'The Broken City' (25 Viewers)

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,909
A little odd that both Alen and Hoori got special roles considering their vRelationship if Jasp really did pick the roles randomly :p
The first PM I got was "You are a civilian"

After half an hour I got this from Jasper "Aren't you lucky? Red told me that he won't play. He was the detective. Now you are the detective"
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Nope Fred, nothing suspicious about my investigations. And how could there be anything suspicious? The only way to know that is to know your passwords or to trick Janna into telling me who are the Gs, but none of that happened :D

Actually, it was gonna be 4/4 and maybe even 5/5 (depending who I'd have chosen between Janna and Cheese) but Hoori simply had to ask me to investigate Klin.
You and Tahir were my most suspicious players with your defending of me. After you were confirmed G, Tahir simply had to be investigated. Osman was gonna be my #3 after he became a whole different player that day. Kate was my sure #4 after a post she made (she knows which one, the one where I told her that her post was very helpful. She literally told me that she's a G with that post because what she said was so true and so logical that she had to be a G to come to the conclusion she came with).

Why don't you people acknowledge my perceptive skills :stuckup:
I could understand you going for me in the first day, i made a huge mistake by defending you, like i said, i used that trick before i shouldn't have used it again. It was somewhat understandable that you'd get Ze too, but how you knew from the start who the civilians were, and how you got Kate later on, you only made one mistake, and something tells me it was intentional. Still, you could have just been too good and if you were kudo's to you for a game masterly played, if not, then you can bask in your fake glory :p
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Btw Alen we might have whacked you on day one. But then decided not to, for two reasons, first you were always going to be one of the suspects and people could have lynched you later on, second we wanted the game to be more enjoyable. We had to give Jasper our whack target on 11:00 AM, which really handicapped us, we didn't have anything to go by at the time. So we just chose a random inactive poster, someone people wouldn't lynch anyway. We already chose our whack target when you revealed you were the detective. We could have just whacked you then and there if it wasn't for the stupid deadline in the first day.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
Almost as odd as you and Fred being on the mafia team together :p
Yeah but Gaddafi defied the odds :p

The first PM I got was "You are a civilian"

After half an hour I got this from Jasper "Aren't you lucky? Red told me that he won't play. He was the detective. Now you are the detective"
So then the question is if he hat picked again or not.

And that reminds me: he accidentally picked Bozi as a G and pm'd him along with us and then he said he'd ask him to sit this game out.
 

Kate

Moderator
Feb 7, 2011
18,595
Nope Fred, nothing suspicious about my investigations. And how could there be anything suspicious? The only way to know that is to know your passwords or to trick Janna into telling me who are the Gs, but none of that happened :D

Actually, it was gonna be 4/4 and maybe even 5/5 (depending who I'd have chosen between Janna and Cheese) but Hoori simply had to ask me to investigate Klin.
You and Tahir were my most suspicious players with your defending of me. After you were confirmed G, Tahir simply had to be investigated. Osman was gonna be my #3 after he became a whole different player that day. Kate was my sure #4 after a post she made (she knows which one, the one where I told her that her post was very helpful. She literally told me that she's a G with that post because what she said was so true and so logical that she had to be a G to come to the conclusion she came with).

Why don't you people acknowledge my perceptive skills :stuckup:
Ha, I was only using information that you guys had already posted. I guess the trick is to act stupid.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
20,827
agree with fred but the deadline on first day killed us

we were really planning to whack you alen
damn I was so nervous when you pmed me you going to investigate me
I thought there I go. But I pulled you off :D
So I said to the G's alen is the D but ofcourse they didn't believe me.

yesterday was a guess but I said that sab is the bg and we should had whacked her :andy2:
if the G's only had listen to me and we still had a change to win it.

greeting gangster Bezzy from Napoli :alen:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,488
The Kate part I'm talking about is this....


I investigate Klin, he's a civilian. With Hoori we decide to go after a possible G and vote him out. We go after Melo.
Everyone trusts Hoori and votes Melo.

Then Kate comes up with this during the voting, before we knew that Melo is a C:
"Maybe Hoori investigated someone who turned out to be a civilian and she decided to make a blind guess with Melo"

That was soooo true, but how can a normal civilian come with such a conclusion? Only somebody who knows that Melo is a C can come to that conclusion. And only a G could know that Melo is a C.

