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[Gill_juve]

yes im full of ifs and buts because im skeptical and always in question about what is written, or what is deemed as facts. but that is not to say i disrespect everything or anything everyone here says.

but your questioning never has any historical correctness.

 

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[Eddy]

thats why i dont follow a religion. i see too many people acting like its pick and mix. i believe in god but choose not to conform to a religion.

Thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear.

I believe in some sort of thing. I don't know if it's god because society calls it that. But I also do believe in things happening for a reason. People call that fate, I dont know if Im gona call it that but thats the best way to describe it at the moment.

 

[Gill_juve]

Thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear.

I believe in some sort of thing. I don't know if it's god because society calls it that. But I also do believe in things happening for a reason. People call that fate, I dont know if Im gona call it that but thats the best way to describe it at the moment.

is that sarcasm? if so, why should i follow a religion whichi dont really believe in or willing to follow?

 

[Seven]

yes im full of ifs and buts because im skeptical and always in question about what is written, or what is deemed as facts. but that is not to say i disrespect everything or anything everyone here says.

The problem is you're not sceptical. Not one bit. Not towards your own little fantasies anyway. Seriously, you can't pull stuff like this. You can't say "I believe christianity was created to hate Jews' and not back it up with facts.

About the bolded part: if you're going to dismiss facts (such as the fact Romans persecuted christians), you have to come up with counterevidence ('this and that show the Romans did not persecute christians') as well.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

No, it was you saying this:




Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore.

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The argument is pretty much over I guess.

let me just clarify, when christian was first created i dont think it was initially for the intent to hate jews, as the religion evolved and became accepted, the jews were being perceived as the sole people responsible for the murder of their messiah, particularly around the middle ages, hence why they were forced to turn to accountency etc.. which was against their own faith, since then religion has evolved and tollerance of others have been more accepting particularly in the western world

 

[Badass J Elkann]

but your questioning never has any historical correctness.

so you think jesus actually existed 200%?

 

[Gill_juve]

The problem is you're not sceptical. Not one bit. Not towards your own little fantasies anyway. Seriously, you can't pull stuff like this. You can't say "I believe christianity was created to hate Jews' and not back it up with facts.

About the bolded part: if you're going to dismiss facts (such as the fact Romans persecuted christians), you have to come up with counterevidence ('this and that show the Romans did not persecute christians') as well.

badass, if you can do that i think a lot more people would respect what you write.

 

[Seven]

Thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear.

I believe in some sort of thing. I don't know if it's god because society calls it that. But I also do believe in things happening for a reason. People call that fate, I dont know if Im gona call it that but thats the best way to describe it at the moment.

I don't necessarily believe in things happening for a reason. I hope they do though. There's not really a place for people who simply 'hope' yet, which kind of amazes me.

You'd think that, because we know we can only be agnostics from a logical point of view, you'd have large congregations of people hoping there is something, rather than believing in it.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The problem is you're not sceptical. Not one bit. Not towards your own little fantasies anyway. Seriously, you can't pull stuff like this. You can't say "I believe christianity was created to hate Jews' and not back it up with facts.

About the bolded part: if you're going to dismiss facts (such as the fact Romans persecuted christians), you have to come up with counterevidence ('this and that show the Romans did not persecute christians') as well.

im not saying the romans didnt persecute christians, i was talking about after they were accepted as a faith under constantine when christianity really evolved its beliefs into the blaming of the jews for the murder of their messiah

 

[Gill_juve]

so you think jesus actually existed 200%?

no, but atleast i know there is some conclusive evidence which goes some way to proving that he did. whereas you are coming up with hypothetical situations which have no correctness.

 

[rounder]

could be, like i said theres no real proof that jesus really existed, and if he had then after christianity was accepted they used the jews as a scapegoat to hate them simply because they believe the jews are solely responsible for the murder of their messiah, but im not saying all christians hate jews, but especially in the middle ages thats what people believed

Do you honestly believe in what you're saying ?

