competitiveness off the league isnt decided by the top of the table. england for example, top 3 is clear, yet who will the 4th team by the end of the season? so yeah, it is competitive
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we are not consistant also, but at the top with 10 points, that I call success. We are not in good old form we had at the start of the season, but we are winning. It's not only Capello's job to keep the players on form, but he is winning. where goes the credits here?
Bremen, first leg was bad. second leg was better, the mentality definitly changed. also the second half in Bremen match in Torino. The way we started. first thing comes to mind now.
Bremen, first leg was bad. second leg was better, the mentality definitly changed. also the second half in Bremen match in Torino. The way we started. first thing comes to mind now.
Jeeks said:
You will get used to Intro, he praises Juve so much and makes them look like the best team just to show you that Milan were able to overcome them. He's a typical Milan fan.
No offence mate
No offence mate
The players, he simply does not make substitutions before the 85th minute. It is the players who are bringing the points and he is screaming like a bitch on the sideline. He hasn't ever made a single tactical change when things are not going in his favour.
Bremen first leg was bad, second leg was horrible especially how we started. He started like he started against Liverpool second leg. He started in a defencive mentality and aiming for a 1-0 draw. Until he got a slap on his face and realized that he started with the wrong players, things started to change. Did they change so much better? NO, it was a gift from Wiese that got him the win. No credit at all goes to Capello in reaching the last eight.
Bremen first leg was bad, second leg was horrible especially how we started. He started like he started against Liverpool second leg. He started in a defencive mentality and aiming for a 1-0 draw. Until he got a slap on his face and realized that he started with the wrong players, things started to change. Did they change so much better? NO, it was a gift from Wiese that got him the win. No credit at all goes to Capello in reaching the last eight.
Jeeks said:
You will get used to Intro, he praises Juve so much and makes them look like the best team just to show you that Milan were able to overcome them. He's a typical Milan fan.
No offence mate
No offence mate
. You once accused me of being a typical 'Milanista' when I behaved in such fashion but were proved wrong as always within hours if I remember as my fears were proved correct
. Or maybe I do praise Juve - like when I told you a year ago after that gruelling PSV semi-final Milan would trash Juve
and we couldn't have better timing for that one with this weekends fixtures.But really I am impartial and if you lived here in England and saw close-up what Mourinho is doing and how Milan are being outmuscled by Capello and had a brother who has a wet-dream every time Barca plays with no opposition - I think you too would realise the beauty of Capello.
Intro said:
In only the same way that you are a 'typical' Juve fan who thinks by being negative about their team will induce success and make it more happier when it arrives so adopts this behaviour as almost superstition . You once accused me of being a typical 'Milanista' when I behaved in such fashion but were proved wrong as always within hours if I remember as my fears were proved correct . Or maybe I do praise Juve - like when I told you a year ago after that gruelling PSV semi-final Milan would trash Juve and we couldn't have better timing for that one with this weekends fixtures.
But really I am impartial and if you lived here in England and saw close-up what Mourinho is doing and how Milan are being outmuscled by Capello and had a brother who has a wet-dream every time Barca plays with no opposition - I think you too would realise the beauty of Capello.
. You once accused me of being a typical 'Milanista' when I behaved in such fashion but were proved wrong as always within hours if I remember as my fears were proved correct . Or maybe I do praise Juve - like when I told you a year ago after that gruelling PSV semi-final Milan would trash Juve and we couldn't have better timing for that one with this weekends fixtures.But really I am impartial and if you lived here in England and saw close-up what Mourinho is doing and how Milan are being outmuscled by Capello and had a brother who has a wet-dream every time Barca plays with no opposition - I think you too would realise the beauty of Capello.
Jeeks - I know we haven't chat in a long-time but aren't you contradicting yourself here somewhat?
You complain about Capello's effort and tactical decisions yet I've told you before that such managers who do this are simply 'gambling' Even genious ones at such techniques get it wrong; i.e. Capello vs. Liverpool, Benitez starting with Kewell in CL final, Mourinho forever bringing on Robert Huth upfront.
That is what these managers do - they gamble as they think they have the answer and the whole result depends on their actions. Others are what I call 'modern managers' who believe in a more simplictic view of the game. Ancelotti can be classed in this manner and yet you vehemently disagree with me here.
What is that you want? More importantly who is it you want Capello to be replaced with?
You complain about Capello's effort and tactical decisions yet I've told you before that such managers who do this are simply 'gambling' Even genious ones at such techniques get it wrong; i.e. Capello vs. Liverpool, Benitez starting with Kewell in CL final, Mourinho forever bringing on Robert Huth upfront.
That is what these managers do - they gamble as they think they have the answer and the whole result depends on their actions. Others are what I call 'modern managers' who believe in a more simplictic view of the game. Ancelotti can be classed in this manner and yet you vehemently disagree with me here.
What is that you want? More importantly who is it you want Capello to be replaced with?
I have some questions for you,
Where am I contradicting myself?
Was the gamble agaisnt Liverpool to wait for a 1-0 goal? If that was it, where did it take him?
Then why do it once again and hope that Wiese will give him the match on a silver plate, with exotci fuits around?
