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[Eddy]

is that sarcasm? if so, why should i follow a religion whichi dont really believe in or willing to follow?

I was actually quite serious.

I don't necessarily believe in things happening for a reason. I hope they do though. There's not really a place for people who simply 'hope' yet, which kind of amazes me.

You'd think that, because we know we can only be agnostics from a logical point of view, you'd have large congregations of people hoping there is something, rather than believing in it.

Hence we will go back to square one, we will never know if there is a god. We ask questions, we dont get answers, all we do is come back in a huge fucking circle. And then out some inspiration, we start talking about god and religion. What if this, What if that, and then we go through that big circle once again, later on knowing we wasted an hour of our lives talking about something which we will never know throughout our lifetime.

 

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[Seven]

Hence we will go back to square one, we will never know if there is a god. We ask questions, we dont get answers, all we do is come back in a huge fucking circle. And then out some inspiration, we start talking about god and religion. What if this, What if that, and then we go through that big circle once again, later on knowing we wasted an hour of our lives talking about something which we will never know throughout our lifetime.

Yes, but therefore I find it reasonable to admit you don't know and don't believe in a God, but stop at hoping there is something. Because in the end, that's what we all do. We hope, nothing more.

 

[Gill_juve]

nothing like to the extent of the middle age era.

so chasing them across egypt and enslaving them, that not as bad? sure they have been persecuted heavily and been expellerd from many different countries for many years. but the fact is there has always been anti semitism from the time before jesus. Jesus' teaching started at the time of jews and there was no anti semitism from them at that point. so even if jesus hadnt died, there was still a large following regardless. you are just being bitter about the treatment of your people.

 

[Gill_juve]

I was actually quite serious.



Hence we will go back to square one, we will never know if there is a god. We ask questions, we dont get answers, all we do is come back in a huge fucking circle. And then out some inspiration, we start talking about god and religion. What if this, What if that, and then we go through that big circle once again, later on knowing we wasted an hour of our lives talking about something which we will never know throughout our lifetime.

fair enough.

 

[Seven]

you obviously never read my post before. i said evidence from chroniclers such as the romans, arabs the disciples. i cant believe you are so defiant and seem to truly believe that jesus was not real. and you cant talk, you said that all chronicles are biased.

Well, they are, one way or another. But that doesn't mean they're useless. Which is exactly what he called them. He seems to attach no value towards written texts, yet calls himself a Jew. This just might be a contradiction.

As for the whole discussion about Jesus. I believe he could have existed. I'm tempted to think he did even.

The whole argument has taken on surreal episodes. Here I am, an agnost, defending christianity against a self proclaimed Jew, who doesn't believe anything of the Torah because it is written down.

 

[rounder]

Thank you, exactly what I wanted to hear.

I believe in some sort of thing. I don't know if it's god because society calls it that. But I also do believe in things happening for a reason. People call that fate, I dont know if Im gona call it that but thats the best way to describe it at the moment.

same here , i believe in higher power if you want to call it that . I also believe things happen for a reason and not everything is coincidence . one thing im against is completely shitting down the existense of god or the credibility of any religion .

We simply don't have enough evidence to prove that there is or isn't god , but denying there is one is very ignorant .

 

[Gill_juve]

Well, they are, one way or another. But that doesn't mean they're useless. Which is exactly what he called them. He seems to attach no value towards written texts, yet calls himself a Jew. This just might be a contradiction.

As for the whole discussion about Jesus. I believe he could have existed. I'm tempted to think he did even.

sources are never useless, whether they be biased or fair, they all show a different viewpoint, something badarse cant understand.

 

[Seven]

sources are never useless, whether they be biased or fair, they all show a different viewpoint, something badarse cant understand.

For one lots of sources follow your point of view, whereas none seem to agree with Badass. Sure, badass might be the odd genious, but when no one agrees with people, you're usually dealing with morons.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

you obviously never read my post before. i said evidence from chroniclers such as the romans, arabs the disciples. i cant believe you are so defiant and seem to truly believe that jesus was not real. and you cant talk, you said that all chronicles are biased.

so now you're saying jesus existed for sure? im saying that im not entirely convinced and certainly not all if any of the miracles he performed, so make your mind up will u? and what the chronicles write doesnt mean its necessarily true it was written centuries ago possibly years after the suggested years of jesus' supposed years of his existance, since then things were past down by mouth and hand making alot of things exaggerated, with imput of other people' influences

