases in expenses from players’ registration rights”.

The total debt increased 72.1 per cent to €279.7m, with €81.6m of that coming from transfer spending.

As of December 31, Juventus had bank lines of credit totalling €546.1m.

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Where does the profit go?

 

[juve123]

Where does the profit go?

Why did our debt increase

 

[Monty]

Where does the profit go?

Shareholders equity

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Why did our debt increase

used debt to pay for transfers

 

[Maddy]

Where does the profit go?

Spoiler

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Shareholders equity

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so we could spend it on transfers and wages if we wanted?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Another year of Austerity

 

[Monty]

so we could spend it on transfers and wages if we wanted?

This is only the half year results, they are still forecasting loss for the full year