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Tifoso

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
#43
Aug 12, 2005
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Erik-with-a-k said:
La Gazzetta dello Sport printed a script of phone conversations held by Luciano Moggi to several referees and other officials in Italian football. The scripts sparked an investigation into fraud among Serie A clubs and the results are history.



With the verdict still in the future, there are always some "maybe's" involved in answering this question. However, it appears Juventus are the pivot in the whole fraud scandal with several (ex-)directors involved in fraud, most notably Luciano Moggi.



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Relegation for a club like Juventus would come down to several things which I'll try to explain best as I can.

First of all, a professional football club's main sources of income are:
  1. Football (money from UEFA for winning matches etc)
  2. Sponsoring deals
  3. Merchandise
  4. Broadcasting rights

1) Clearly being banned from European competitions and Serie A would mean a serious dent in incomes through participation in leagues and tournaments. This amounts to a loss of millions of euros.

2) Sponsoring deals might not be a huge problem. Deals made with NIKE and other companies consist of long-running contracts and although the sponsors might negotiate cheaper deals on account of smaller audiences, it is unlikely there will be massive losses in this particular sector.

3) Merchandise might again not be a big problem, but sadly it doesn't make for a big part of the budget. This is the one sector where losing out on 90% of the income wouldn't be too serious.

4) Broadcasting rights is where the heavy blows are dealt. Broadcasting rights amount to gigantic sums of money that are based on the size of the audience watching the league in question. Clearly Serie C and even Serie B have much, much smaller audiences than Serie A and will generate much less income. In case of Serie C, virtually no income at all because these games are simply not broadcasted live anywhere, barring some regional stations or other meaningless sources. The income generated through broadcasting rights in the Serie C might resemble that of the Danish or Norwegian football league and thus Juventus would come to receive amounts of money that clubs like FC København and Rosenborg are living on.

Costs:
1) Player's salaries. This is where cuts in the budget will be made. With the Delle Alpi sucking up a truckload of money and incomes falling sharply, expensive players will either be offered a new (and cheap-ass) contract, or will be sold. The latter is a good option because not only do you save yourself the costs of high wages, but you also receive several millions in the transaction. For that reason, Juventus will be looking to sell virtually all of its expensive players, barring 3 or 4 that will need to form the spine of the new team and provide the necessary quality for the long road back to Serie A.

An additional problem is that players' contracts don't include clauses regarding relegation of the club. Clubs like Ancona and Reggina make sure there are rules in the contracts of players regarding relegation because it's a serious threat to them. In short, it means players could negotiate leaving on a free transfer, which would clearly be disastrous.

2) The youth academy. It costs a lot of money, but the club will be needing it. I would recommend adopting a similar structure as Ajax Amsterdam.

The overlooked problem:
Juventus is registered at the stock market. That's a problem. Shares will fall in case of relegation, and probably very sharply so, which will cost the club a lot of money. Also, if the club itself doesn't hold the majority of the shares, anyone willing can come in and buy himself a handful of cheap shares and that person will effectively become the new leader of the club. If Juventus have their business sorted out well (which I don't know), they will have a similar structure like Ajax, who hold the majority of their own shares themselves. If not, I predict a hostile take-over. Juventus could literally end up in a situation where anyone, even, say FC Internazionale, could easily buy the club and do with it as they please.
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Brilliant analysis. :)
 
Tifoso

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
#45
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
#45
Black&White. said:
Lou, where are you been? I haven't seen you for a long time
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I've been here, my friend...been ridiculously busy, then on vacation, then busy again. Should be around now. Thanks for noticing :)
 
Mozart

Mozart

F*ck the media
#46
Feb 3, 2006
520
#46
Italian scandal

The four Italian clubs involved in the match-fixing scandal have successfully argued their cases in an Italian appeals court and have manage to wriggle out of the original punishments and escaped unscathed - well, virtually.

AC Milan got themselves reinstated in the Champions League - subject to UEFA successfully processing their application for the qualifying phase - Fiorentina and Lazio were reinstated to Serie A, after initially being demoted to Serie B, and only agent provocateur Juventus failed to escape the second division.

The decision to strip the Old Lady of their last two league titles and relegate them to Serie B remains, although their points deduction was reduced from -30 to -17 meaning they will probably only spend one season out of the top flight.

