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Man, you are delusional. I will respond you later with more details, just remind me. 
I will just say this: Conte = 3 Serie A trophies, and a Premier League trophy coming up as a debut coach in a foreign league with great competition. Allegri = 3 Serie A trophies, 2 Coppa Italia's. By the way, Allegri started his coaching career earlier. Did Allegri manage to win even 1 European trophy? No. So how exactly is he a better coach? Judging by their stats, they are about the same.
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By stating that Arnie is cooler than Stallone? Which like 75% of the world's population think so?
Benitez for instance comes to mind as-well.
Benitez at liverpool:
04/05 (5th in the league)
05/06 (3rd in the league)
06/07 (3rd in the league)
07/08 (4th in the league)
08/09 (2nd in the league)
09/10 (7th in the league)
6 seasons at Liverpool finishing 2nd once and not even a threat to Ferguson. He settled mostly for CL qualification, he may not be a joke literally but by the standards we are talking he can be considered an average coach.
And my point was that Andy suggested Allegri never won the CL yet, Benitez won the CL and yet he's not half the coach Max is, no doubt about that if someone really knows his football.
04/05 (5th in the league)
05/06 (3rd in the league)
06/07 (3rd in the league)
07/08 (4th in the league)
08/09 (2nd in the league)
09/10 (7th in the league)
6 seasons at Liverpool finishing 2nd once and not even a threat to Ferguson. He settled mostly for CL qualification, he may not be a joke literally but by the standards we are talking he can be considered an average coach.
And my point was that Andy suggested Allegri never won the CL yet, Benitez won the CL and yet he's not half the coach Max is, no doubt about that if someone really knows his football.
Winning CL alone isnt ofcourse the only criteria, tho consistently or convincingly doing is the hall mark of the best coaches. To differentiate the Ancelotti, Peps, Mourinhos etc from Di Matteos, Rijkaards, and yes Benitez too.
But what i meant with Liverpool is, tho he was mediocre 2nd half of his years with them, he still did in overall a quite good job for them. He was a cup/tourno coach, and his Euro pedigree was real good for club like that. Because lets face it, its still Liverpool who havent done shit before and after him in long long time. Yeah he didnt really content for league titles except for twice a little while, but not too many expected that of Pool. Nor was he the ideal coach for such a marathon underdog goal like league title. But dont agree saying he was joke or average with them, inconsistent latter, but mainly did real good job with them. Average coaches are the coaches that came after him or were his predesssors in Pool. Or most of the run of the mill coaches he faced in EPL at the time. We shouldnt forget that he had a profound tactical influence on english football at the time, in a league that was starved of tactical organisation. Both him and Mourinho pretty much made the league a 4-2-3-1 conservative league for a while.
But what i meant with Liverpool is, tho he was mediocre 2nd half of his years with them, he still did in overall a quite good job for them. He was a cup/tourno coach, and his Euro pedigree was real good for club like that. Because lets face it, its still Liverpool who havent done shit before and after him in long long time. Yeah he didnt really content for league titles except for twice a little while, but not too many expected that of Pool. Nor was he the ideal coach for such a marathon underdog goal like league title. But dont agree saying he was joke or average with them, inconsistent latter, but mainly did real good job with them. Average coaches are the coaches that came after him or were his predesssors in Pool. Or most of the run of the mill coaches he faced in EPL at the time. We shouldnt forget that he had a profound tactical influence on english football at the time, in a league that was starved of tactical organisation. Both him and Mourinho pretty much made the league a 4-2-3-1 conservative league for a while.
