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[Badass J Elkann]

, my bad. But if this were the point badass was trying to make, he had been very reasonable. Now he's being ridiculous and IMO quite offensive towards christians.



Do you or do you not believe in the coming of the Messiah? Do you believe God dictated the 10 commandments to Moses?

There's a difference between not being a practical (spelling anyone, I mean someone who doesn't follow every rule) Jew or not being a Jew at all. If you don't believe in the coming of the Messiah, you're not a Jew.

eh like i said im skeptical on this whole messiah business be it jesus or george bush. i believe in the 1 true god, i try to at least follow the 10 commandments, that alone is enough.

yes i may seem a little offensive to christians but dont get me wrong i dont hate them as a collective at all

 

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[Seven]

eh like i said im skeptical on this whole messiah business be it jesus or george bush. i believe in the 1 true god, i try to at least follow the 10 commandments, that alone is enough

Just out of curiosity:

the 10 commandments in the Bible are the same as the ones in the Torah, right? So christians obey the same commandments. Now you claim to be a converted Jew. Where the fuck is the logic in that?

Oh and don't you go claiming christians believe in multiple gods.

 

[rounder]

unfortunatly everyone is like that, the k'oran is spose to say that everyone of all faiths should be accepted, but extremist muslims go against that and preach death to those who arn't muslim

Yes , far too many people like that .many Christians , muslims , Jews actually acknowledge their religion but often do the exact opposite of what their religion teaches them . Although the Quran does preach violence in some ways

 

[Gill_juve]

eh like i said im skeptical on this whole messiah business be it jesus or george bush. i believe in the 1 true god, i try to at least follow the 10 commandments, that alone is enough.

yes i may seem a little offensive to christians but dont get me wrong i dont hate them as a collective at all

i dont think alone is enough, to truly follow a religion it to follow it as your "god wishes ". i think its too easy and common nowadays for people to pick and choose what they want to do. you follow a religion, none of this bullshit likei will go to the temple, synagogue, church etc, whenever it suites me.

 

[rounder]

i dont think alone is enough, to truly follow a religion it to follow it as your "god wishes ". i think its too easy and common nowadays for people to pick and choose what they want to do. you follow a religion, none of this bullshit likei will go to the temple, synagogue, church etc, whenever it suites me.

Exactly what i have been trying to say ..

 

[Gill_juve]

Exactly what i have been trying to say ..

thats why i dont follow a religion. i see too many people acting like its pick and mix. i believe in god but choose not to conform to a religion.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I do recall various agressive incidents involving Mohammed and the lack of tolerance being described in the Koran..

well i dont know ive never personally read it, i was always lead to believe that tolerance of others was something imbedded into the foundations of the religion

thats just plain stupid. have you ever read an account from the period of any historical event? i think not judging by what you have to say. sorry man that is one of the most stupid things i have ever heard. i am amazed.

accounts can be biased therefore makes it unreliable.

Just out of curiosity:

the 10 commandments in the Bible are the same as the ones in the Torah, right? So christians obey the same commandments. Now you claim to be a converted Jew. Where the fuck is the logic in that?

Oh and don't you go claiming christians believe in multiple gods.

no then bare in mind i said islam and christianty branched from judaism so alot of the foundations are shared with judaism, i.e the 1 god, the halal/kosher, 10 commandments, but since im skeptical about jesus leaning more towards that i dont believe he existed and if he did i dont think he performed the miracles that were described in the new testament which is what the jews believe

 

[rounder]

eh like i said im skeptical on this whole messiah business be it jesus or george bush. i believe in the 1 true god, i try to at least follow the 10 commandments, that alone is enough.

yes i may seem a little offensive to christians but dont get me wrong i dont hate them as a collective at all

Like i mentioned earlier , you really can't pick what you want from your religion and choose to believe it . If you don't believe the coming of messiah , then you aren't a jew . That's like saying i'm christian but i don't think christ was really ever born .

Well , your theory about christianity being born for the purpose of annoying the jews is not only offensive to christians , but offensive to anyone's intelligence .
You have said somehing you are unable to backup with any evidence .

 

[Badass J Elkann]

i dont think alone is enough, to truly follow a religion it to follow it as your "god wishes ". i think its too easy and common nowadays for people to pick and choose what they want to do. you follow a religion, none of this bullshit likei will go to the temple, synagogue, church etc, whenever it suites me.

well im not orthodox, infact reform which is rather casual and relaxed, ie the women sit with the men in synagogue, i mean ffs till last yr we had a female rabbi which is almost unheard of. therefore my beliefs are quite relaxed and dont keep things like kosher

 

[rounder]

thats why i dont follow a religion. i see too many people acting like its pick and mix. i believe in god but choose not to conform to a religion.