Of the four teams involved only Juve will start the season out of the top flight and even that seems lenient punishment for twice cheating your way to the Scudetto. It just goes to show what can happen if you complain for long enough and loud enough. And know somebody, who knows somebody, who knows somebody....

Juve will, of course, appeal against the appeal court's decision. Forza Italia!

• Your Verdict:

After the Italian soccer court administered a partially correct decision (AC Milan should have been initially demoted as well), two teams have made it back into Serie A. Punishment for AC Milan? Hardly, an 8 point deduction would not have affected AC Milan's position in the league.

Now that Juventus are only 17 points from regaining a spot in Serie A, how is it that these punishments have taught a lesson to the infractors? This punishment is softer than the proverbial slap on the wrist.

After seemingly taking the right steps towards fixing such a corrupt league, the Italian soccer appeals court takes a step back. Maybe the corruption is not limited to the clubs, but is a part of the league's controlling parties as well.
Paul Goldsmith

I believe the punishments handed out and especially to Juve are politically driven. The Sports tribunal and Appeals court are so intently driven on showing the rest of Italy, Europe and the world that they are serious about cleaning up inproper and unfair acts by soccer clubs that they will hand out inappriopriate and unjustifiable punishments.

From the information I have seen the evidence against teams like Juve is very weak. Phone calls about referee's for preseason, not league matches and no clear evidence of match fixing. No evidence of money changing hands to pay referee's nor any other type of bribery. The tribunal also clearly stated that they had not reviewed past seasons in detail so how can they remove titles without clear evidence of match fixing and thus Juve being advantaged.

For the main referee's involved the stats show that there was no advantage to Juve when any of these refs were in control, as someone said to me jokingly, if Juve paid bribes I'd ask for my money back. Imagine our criminal courts if there was evidence showing you might have been involved in a crime but no clear proof and yet the court sentenced you to jail because it appeared you might have been involved.

Juve especially are the scape goats in this story being unfairly harshly punished so as it appears that the Italian league is serious about cleaning up the league and peoples perception of its corruptness. From the evidence the most that can be concluded based on the Italian leagues regulations is unsporting behaviour by the individuals involved and thus the clubs, for being in communication with the referee's association.

The punishment for this should be as has now been the case for all other 3 clubs involved and that is a points reduction for the upcomming season and not relegation, and especially not relegation and a points deduction.
Phillip

What a load of rubbish. Why go soft on these clubs when they are making a league ultimately non-competitive because of their match fixing. To be honest I am not surprised at the leniency&it just goes to show that corruption continues up to the highest level&well that's how it seems anyway
Barri Dullabh

The culture of cheating is endemic throughout Italian football - a consequence of a "whatever it takes" attitude. Simulation , or match-fixing, it is just the scale of the crime that is different. It seems to be a case of if you can think you can get away with it, then do it. This was illustrated once again in June and July this year. The same mentality that drove Grosso to cheat against Australia in the World Cup by diving in the penalty area in the 95th minute, is also the mentality that drove these big Italian clubs to fix matches.

And what makes it worse is that this is celebrated by Italian fans - who don't care how their teams win, as long as they do. Look at them now, crying over these punishments - as if their teams are the ones who have been treated unfairly.

In any country cheating - be it through drugs, simulation, bribery or match fixing - is a symptoms of the same problem: a desire to achieve victory at the expense of the sportsmanship which was once the foundation of the contest. Football authorities should do more than just punish the offenders, but work at all levels to change this disgraceful mentality.
Jason Ives, Sydney, Australia

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C4ISR

C4ISR

Senior Member
#52
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#52
I say we make an outline of all the double standards, inconsistencies, and other unfair rulings which have gone against Juve, because lets face it, the trial was clearly not handled properly, and the discrepency's between the intial verdict and the appeals prooves it was nothing but a witch hunt.
 

d.nico

Senior Member
#54
Apr 23, 2003
2,244
#54
1- The main events who started that calciopoli ?
Moggi rejected Berloss offer. Then La Gazzetta published Moggi's phone conversation.
2- Why juventus are involved in all this ?
Clear.
3- Possible reasons for that calciopoli and who u think started this ?
Berloss wanted to kick Moggi from football and make Juve suffer.
4- Main consequences
Serie-B, loss scudetti, financial loss.
 
C4ISR

C4ISR

Senior Member
#56
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#56
Does anyone want to work together to make a real outline. I cant stand reading all this non sense on the net, which does nothing but solidify ppl's ignorance. FFS its evident in the title "Match Fixing Scandal" (no evidence saying Juve fixed results). Inter connection, ignored facts by the media, etc. It should all be heard.

