The Financial Situation (6 Viewers)

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#42
That article on overall club worth is misleading. If u organize it based on revenues, which imo is a more accurate measure of a clubs size and financial strength, its as follows: (taken from the same article)
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Soccer-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

1. Real Madrid - 374
2. Barcelona - 331
3. Juventus - 321
4. Manchester United - 310
5. AC Milan - 305
6. Chelsea - 283
7. Inter Milan - 264
8. Bayern Munich - 262
9. Arsenal - 246

Juve is doing very well, and starting from next season there is nowhere to go but up.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,869
#43
That article on overall club worth is misleading. If u organize it based on revenues, which imo is a more accurate measure of a clubs size and financial strength, its as follows: (taken from the same article)
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Soccer-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

1. Real Madrid - 374
2. Barcelona - 331
3. Juventus - 321
4. Manchester United - 310
5. AC Milan - 305
6. Chelsea - 283
7. Inter Milan - 264
8. Bayern Munich - 262
9. Arsenal - 246

Juve is doing very well, and starting from next season there is nowhere to go but up.
But those revenues are for 2005/2006, so we'll see a critical drop in the list of the next year...
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#45
But those revenues are for 2005/2006, so we'll see a critical drop in the list of the next year...
Oh, my mistake. Be interesting to c how far we will fall. However there is nowhere to go but up starting from next season.

What about the debt? I remember reading that we would break even next January. Is that true?
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,869
#46
Oh, my mistake. Be interesting to c how far we will fall. However there is nowhere to go but up starting from next season.

What about the debt? I remember reading that we would break even next January. Is that true?
Well, I remember reading a similar thing, but the debt will be so dependant on the stadium's situation...
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
#51
What do you mean by loosing chance to play in the CL? For next year? We are already out of that anyways.

Or do you mean that it will rule out the possibility of playing in 08/09?
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,869
#52
Could we expect more cash now??:eyebrows:

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Fiat First-Quarter Profit More Than Doubles on Cars


April 23 (Bloomberg) -- Fiat SpA, Italy's biggest manufacturer, said first-quarter profit more than doubled as the company boosted productivity and sold more cars and trucks.

Net income increased to 358 million euros ($486 million), or 27 cents a share, from 138 million euros, or 11 cents, a year earlier, Turin, Italy-based Fiat said in an Italian stock exchange filing today. Profit beat the 248.2 million-euro median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News. Sales rose 8.9 percent to 13.7 billion euros.

Fiat, Europe's fastest-growing carmaker by sales in 2006, began selling the Bravo compact car in February to challenge models including Volkswagen AG's Golf and Renault SA's Megane. Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne, who restored profit in 2005 after years of losses, has updated the product line, cut spending and created a new management team.

The figures ``strengthen once more the credibility of the work Marchionne is doing,'' said Gianmaria Bergantino, head of asset management at Bank Insinger de Beaufort NV in Rome, who helps manage about $400 million in assets, including non-voting stock in the carmaker. ``Fiat is doing a great job of reducing costs and maximizing productivity.''

Shares of Fiat rose as much as 42 cents, or 2.1 percent, to 20.90 euros, the highest since Sept. 10, 2001, and were up 1.8 percent at 20.84 euros at 2:34 p.m. in Milan. The stock has advanced 44 percent this year, valuing the company at 26.3 billion euros.

"The stock could reach 22 euros in the short term,'' Bergantino said.

Earnings before interest and taxes as a proportion of sales increased to 4.4 percent from 2.6 percent. The cost of goods sold increased 7.8 percent in the quarter, Fiat said.

Bravo orders topped 29,000 cars in the first two months of availability, while 11,000 of the model were delivered in the first quarter, the company said. Total sales of Fiat group cars and light trucks, including the Alfa Romeo and Lancia car brands, increased 12 percent in the quarter to 541,200 vehicles, a six- year high, Fiat said.

The carmaker's 2006 European sales surged 17 percent to 1.16 million vehicles, led by the Grande Punto hatchback introduced in September 2005. Fiat's European market share grew to 7.5 percent in 2006 from 6.5 percent in 2005, and to 8.3 percent in the first quarter of this year from 7.8 percent a year earlier, according to European Automobile Manufacturers Association figures.

Fiat expects to increase profit by more than 60 percent in 2007 as new models attract buyers, Marchionne said April 5 at the annual shareholders meeting. Fiat will present an updated version of the classic Cinquecento small car in July.

"The Group is confirming 2007 guidance at the upper end of the indicated range,'' Fiat said in the statement. The company aims to raise net income to 1.6 billion euros to 1.8 billion euros in 2007, with an operating profit of 2.5 billion euros to 2.7 billion euros.

Net debt as of March 31 fell to less than 1.3 billion euros, a reduction of about 500 million euros since the end of 2006. Fiat expects less than 1 billion euros in debt by the end of the year, the company said.

First-quarter operating profit surged 84 percent to 595 million euros, as earnings at the auto unit, including the Ferrari and Maserati brands, more than doubled to 222 million euros.

Iveco SpA, Fiat's truck-making unit, had operating profit of 150 million euros, more than double a year earlier. Tractor-maker CNH Global NV's profit more than doubled to $95 million and sales increased 9.9 percent, the company said today in a separate statement. Operating profit at Fiat's component and robot maker units was little changed at 83 million euros.

Marchionne has promoted Fiat globally by signing alliances with other carmakers, including India's Tata Motors Ltd. and Japan's Suzuki Motor Corp. Fiat brands also have gained visibility through sponsorship of athletes and teams such as soccer's Juventus SpA and New Zealand's All Blacks rugby team.