To answer your questions,
What I want is a better approach for the games, a lineup that is based on on-form players not on personal preference and some change when needed.
Who do I want Capello replaced with? Right now, I'd take Del Neri but let Capello leave Torino as fast as possible.
Where am I contradicting myself?
Was the gamble agaisnt Liverpool to wait for a 1-0 goal? If that was it, where did it take him?
Then why do it once again and hope that Wiese will give him the match on a silver plate, with exotci fuits around?
To answer your questions,
What I want is a better approach for the games, a lineup that is based on on-form players not on personal preference and some change when needed.
Who do I want Capello replaced with? Right now, I'd take Del Neri but let Capello leave Torino as fast as possible.
I don't agree on that jeeks, the players can't do anything by themselves. bring the best players in the world, and wothout a coach they can't do anything alone.
the way we saved the victory the last minutes that way was ugly, but the mentality we had was good in that game, we closed their offence, except that one mistake, but we also tried a lot of time to score, and dominated the game. Don't forget that Zlatan's offsides ruined the game a lot of times.
the way we saved the victory the last minutes that way was ugly, but the mentality we had was good in that game, we closed their offence, except that one mistake, but we also tried a lot of time to score, and dominated the game. Don't forget that Zlatan's offsides ruined the game a lot of times.
Also the best players in the world with a coach that gives them wrong instructions and wrong game plan can't do anything. This is our case with Capello.
Zlatan's offsides was also because of Capello's game plan or the lack of it. Zlatan on the pitch was another mistaske. As for the mentality, it was wrong, the team changed after they conceded a goal, before that, they didn't want to play.
Zlatan's offsides was also because of Capello's game plan or the lack of it. Zlatan on the pitch was another mistaske. As for the mentality, it was wrong, the team changed after they conceded a goal, before that, they didn't want to play.
OK - you answered my questions by making both Capello and Ancelotti look wrong
But I agree with you in someways - but it is a simple trade-off I believe (except Barca fans who believe Rijkaard is the answer). The same post-mortem is being had in this country on Mourinho which is stupid considering he is already a UEFA and CL winner.
You can't have your cake and eat it so to speak. You seem to have a misunderstanding on the quality of the Juve squad. Simply it is no better than Milan - in my opinion it is worse. Capello however can galvanise this squad into a team which plays with intensity which must be admired. They are winning the league not losing it - despite a helping hand from Milan. But then with CL we flip - as Ancelotti treating his players like Kings has to contend with only that (the players will say its their priority each season but only becomes it after the first 15 games or so of Serie A). Now Milan have the CL where they are focussed and to their credit an enormous self-belief. But it only needs one bad performance (or 6 minutes as witnessed in Istanbul) to be defeated in this quest. Really Milan or no team that aims solely for the CL can be considered smart considering the plateau of quality at the top of the European game.
So Juventus and Chelsea do the reverse - their style grabs them the league and leaves them in a healthy position once the CL gets to the 'business end'. However, styles and attitudes cannot be changesd this late on and perhaps the toll is taken of a long season. In many ways Juventus and Chelsea have no less of an advantage than others at this stage.
But you will get the situation you want as next year once Ancelotti is gone at Milan it won't need a change of playing personnel but just a fresh coach to inject the work ethos and I predict Milan too will start at least with the same intensity - then Juventus with (or without) Capello will feel pressure for the first time for the Scudetto and if they fail how will you feel then?
What is it you want the Scudetto and CL? If so name me the last team to achieve league and European success not from a 'Mickey Mouse' league?
But I agree with you in someways - but it is a simple trade-off I believe (except Barca fans who believe Rijkaard is the answer). The same post-mortem is being had in this country on Mourinho which is stupid considering he is already a UEFA and CL winner.
You can't have your cake and eat it so to speak. You seem to have a misunderstanding on the quality of the Juve squad. Simply it is no better than Milan - in my opinion it is worse. Capello however can galvanise this squad into a team which plays with intensity which must be admired. They are winning the league not losing it - despite a helping hand from Milan. But then with CL we flip - as Ancelotti treating his players like Kings has to contend with only that (the players will say its their priority each season but only becomes it after the first 15 games or so of Serie A). Now Milan have the CL where they are focussed and to their credit an enormous self-belief. But it only needs one bad performance (or 6 minutes as witnessed in Istanbul) to be defeated in this quest. Really Milan or no team that aims solely for the CL can be considered smart considering the plateau of quality at the top of the European game.
So Juventus and Chelsea do the reverse - their style grabs them the league and leaves them in a healthy position once the CL gets to the 'business end'. However, styles and attitudes cannot be changesd this late on and perhaps the toll is taken of a long season. In many ways Juventus and Chelsea have no less of an advantage than others at this stage.
But you will get the situation you want as next year once Ancelotti is gone at Milan it won't need a change of playing personnel but just a fresh coach to inject the work ethos and I predict Milan too will start at least with the same intensity - then Juventus with (or without) Capello will feel pressure for the first time for the Scudetto and if they fail how will you feel then?
What is it you want the Scudetto and CL? If so name me the last team to achieve league and European success not from a 'Mickey Mouse' league?