PM me if you're interested. Im really serious about doing this.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
#57
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#57
ReBeL said:
Well, I think Erik has summed up the whole situation in a very nice way...

I'll try to add some points in the form of Q & A :

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Q: What are the origins of the Calciopoli??

A: The allegations were uncovered as prosecutors investigated doping allegations at Juventus. That probe, which resulted in club doctor Riccardo Agricola being found guilty of administering drugs to players in the mid-90s, resulted in phone taps being ordered by Turin prosecutors.

As a result, Juventus have been implicated alongside AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio.

Juventus' general manager Luciano Moggi is at the centre of the scandal although he has protested his innocence. The suspected matches are 19 Serie A matches from the 2004-05 season and 14 Serie A matches from the 2005-06 season.

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Q: Who are the people that Moggi's recorded conversations were with??

A:
1-Pierluigi Pairetto, vice chairman of the UEFA Referees Committee: Moggi allegedly pressured him into appointing match referees who would favour Juventus.

2-Giuseppe Pisanu, Italian minister of the interior: Moggi allegedly wanted him not to postpone matches when Pope John Paul II was in ill health, in particular one match when Fiorentina would have had four players absent.

3-Marcello Lippi, coach of the Italian national football team: Moggi allegedly encouraged him to select players represented by GEA World, a sports agency founded by Moggi's son Alessandro.

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Q: Who are the players whose transfers are investigated??

A: Among the 41 players whose transfer details have been requested are French midfielder Zinedine Zidane, who was signed by Real Madrid from Juve in 2001 for a world record 75.1 million euros, Real Sociedad striker Darko Kovacevic, Benfica's Fabrizio Miccoli and Dutch goalkeeper Edwin Van Der Sar, currently with Manchester United, but signed from Juventus by Fulham.

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Q: Who are the other characters, else than Moggi, who are accused in this scandal??

A:

ANTONIO GIRAUDO - Former chief executive of Juventus. Also features prominently in the phone taps. Also under investigation by magistrates in Turin on suspicion of "false accounting" in relation to Juventus's transfer activities.

ADRIANO GALLIANI - Vice-president of AC Milan and former president of the Italian Football League, the organization that looks after the interests of clubs in Italy's top two divisions. His dual role had led to accusations of a conflict of interests.

LEONARDO MEANI - A member of Milan's management. Newspapers published phone taps in which he spoke to the official assigning linesmen in April 2005, complaining about a linesman he selected after Milan lost to Siena.

DIEGO DELLA VALLE and ANDREA DELLA VALLE - Diego Della Valle is the owner of Fiorentina. His brother Andrea is the club's president. In the phone taps the brothers complain about refereeing decisions with Moggi and FIGC official Paolo Bergamo in the 2004-05 season when the club risked relegation.

SANDRO MENCUCCI - Director general of Fiorentina. In phone taps dating from the end of the 2004-05 season he tells Bergamo and Innocenzo Mazzini (see both below) that Diego Della Valle will not continue to promote the interests of Serie A's smaller clubs in return for favours from referees.

CLAUDIO LOTITO - President of Lazio and its biggest shareholder. In the phone taps he tells former FIGC vice-president Innocenzo Mazzini that Diego Della Valle has made him "a bandit's offer" in relation to their game against Fiorentina at the end of the 2004-05 season. Lotito is also under investigation by magistrates in Milan on suspicion of market-rigging involving Lazio shares.

FRANCO CARRARO - Former FIGC president. Carraro resigned on May 8. He was questioned by magistrates on suspicion of knowing about the manipulation of refereeing appointments but doing nothing to stop it.

INNOCENZO MAZZINI - Former vice-president of the FIGC. Resigned on May 11. In intercepted telephone conversations with Moggi he makes disparaging references to Carraro and discusses which Juventus delegate will be attending a meeting on refereeing appointments.

COSIMO MARIA FERRI - A member of the FIGC's commission for economic disputes. Charged with knowing about the manipulation of refereeing appointments in relation to Lazio matches but doing nothing to stop it.

PIERLUIGI PAIRETTO - The FIGC official in charge of assigning referees to Serie A games during the 2004-05 season and a former member of UEFA's refereeing commission. In the phone taps he tells Moggi the name of the referee for Juventus's Champions League match against Ajax Amsterdam in September 2004 two weeks before the game. UEFA rules state the name of a referee is to be communicated only 48 hours before the match.