 

[Badass J Elkann]

sources are never useless, whether they be biased or fair, they all show a different viewpoint, something badarse cant understand.

dont be a dick and resort to name calling because i might aswell not talk to you

 

[Gill_juve]

so now you're saying jesus existed for sure? im saying that im not entirely convinced and certainly not with the miracles he performed, so make your mind up will u? and what the chronicles write doesnt mean its necessarily true it was written centuries ago possibly years after the suggested years of jesus' supposed years of his existance, since then things were past down by mouth and hand making alot of things exaggerated, with imput of other people' influences

FFFFFFSSSSSSSSSS. what did i post to you earlier, fucking read it you fucking dumb cunt.

 

[Eddy]

Yes, but therefore I find it reasonable to admit you don't know and don't believe in a God, but stop at hoping there is something. Because in the end, that's what we all do. We hope, nothing more.

Of course. It is man's nature to hope.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

FFFFFFSSSSSSSSSS. what did i post to you earlier, fucking read it you fucking dumb cunt.

ah you know what this is where its gona get ugly so i choose not to even bother talking to u, i said dont resort to name calling and you do. having a debate is one thing i can deal with, but name calling is just a low form of showing frustration

 

[Gill_juve]

ah you know what this is where its gona get ugly so i choose not to even bother talking to u, i said dont resort to name calling and you do. having a debate is one thing i can deal with, but name calling is just a low form of showing frustration

yes i dont care anymore i am frustrated, that is becasue you are too stupid to listen to what anyone has to say or remember anything for longer than 5 seconds. heres what i said to you earlier about the existence of jesus:

no, but atleast i know there is some conclusive evidence which goes some way to proving that he did. whereas you are coming up with hypothetical situations which have no correctness.

precisely why theres no talking to you.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

yes i dont care anymore i am frustrated, that is becasue you are too stupid to listen to what anyone has to say or remember anything for longer than 5 seconds. heres what i said to you earlier about the existence of jesus:



precisely why theres no talking to you.

then in that case i dont know why u bothered to begin with, if you cant even hold to make your point in a more adult manner and having to resort to name calling because you're simply bad at getting your point across then you're more of a waste of time. and im saying in terms of what the chronicles write i still take it with a pinch of salt and still doesnt convince me enough to believe that he existed, or any of the miracles he performed, in another words there might be a chance that he did, and a chance that he didnt. but as a follower of the jewish faith im more inclined to beleive that jesus is NOT the man that christians perceive him as, ok?

 

[Gill_juve]

then in that case i dont know why u bothered to begin with, if you cant even hold to make your point in a more adult manner and having to resort to name calling because you're simply bad at getting your point across then you're more of a waste of time. and im saying in terms of what the chronicles write i still take it with a pinch of salt and still doesnt convince me enough to believe that he existed, or any of th emiracles he performed

its not that i'm bad at talking to people, its just because its like talking to a five year old about politics with you and at the same time aging five years.

 

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[rounder]

Yes, but therefore I find it reasonable to admit you don't know and don't believe in a God, but stop at hoping there is something. Because in the end, that's what we all do. We hope, nothing more.

true , all we have is hope . Faith is a beautiful thing for some people , it can really do wonders . I tried to have faith but it seems impossible sometimes , i always doubt and question and say " What if ? " . I guess that's also very important , to never really believe untill your convinced and not just say you believe for the sake of blending in . Maybe , someday something happens to change my mind , I always keep my mind open , i never say never , I always have hope .

 

[Badass J Elkann]

its not that i'm bad at talking to people, its just because its like talking to a five year old about politics with you and at the same time aging five years.

well not everyone has to have the same opinions, hence the idea of forums, only some members are and arn't so tollerable of other's ideas. if i was to say ive got evidence that god doesnt exist and tried to convince someone who did believe in god to believe it, do you think that they would go along with it, or stick by their beliefs?

 

[Gill_juve]

true , all we have is hope . Faith is a beautiful thing for some people , it can really do wonders . I tried to have faith but it seems impossible sometimes , i always doubt and question and say " What if ? " . I guess that's also very important , to never really believe untill your convinced and not just say you believe for the sake of blending in . Maybe , someday something happens to change my mind , I always keep my mind open , i never say never , I always have hope .

it is hard to comprehend our existence and where we all fit in in this world and universe. so you might aswell enjoy all the time you have.