 

[Seven]

let me just clarify, when christian was first created i dont think it was initially for the intent to hate jews, as the religion evolved and became accepted, the jews were being perceived as the sole people responsible for the murder of their messiah, particularly around the middle ages, hence why they were forced to turn to accountency etc.. which was against their own faith, since then religion has evolved and tollerance of others have been more accepting particularly in the western world

This I what I said in the beginning. It's not what you said. If this is what you were trying to say, you should pick your words more carefully next time. I don't buy you believed it straight away, because it's about the exact opposite of your initial opinion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

thats why i dont follow a religion. i see too many people acting like its pick and mix. i believe in god but choose not to conform to a religion.

my thoughts exactly!

 

[Gill_juve]

im not saying the romans didnt persecute christians, i was talking about after they were accepted as a faith under constantine when christianity really evolved its beliefs into the blaming of the jews for the murder of their messiah

Well actually, jews were hated by the eygyptians, way before the time of jesus, you remember moses, dont you?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

no, but atleast i know there is some conclusive evidence which goes some way to proving that he did. whereas you are coming up with hypothetical situations which have no correctness.

you keep saying conclusive evidence, but u havnt said what it is. so really you're making out to be a hypocryte for blaming me that i bring no evidence, till you show me this 'conclusive evidence' then jesus may or may have not existed.

 

[Seven]

im not saying the romans didnt persecute christians, i was talking about after they were accepted as a faith under constantine when christianity really evolved its beliefs into the blaming of the jews for the murder of their messiah

Hey, I agree. Lots of people agree. In the Middle Ages the Bible was most definitely used as a tool to justify hatred towards Jews. At least in some cases.

But that's entirely different from saying christianity was created with that goal.

You just need to understand one other thing though: today it isn't acceptable anymore to justify hatred towards Jews with the Bible. I know people have used it in the 20th century as well, but today it really isn't accepted anymore so you need to acknowledge that christian beliefs have evolved further as well.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Well actually, jews were hated by the eygyptians, way before the time of jesus, you remember moses, dont you?

nothing like to the extent of the middle age era.

 

[Seven]

you keep saying conclusive evidence, but u havnt said what it is. so really you're making out to be a hypocryte for blaming me that i bring no evidence, till you show me this 'conclusive evidence' then jesus may or may have not existed.

There is some sort of conclusive evidence of a group of people disturbing both Jews and Romans in that period of time though. And I think we can all agree that christianity was born that century. Whether or not Jesus existed is really not that important as you make it out to be.

nothing like to the extent of the middle age era.

Oh? I'd say enslaving them is prettyyyy bad. Besides, there are reasons for that as well. Christianity in the Middle Ages didn't leave that much room for interpretation at times. A Jew was an enemy, but so was a Muslim. I don't know whether it's right to say medieval hate towards Jews was entirely directed towards Jews and not towards non-Christians.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Hey, I agree. Lots of people agree. In the Middle Ages the Bible was most definitely used as a tool to justify hatred towards Jews. At least in some cases.

But that's entirely different from saying christianity was created with that goal.

You just need to understand one other thing though: today it isn't acceptable anymore to justify hatred towards Jews with the Bible. I know people have used it in the 20th century as well, but today it really isn't accepted anymore so you need to acknowledge that christian beliefs have evolved further as well.

i was actually about to say in the modern age, acceptance for one another is common, mostly in the western world, and yes religion will always evolve like it did from when it was first created to its middle ages, to the modern day to the future

 

[Gill_juve]

you keep saying conclusive evidence, but u havnt said what it is. so really you're making out to be a hypocryte for blaming me that i bring no evidence, till you show me this 'conclusive evidence' then jesus may or may have not existed.

you obviously never read my post before. i said evidence from chroniclers such as the romans, arabs the disciples. i cant believe you are so defiant and seem to truly believe that jesus was not real. and you cant talk, you said that all chronicles are biased.