PAOLO BERGAMO - A former FIGC official. Worked with Pairetto during the 2004-05 season, assigning referees for Serie A games.

TULLIO LANESE - Former president of the Italian Referees Association. Investigated by FIGC magistrates on suspicion of knowing about Moggi's manipulation of referees but doing nothing to stop it.

GENNARO MAZZEI - A former FIGC official in charge of assigning linesmen to Serie A matches.

PIETRO INGARGIOLA - Former observer for the Italian Referees Association. In phone taps he claimed to have been present when Moggi and Giraudo locked referee Gianluca Paparesta in his dressing room following Juventus's 2-1 defeat by Reggina in November 2004. Ingargiola did not report the incident.

MASSIMO DE SANTIS - Italian referee. De Santis was the FIGC's proposed referee for the World Cup, but was withdrawn, along with two linesmen, after he was drawn into the match-fixing investigation.

PAOLO BERTINI - Serie A referee

PAOLO DONDARINI - Serie A referee

DOMENICO MESSINA - Serie A referee

GIANLUCA PAPARESTA - Serie A referee (see above)

GIANLUCA ROCCHI - Serie A referee

PASQUALE RODOMONTI - Serie A referee

PAOLO TAGLIVENTO - Serie A referee

FABRIZIO BABINI and CLAUDIO PUGLISI - Leonardo Meani asked Gennaro Mazzei for Babini and Puglisi to be assigned to Milan's match against Chievo Verona in April 2005. Puglisi was a noted Milan fan. Meani got his wish and his team beat Chievo 1-0.

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Q: What are the accustaions that maybe targeted to Moggi??

A:
a) Interfering with refs in Serie A, the Champions League and junior football.
b) Telling the Italy coach to pick players represented by his son’s agency.
c) Locking a ref in his dressing room.
d) Sending secret funds to the Vatican bank for safety.
e) Telling his contacts at the anti-drug labs to falsify Juve players’ dope tests.
f) Instructing TV producers to edit and change virtual reality replays of contentious moments in Juve matches to favour the Bianconeri.

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Q: Are all the investigations going on in the same city??

A: No, There are four criminal investigations going on which are linked to the scandal in Italian football. They are in:

NAPLES - This started after the telephone conversations were leaked to the press. The central figure is Luciano Moggi, but magistrates are questioning 41 people after identifying 19 matches which they believe to be suspicious.

ROME - Concerning GEA, the largest company of football agents in Italy with over 220 professional footballers and coaches on their books. It is run by Moggi's son Alessandro.

TURIN - Magistrates are looking into the transfer dealings of Juventus. Moggi and another former Juventus director, Antonio Giraudo, are suspected of falsifying accounts and tax evasion.

PARMA - Juventus goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon and three former players, Antonio Chimenti, Mark Iuliano and Enzo Maresca, are under investigation for alleged illegal gambling on Serie A matches.

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Q: What are the direct consequences??

A: 1- Many resignations in the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) including president Franco Carraro and vice-president Innocenzo Mazzini

2-Juventus' entire board of directors resigned on 11 May. Moggi resigned shortly after Juve won the 2006 Serie A championship on 14 May.
3-The share of Juve has went down more than 40 percent during the period after the first transcriptions were revealed...
4-The general opinion in Italy was much affected by the allegations. Even the host of Italy's most popular soccer show, Aldo Biscardi, has resigned amid allegations that he collaborated with Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi to boost the club's image on television.

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Q: What's the situation of other clubs involved in the case??

A: There are many clubs which are involved in this case, and the degree of their punishment will be based on how much they are thought to be involved in match-fixing…

1-Milan: Milan started this case by attacking Juve and demanding to take the last 2 scudetti won by Juve because they thought that only Juve would be punished. Now, Milan, knowing their destiny will be attached to others in this case, are attacking the whole trial which...

According to the transcripts, Milan chairman Adriano Galliani — who is also president of the Italian soccer league — apparently had club management member Leonardo Meani make arrangements with referees commission secretary Manfredi Martino.

Meani was reportedly told by Martino two days before a game against Chievo Verona that Gianluca Paparesta would officiate the match. Martino also informed Meani that the team's linesman of choice, Claudio Puglisi, was assigned to the game.

2- Lazio: Lotito is under investigation by magistrates in Milan on suspicion of market-rigging involving Lazio shares.