Bloomberg
 

fender06

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2006
1,333
#54
Could we expect more cash now??:eyebrows:

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Fiat First-Quarter Profit More Than Doubles on Cars


April 23 (Bloomberg) -- Fiat SpA, Italy's biggest manufacturer, said first-quarter profit more than doubled as the company boosted productivity and sold more cars and trucks.

Net income increased to 358 million euros ($486 million), or 27 cents a share, from 138 million euros, or 11 cents, a year earlier, Turin, Italy-based Fiat said in an Italian stock exchange filing today. Profit beat the 248.2 million-euro median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News. Sales rose 8.9 percent to 13.7 billion euros.

Fiat, Europe's fastest-growing carmaker by sales in 2006, began selling the Bravo compact car in February to challenge models including Volkswagen AG's Golf and Renault SA's Megane. Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne, who restored profit in 2005 after years of losses, has updated the product line, cut spending and created a new management team.

The figures ``strengthen once more the credibility of the work Marchionne is doing,'' said Gianmaria Bergantino, head of asset management at Bank Insinger de Beaufort NV in Rome, who helps manage about $400 million in assets, including non-voting stock in the carmaker. ``Fiat is doing a great job of reducing costs and maximizing productivity.''

Shares of Fiat rose as much as 42 cents, or 2.1 percent, to 20.90 euros, the highest since Sept. 10, 2001, and were up 1.8 percent at 20.84 euros at 2:34 p.m. in Milan. The stock has advanced 44 percent this year, valuing the company at 26.3 billion euros.

"The stock could reach 22 euros in the short term,'' Bergantino said.

Earnings before interest and taxes as a proportion of sales increased to 4.4 percent from 2.6 percent. The cost of goods sold increased 7.8 percent in the quarter, Fiat said.

Bravo orders topped 29,000 cars in the first two months of availability, while 11,000 of the model were delivered in the first quarter, the company said. Total sales of Fiat group cars and light trucks, including the Alfa Romeo and Lancia car brands, increased 12 percent in the quarter to 541,200 vehicles, a six- year high, Fiat said.

The carmaker's 2006 European sales surged 17 percent to 1.16 million vehicles, led by the Grande Punto hatchback introduced in September 2005. Fiat's European market share grew to 7.5 percent in 2006 from 6.5 percent in 2005, and to 8.3 percent in the first quarter of this year from 7.8 percent a year earlier, according to European Automobile Manufacturers Association figures.

Fiat expects to increase profit by more than 60 percent in 2007 as new models attract buyers, Marchionne said April 5 at the annual shareholders meeting. Fiat will present an updated version of the classic Cinquecento small car in July.

"The Group is confirming 2007 guidance at the upper end of the indicated range,'' Fiat said in the statement. The company aims to raise net income to 1.6 billion euros to 1.8 billion euros in 2007, with an operating profit of 2.5 billion euros to 2.7 billion euros.

Net debt as of March 31 fell to less than 1.3 billion euros, a reduction of about 500 million euros since the end of 2006. Fiat expects less than 1 billion euros in debt by the end of the year, the company said.

First-quarter operating profit surged 84 percent to 595 million euros, as earnings at the auto unit, including the Ferrari and Maserati brands, more than doubled to 222 million euros.

Iveco SpA, Fiat's truck-making unit, had operating profit of 150 million euros, more than double a year earlier. Tractor-maker CNH Global NV's profit more than doubled to $95 million and sales increased 9.9 percent, the company said today in a separate statement. Operating profit at Fiat's component and robot maker units was little changed at 83 million euros.

Marchionne has promoted Fiat globally by signing alliances with other carmakers, including India's Tata Motors Ltd. and Japan's Suzuki Motor Corp. Fiat brands also have gained visibility through sponsorship of athletes and teams such as soccer's Juventus SpA and New Zealand's All Blacks rugby team.

Bloomberg
anyway, it's a good news, certainly better than Fiat goes bankrupt:D
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,869
#55
Juventus swings into Q3 net loss on revenue dip following relegation


Juventus Football Club SpA said that it booked a net loss of 4.5 mln eur in the third quarter compared with a 6.6 mln profit a year earlier, as revenues plummeted following the club's relegation to Italian second division Serie B.

Revenues fell 48.1% to 39.1 mln eur due to lower television rights and sponsorship income.

Juventus, however, expects to close the year, which ends June 30, at break even. In the nine months to March 31, the company had a net profit of 10.9 mln eur, compared with a 9.3 mln loss a year earlier, thanks to the sale of players.

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watermelon

Junior Member
Nov 24, 2005
53
#56
i think Juve can buy 1-2 players from Japan or China, then many of the Japanese and Chinese would buy more and more Juve's shirt and other accessories. I know Man U is doing this kind of thing, they have a Korean player , and now they are going to buy a Japanese player playing in Celtic~
i bought several Juve shirts even though they haven't bought any player from China.
:lol:

you're right, Man United bought Park and Dong from South Korean and China, they are generating remarkable profits and reputation for Man United.

regarding to the topic, i prefer debt financing over equity financing. theoretically, it is according to MBA class :confused: anyway, our financial gonna get better after returning to seriesA next year, and CL one year after. :)
 

watermelon

Junior Member
Nov 24, 2005
53
#57
Juventus swings into Q3 net loss on revenue dip following relegation


Juventus Football Club SpA said that it booked a net loss of 4.5 mln eur in the third quarter compared with a 6.6 mln profit a year earlier, as revenues plummeted following the club's relegation to Italian second division Serie B.

Revenues fell 48.1% to 39.1 mln eur due to lower television rights and sponsorship income.

Juventus, however, expects to close the year, which ends June 30, at break even. In the nine months to March 31, the company had a net profit of 10.9 mln eur, compared with a 9.3 mln loss a year earlier, thanks to the sale of players.

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As long as we are staying above breakeven point, nothing is gonna be so serious . :lol:
 

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