After that I knew that we're making a mistake with Melo, but I also knew that Kate is a G.
Agreed, I was 100% avoiding a post like that or questionning Hoori about Melo in any way, just act like its a fact and natural. Then I saw Kates posts and sincerely hoped it slipped past you, guess it didnt. Btw, Hoori going for Melo, was convinced it was a trap, a patzy to set up in votes and see how peeps vote and react, then you would change at the end. But the fact it wasnt was the first time I seriously thought Hoori might not be the D (and reason whacked her, otherwise wouldnt taken the risk).

Was kinda hopeless case for Gs, but in hindsight should micomanaged our efforts, didnt have any contact basically with any except discussing whack targets with ALC. Or pming Janna to stay fucking anonymous, she was making some bizzare posts that 100% should have given her away as G. Just like Ze suprised she wasnt suspected (not taken her seriously enough, everyone should be taken seriously, equal threats), told her to stay low. She mainly did by posting the same tip your hat smiley, if I was still a C, I would grilled her just for that lol.

But in general, I repeat, its very boring its like almost 90 pages and it was VERY few cases of ANYONE grilling or questionning others, part of it is understandable for having G investigations to follow, but nothing of the vital inbetween of manipulating or heavily questionning eachother (just brief finger pointings with zero follow up).
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,488
You have the looks of a gangster :stuckup:

Seriously, I don't know lol, I thought either you or Melo was a G :p
I know it makes it hard to sense Gs with so little tangible postings, but I think outcome would been very different if Alen was killed instead of you (not just because of being D, but thought pattern) :D I wasnt first realizing if you were serious enough, but then you were, and you were basically suspecting a list of 100% civilians, was nice distraction hehe.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,488
I could understand you going for me in the first day, i made a huge mistake by defending you, like i said, i used that trick before i shouldn't have used it again. It was somewhat understandable that you'd get Ze too, but how you knew from the start who the civilians were, and how you got Kate later on, you only made one mistake, and something tells me it was intentional. Still, you could have just been too good and if you were kudo's to you for a game masterly played, if not, then you can bask in your fake glory :p
I'm not sure if you still followed the thread since you died early, but the turn of events was fairly simple ones, in the positon Alen was in, he was pretty unchallenged (if he hadnt investigated me would given him something to fight against hehe), Cs and Gs were equally of few words mostly, but allways in last days clear patterns emerge, so pretty not really complicated.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,488
Ha, I was only using information that you guys had already posted. I guess the trick is to act stupid.
Yep, basically, and civilians are supposed to be confused and oblivious, basically retarded of whats going on lol, so its usually about playacting that mindset. It takes little experience and some basic subterfuge.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,909
I do. You won the game for the Cs singlehandedly :agree:
I won't be modest. I did do that :D

And one thing I hope you learned from this game, which will make you an even better player, is how to spot the gangsters. You always rushed into accusing TWW, Klin, Melo and the likes of being gangsters simply because those fuckers acted like gangsters. Those who act like Gs are usually crazy and unpredictable paranoid civilians and I told you many times during this game to completely ignore TWW and the likes and analyze them only in the last days. The Gs are those who seem like civilians. The way to find them is to observe them and wait for a slip that even they won't know that it was a slip (just see Kate's reaction above). Either that or to know the players well and to see that something's not right. I mean, Fred and Tahir defending me of all people :D Or Osman and Deneb in the first days. They were such clear civilians that I even wanted to scream and tell them what's going on :D
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,909
alen did I play good?
or did you knew I was a G but you just kept me in the game?
You played really good Janna.

I didn't know that you were a G. I started suspecting you on day 2 but you played so well that I couldn't be sure if you're a G or not. Unlike Fred, Tahir, Osman and Kate, you played well and you hid your role, keeping us all confused.

You played better than all the other Gs, even though you're probably not even aware that you were playing well.
 

Kate

Moderator
Feb 7, 2011
18,595
You played really good Janna.

I didn't know that you were a G. I started suspecting you on day 2 but you played so well that I couldn't be sure if you're a G or not. Unlike Fred, Tahir, Osman and Kate, you played well and you hid your role, keeping us all confused.

You played better than all the other Gs, even though you're probably not even aware that you were playing well.
Because she rarely spoke!
 

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