3-Fiorentina: A telephone conversation between the recently-resigned FIGC vice-president Innocenzo Mazzini and a Fiorentina official Sandro Mencucci, in which the former explained to the latter what the club needed to do to stay in the first division. Fiorentina just managed to stay in the first division in the 2004/05 season with the same number of points as relegated Bologna.

4- Sampdoria: under suspicion over its 3-0 win over Fiorentina in February last year, which involved a referee allegedly picked to favour the Genoa club

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Q: How are the Italian clubs affected in the European tournaments??

A: The involved teams could be found ineligible to compete in the 2006-07 season of the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Cup, and the Italian Cup. Based on their final league positions, Juventus and Milan would enter the Champions League, Inter Milan and Fiorentina would enter the third qualifying round of the Champions League, and A.S. Roma, Lazio, and Chievo would be eligible for the UEFA Cup.

The list of Italian participants in next season's competitions was due to UEFA on 5 June. On June 6, the FIGC officially withdrew from the 2006 Intertoto Cup, costing Palermo a place in the third round of the competition, citing the fact that the 2005-06 Serie A standings could not be confirmed by the 5 June deadline. FIFA have given FIGC an informal July 25 deadline to confirm the standings or face sanctions in the two larger European competitions.

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Q: What are the losses that Juve may suffer as a consequence of this scandal??

A: 1- Well, the image of the club has been much hurt, and many years will have to come until people all over the world start to forget...

2-the club risks being relegated to Serie B or even to third division Serie C.

3- Contracts with Mediaset and Sky, which has satellite broadcast rights, have clauses that allow the terms to be renegotiated if Juventus is relegated to a lower division

4- A 10 mln eur contract for next season''s mobile phone rights with Hutchison Whampoa Ltd unit 3 Italia could be cancelled if Juventus is relegated

5-Nike merchandising deal worth 14 mln eur a year could be cancelled if Juventus drops out of Serie A for two consecutive seasons, which would be the case if it was relegated as low as Serie C.

6- 20 mln eur a year shirt sponsorship deal could be withdrawn by oil company Tamoil.

7- investors, media companies, the players and fans could all have claims for compensation against Juventus, which may lead to the club to announce being broke up...

8- delays in building Juventus new stadium will mean the loss of 20-25 mln eur a year expected from a major sponsor

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Q: Who are the beneficiaries of such scandal in Italy??

A: Well, it is very clear that the whole Italian football has been hit by this scandal, but the scandal can be useful for some parties like:

1- Inter Milan: The club which waited since 1989 to see the scudetto in their captains' hands seems so eager to capture the last two scudetti won by Juve claiming that they are the best HONEST club in Serie A...

2- Clubs which will replace the relegated clubs in next season's Champions League and UEFA Cup...

Q: Is this the first scandal that happens regarding Italian football??

A: Of course, no..

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TORINO STRIPPED OF THE SERIE A TITLE, 1927

At the end of the 1926-27 season, Juventus's city rivals, Torino, celebrated their first Serie A title before a newspaper article prompted the Italian Football Federation to investigate claims that the club had bribed opposition players. The investigation found that a Torino official had paid Juventus defender Luigi Allemandi 50,000 lire to underperform in the derby, which Torino won 2-1. Torino were stripped of the title and Allemandi was banned for life, but he was granted an amnesty the following year when the Italian football team won bronze at the Olympic Games.

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AC MILAN, LAZIO RELEGATED FOR MATCH-FIXING, 1980

The match-fixing scandal that broke at the end of the 1979-80 season rivaled the scale of the current one. AC Milan president Felice Colombo and players from Lazio, Avellino, Perugia, Genoa and Lecce were arrested for match-fixing and illegal betting. Colombo was banned from football for life. Several players, including former national team goalie Enrico Albertosi and Italy's 1982 World Cup hero Paolo Rossi, also received bans.

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THE JUVENTUS DOPING TRIAL, 2001-present

The controversy began in July 1998 when Czech coach Zdenek Zeman, then in charge of AS Roma, told Italian magazine L'Espresso that "Italian football has to get out of the pharmacy", and pointed a finger at Juventus. The resulting investigation by Turin magistrate Raffaele Guariniello concluded club doctor Riccardo Agricola had doped players between 1994 and 1998. Agricola was found guilty and handed a 22-month suspended prison term at the end of the first trial in November 2004. That sentence was overturned on appeal in December 2005. A third and definitive ruling is expected later this year.