I hear what your saying ..

This is a statement i read years ago and i couldn't agree with it more .
"The prime reason of atheism today is christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips but deny him with their lifestyle "

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Like i mentioned earlier , you really can't pick what you want from your religion and choose to believe it . If you don't believe the coming of messiah , then you aren't a jew . That's like saying i'm christian but i don't think christ was really ever born .

Well , your theory about christianity being born for the purpose of annoying the jews is not only offensive to christians , but offensive to anyone's intelligence .
You have said somehing you are unable to backup with any evidence .

grrr, ffs like i said after christianity was accepted, only after then the hatred of the jews was more integrated, blaming them for the death of jesus etc...

and likes i also said about the messiah, im skeptical about that aswell, neither believing it nor denying it.

 

[Gill_juve]

well im not orthodox, infact reform which is rather casual and relaxed, ie the women sit with the men in synagogue, i mean ffs till last yr we had a female rabbi which is almost unheard of. therefore my beliefs are quite relaxed and dont keep things like kosher

well isnt that diferent to judaism then? not eating kosher, female rabbi. it sounds like its picking and choosing what it wants from the jewish religion.

 

[Gill_juve]

grrr, ffs like i said after christianity was accepted, only after then the hatred of the jews was more integrated, blaming them for the death of jesus etc...

and likes i also said about the messiah, im skeptical about that aswell, neither believing it nor denying it.

well they are going to blame jews, they did turn jesus into the romans from what i remember.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

well isnt that diferent to judaism then? not eating kosher, female rabbi. it sounds like its picking and choosing what it wants from the jewish religion.

like i said its a reform branch, not united or orthodox, so my beliefs as a jew on a reform scale is miles apart to those of an orthodox following

 

[Seven]

grrr, ffs like i said after christianity was accepted, only after then the hatred of the jews was more integrated, blaming them for the death of jesus etc...

and likes i also said about the messiah, im skeptical about that aswell, neither believing it nor denying it.

Oh I see. My bad, people! He's actually got an even stranger hypothesis:

Christianity was created as an excuse to hate Jews. The Romans formed a union with the christians they persecuted, because they both hated Jews. But it is only come Constantine in the 4th century AC the hatred towards Jews is evident in the christan belief.

Now this is truly odd, badass. You mean that the christians in the first century actually managed to look 300 years into the future and thus created a religion that they knew would later on be used against the Jews? My oh my, perhaps you picked the wrong religion, my friend. Because these christians you talk about seem extremely intelligent.

no then bare in mind i said islam and christianty branched from judaism so alot of the foundations are shared with judaism, i.e the 1 god, the halal/kosher, 10 commandments, but since im skeptical about jesus leaning more towards that i dont believe he existed and if he did i dont think he performed the miracles that were described in the new testament which is what the jews believe

Not being christian doesn't make you a Jew .

 

[rounder]

only after then the hatred of the jews was more integrated, blaming them for the death of jesus etc...

So you're saying that Christianity is a cause for Jewish hate , not the reason for it ? Yes , that's obvious unless you mean something else ?

 

[Gill_juve]

well i dont know ive never personally read it, i was always lead to believe that tolerance of others was something imbedded into the foundations of the religion


accounts can be biased therefore makes it unreliable.


no then bare in mind i said islam and christianty branched from judaism so alot of the foundations are shared with judaism, i.e the 1 god, the halal/kosher, 10 commandments, but since im skeptical about jesus leaning more towards that i dont believe he existed and if he did i dont think he performed the miracles that were described in the new testament which is what the jews believe

Well you generalised so quickly, are you telling me a speech by pope Urban II, as cruel as it was, the accounts werent biased. Your statement only has relevance if it is talking about what jesus did or what done against him. it doesnt apply to the matter of his existence. A biased view cannot question the existence of something only question the actions.

 

[Seven]

So you're saying that Christianity is a cause for Jewish hate , not the reason for it ? Yes , that's obvious unless you mean something else ?

Please, he doesn't know what he means. He was wrong in the beginning and now starts saying all kinds of things that will make him look less ridiculous.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

well they are going to blame jews, they did turn jesus into the romans from what i remember.

wasnt jesus' followers jewish? or at least most of them, and jesus was jewish, or so we're lead to believe up till his death, so really what right do christians have in hating the jews?

 

[mikhail]

Come on Seven, that's just misrepresenting what he posted. If he explicitly stated that Christianity was formed with that intent, please quote the post.

BD, you're still not posting any evidence for this, just one point of speculation.