It was a bit different. When Allegri arrived in the summer of 2014, we were still playing a 352. He sticked with that for a while (because hes not a moron like Pep, whod come to a treble winner and change the formation, while moving the best RB in the world at that moment to DM). We were playing like usual in Serie A but it was clear that at some point we would switch to a 4man defense, and once we did we went on to an almost treble winning season. During the summer we changed the team a lot. Allegri wanted an AM, but there werent any worthy ones in the market so we settled with Hernanes and Cuadrado. Allegri tried 4312, 433, 442 with them, but none worked, which seemingly was the best fit for that group of players once our injured players returned and Pogba, Cuadrado, AS and Dybala caught form. This season we continued on last seasons success, so we signed someone improvements and replacements for the 352 (CF, CM, CB, RWB). But since we didnt have the physicality in the midfield to play it successfully anymore, Allegri pulled an ace out of his sleeve and so we have the 4231 now. So with Allegri we went:
2014/15: 352->4312 (433 few times with Coman-Pepe)
2015/16: 4312->433->442->352 (played 451 vs Bayern)
2016/17: 352->4312/4321->4231
Its similar to what you das but we never changed back to 352 in 2014/15, we started the season with it and moved to a 4312 around October. It was in 2015/16 we went with every possible formation before changing back to 352. Not trying to argue anything, just fixing your statements.
I think we can agree on that Conte deserves credit for his 3 year period here ofcourse, so does Allegri for his (and Marotta for both). But what I have a problem with is giving someone credit for another coaches success (not necessary talking about you), as well as for players performances beyond his time at the club. If for example Allegri leaves in the summer and we get Spalletti, who goes on to win a CL and 3 scudetti, and people go on and say it was because of Allegri installiing a winning mentality and formation in Europe, id argue against that too
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btw, would people be OK with Cesare as our next coach. And between him, Montella and Spalletti, who would people prefer
2014/15: 352->4312 (433 few times with Coman-Pepe)
2015/16: 4312->433->442->352 (played 451 vs Bayern)
2016/17: 352->4312/4321->4231
Its similar to what you das but we never changed back to 352 in 2014/15, we started the season with it and moved to a 4312 around October. It was in 2015/16 we went with every possible formation before changing back to 352. Not trying to argue anything, just fixing your statements.
I think we can agree on that Conte deserves credit for his 3 year period here ofcourse, so does Allegri for his (and Marotta for both). But what I have a problem with is giving someone credit for another coaches success (not necessary talking about you), as well as for players performances beyond his time at the club. If for example Allegri leaves in the summer and we get Spalletti, who goes on to win a CL and 3 scudetti, and people go on and say it was because of Allegri installiing a winning mentality and formation in Europe, id argue against that too
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Best coach in history is the one that makes Balotelli work 
btw, would people be OK with Cesare as our next coach. And between him, Montella and Spalletti, who would people prefer
Man, you are delusional. I will respond you later with more details, just remind me. I will just say this: Conte = 3 Serie A trophies, and a Premier League trophy coming up as a debut coach in a foreign league with great competition. Allegri = 3 Serie A trophies, 2 Coppa Italia's. By the way, Allegri started his coaching career earlier. Did Allegri manage to win even 1 European trophy? No. So how exactly is he a better coach? Judging by their stats, they are about the same.
not rating him as a coach or personal preference? (i havent followed him at all since leaving Azzurri bench but he did well at Fiorentina and had an Euro final with the NT)
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did Conte have a good Euro though? QF is not good enough for Italy, a nation that always has the goal to win
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did Conte have a good Euro though? QF is not good enough for Italy, a nation that always has the goal to win
Prandelli had a mental collapse only on par with the worst of Leverkusen or Roma defeats after the euro finals. He became the personification of a weak mentality, his unjustifiable decisions leading up to the world cup made everyone in Italy hate him. He countered that with constant scapegoating and complaining to the media about his own failures. The he followed that up with a massive blunder with Galatasaray, getting fired, taking a long break only to go coach Valencia, suck, and then quit 2 months later.
lol yeah, now i remember that he coached Valencia, completely forgot about it. didnt really pay attention to the details about him during his Italy stint. the things i remember him for is the very good Euro, a decent Confederations Cup and a mediocre WC. but according to what you say. he was a disaster. completely different from the image i had of him from his Fiorentina days