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GENOA SENT DOWN FROM SERIE A TO SERIE C1, 2005

At the end of last season Italy's oldest club, Genoa, won promotion back into the top flight after finishing top of Serie B. The celebrations were cut short when a federation investigation found the club guilty of paying Venezia 250,000 euros to guarantee a win in their final game of the season. Instead of going up, Genoa were demoted to Serie C1, Italy's third division.

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Q: Is match-fixing a trademark for Italy??

A: Of course not. Here is a list of major soccer match-fixing scandals in recent months:

GERMANY - German referee Robert Hoyzer, who admitted fixing matches, was sentenced to two years and five months in prison last November for his role in the biggest match-fixing scandal to hit the country in more than 30 years. Hoyzer and another referee, Dominik Marks, were found guilty of rigging games in return for payment from Ante Sapina, the Croatian ringleader of a two million euro ($2.34 million) betting fraud. Former Bundesliga player Steffen Karl was convicted of accepting money from Sapina to throw matches and received a nine-month suspended sentence.

BELGIUM - Five Belgian clubs are under police investigation along with many officials, players and individuals connected with the game. The probe began after internet betting exchange Betfair logged heavy betting patterns relating to La Louviere's 3-1 win over St Truiden on Oct. 29, 2005. Both clubs have denied any involvement. The Belgian FA launched their own match-fixing investigation in February after a programme by Flemish national broadcaster VRT alleged seven first division matches this season were fixed.

AUSTRIA - Austrian police are investigating two alleged attempts at match rigging involving the coach of first division Sturm Graz and one of the team's players. Coach Michael Petrovic and striker Bojan Filipovic are accused of accepting bribes from a Germany-based gambling syndicate in return for trying to throw the league matches against Salzburg and Austria Vienna. Both deny any wrongdoing.

CZECH REPUBLIC - Seven referees and three officials were convicted in January of giving and taking bribes to fix the matches of first division team Synot, now called Slovacko, in the 2003/2004 season. Ivan Hornik, the sporting director of Czech soccer club Viktoria Zizkov received a suspended seven-month sentence in March and was fined 900,000 Czech crowns ($37,690) for offering bribes to referees and soccer officials.

GREECE - Croatian Sapina, convicted of involvement in match-fixing in Germany, has been charged with fraud in connection with a UEFA Cup tie in Greece in 2004. UEFA, European soccer's governing body, launched a probe in late 2004 into the Panionios-Dinamo Tbilisi match, which Panionios won 5-2 after trailing 1-0 at halftime. British betting companies at the time noted unusually heavy betting on such a scenario, prompting the investigation. While UEFA officially never closed the investigation, it has not announced any findings.

VIETNAM - Vietnamese police have filed criminal charges against six footballers accused of fixing a match against Myanmar at the Southeast Asian Games in 2005. State media said two of the players had confessed to agreeing to ensure Vietnam beat Myanmar by no more than one goal in the group stage match, allowing bookmakers to offer attractive odds on the country winning by more than a goal. Vietnam beat Myanmar 1-0 but lost to Thailand in the final held in the Philippines.
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Sorry for getting this thread alive again, but I just found this site about the scandal where the main explanation for the scandal is the same post I posted here last July...

I was so surprised when reading it...

The funny thing is that the guy didn't say he was a spy on our forum:D , and another funny thing is that he posted that and dated it on 12th July, 2006 while I posted the original post on 13th July:D

I was really surprised :confused2
http://calcioitaliascandal.blogspot.com/2006/07/faq-calciopoli-scandal-2006.html
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
#59
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#59
The Pado said:
@ReBel - I just went to that blog and emailed "You are a thief, having stolen every word from juventuz.com"
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I did the same, Pado...:p

At least, he could put something referring to this forum...
 
AngelaL

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
#60
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
#60
There is probably more to add & I admit that this effort is from memory, but here my contribution.

The main events: -
1) Inter owned Telecom Italia making illicit phonetaps on a lot of people with football connections i.e players, managers, directors, referees, officials in La Liga & Figc since 2002 in order to try & "dig up the dirt" on inter's rivals. It probably took them until 2004/5 to realise that they had to edit tapes to make them look bad. (I remember reading the transcripts somewhere online & there were "........" where some of the conversation had been edited out! Then when I saw a programme where James Richardson was looking into the "Calciopoli" I watched Luciano Moggi "making a phone call" & the taped phonecall had been edited yet again!)
2) Inter's main rivals for the title were Juventus (Italy's most successful club), Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio & Roma, the latter of whom have a habit of blowing their chances.
3) These tapes were anonimously handed in to police by the underworld (now where did they obtain them from & what was in it for them????)
4) The police investigated the "Moggi" tapes, but they decided that there was nothing to investigate & shelved them.
5) The tapes were then leaked to the press. (Now who did that???) (If it was the police as implied, that was prejudicing any possible court case.)
6) Italian press (the guttersnipes of the world media) see the opportunity to increase their sales & published them, no doubt exaggerating as they are wont to do.
7) Berlusconi, seeing the opportunity to seize the scudettos of 2004/5 & 2005/6 starts mouthing off that Juve's titles be awarded to Milan, unaware that "dirt had been dug up on them" too!
8) Figc decide to investigate & inter manage to pass Guido Rossi off as an impartial judge to be in charge of the investigation. New PM Romano Prodi demands that calcio be cleaned up.
(There was a rumour that moratti gave him a large "donation" to either Prodi or Prodi's political party, but I don't know how true this is.)
9) Fiorentina, Lazio & Milan are dragged into the mire with Juventus.
10) Figc judge Guido holds his kangaroo court, not allowing evidence to be examined nor allowing the accused time to defend themselves. He sentences Milan to penaly points, Lazio & Fiorentina to penalty points plus relegation to serie B, & relegates Juve to serie B with enough penalty points to ensure they stay there for 2 years.
11) The clubs appeal their sentences at CONI. There is a reduction in points & Fiorentina & Lazio are back in serie A. They are not satisfied & threaten to go to TAR.
12) FIFA muscle in and threaten Italian FA, who subsequently threaten the clubs involved. They agree to a further appeal to CONI. .
13) Rossi stands down & gets prime position in Telecom Italia
14) There are further reductions in some teams penalties (although not Milan, who would be inter's main rival with Juve in serie B).
15) It is discovered that there have been illicit phone taps as per point one above. PM Prodi demands they be destroyed.

Oh, sorry I missed one - a month before the 2005/6 season ends, mancini tell his team that they will have the 2005/6 scudetto awarded to them. When the team point out that they could not achieve that because they did not have enough points, mancini waves away their protests.

Why Juventus are involved.

1) They were inter's rival. inter hate Juve because Juve are the most successful club in Italy. They also involved Milan, Lazio & Fiorentina so that they would also be penalised to make it easier for inter to "win" the next scudetto on the field. By getting people like Galliano penalised, they can manouvre interesti into positions in Figc/La Liga to manipulate things from the inside.
2) Moggi was Juve's Svengali, who had been offered a job with inter - a job he did not take up. So another reason was to make Moggi pay for rejecting inter.

Possible reasons for Calciopoli.

1) Inter owned Telecom Italia making illicit phonetaps on a lot of people with football connections i.e players, managers, directors, referees, officials in La Liga & Figc since 2002 in order to try & "dig up the dirt" on inter's rivals with the aim of getting them penalised.
2) Inter wanted their rivals penalised so that inter would "win" the next scudetti. They used Rossi's position to fix the court case. The penalty for Juve was excessive because inter hate Juve.
3) To get people out of Figc/La Liga via suspensions of individuals, & replace them with interesti.
4) Revenge on Moggi for rejecting inter's job offer.
5) Gutterpress reaction to the "leaked" tapes.
6) Romano Prodi's interference.(Now why did he do that)
7) Berlusconi mouthing off.
(There's probably more)

Who started this.

That's obvious - massimo moratti!

Main consequences.

1) Referees that would not fix matches in favour of inter banned.
2) Milan, Lazio, & Fiorentina have no chance of winning the scudetto 2006/7 & may not even get a CL place next year: Juventus's chances of doing so are even further away
3) Financial loss to all 4 clubs, especially for Juventus!
4) A loss of top players for Juventus, making it harder for them.
5) Referees fixing matches for inter (blatant partiality), which is spoiling the game, leading to -
6) A loss in revenue for Italian clubs because people are staying away from matches, and
7) A loss in revenue via TV rights - Bravo has decided that as of 23rd December, they will no longer provide coverage of serie A matches because of the calciopoli & Juventus being relegated causing a drop in the number of people watching the games on TV.
 
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