Teun Koopmeiners - AM C/M C - Atalanta (15 Viewers)

[Lion]

if fagioli will have a 90% pass accuracy and rabiot plays a true physical dm then i can see koopmeiners doing fine with them behind him. (funny how everyone just forgot about locatelli lol)

valuation is an other thing. i don't think we can afford him and going by the news he's obviously too expensive, but if the club considers it a feasible deal then who the fuck i am to question it

man i really wish we get ederson. been wanting him all season and imo it wold mean never seeing locatelli as dm ever again. put him box to box to box in rabiot place.

this team doesn't have a player to do the dirty work in mid sine matuidi. locatelli and rabiot don't cut it in that role.

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[Xperd]

I understand the apprehensions about Atalanta players in general and I do agree we certainly need a DM to do the dirty work but it just appears to me that we are re-working our entire midfield. I don't think he's the only signing in midfield that we'll make.

Our midfield is in dire need of quality so I don't fault the club for trying to sign a player who has posted a double digit goal tally in the league for the past couple of seasons. Besides he's eclectic, can play various positions in midfield that this club values.

We are getting a new coach, will be playing in a new system and likely to create more chances per game. Apart from that one anomaly of a season from Fagiot where he scored 9 goals, JJ haven't seen many goals from midfield since Vidal/Pogba days.

If Motta and Toli are convinced by him(which appears to be the case), then they must be seeing him as someone who can make a real difference to this midfield.

 

[cimenk]

real homies don't buy EA games.

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wish juve went for ederson. been very impressive and a under apperciated mid that does the dirty work. exactly what this team needs. a hard working dm to protect the defense and finally no more locatelli in that role.

Both of Koopmeiners and Ederson will have quite same price tag from Atalanta. It depends what we are look for in midfield.

We already have Locatelli and possibly extend Rabiot so in defensive phase midfielder we already covered. We need Loca to be able to return to his Sassuolo form which he is one of the midfield with most progressive passes, passes to final third. We also have Fagioli that can play as regista and control midfield like Jorginho.

So we need midfielder that good in attacking phase, can create or scoring goals which is Koopmeiners. His number of goals or assists are quite good and consistent in Atalanta and AZ Alkmaar before. It's not just in Atalanta. So he possibly can good under Motta system.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Based on what I've seen from Koopmeiners, which admittedly isn't much, I'd rate him as one of the best mids in Serie A. He would definitely be a reinforcement for us. And he seems capable of doing pretty much everything in the middle of the pitch. Fairly complete player, imo.

But, the numbers that are being mentioned are pretty steep. Difficult to say whether or not it would make sense financially.

 

[Scottish]

He's a cherry on top type of player. I don't think he's the engine of a good team but if you're already good, you want this guy because he finishes like a striker

All I know is it's painfully obvious that the engine player is what we're most missing. Is it to be Fagioli maybe?

 

[Kevster]

Locatelli potential = 86
Koopmeiners potential = 84

womp womp

I don't play career mode

I realized winning ucl with juve on fifa 7x in a row doesn't help mask the pain allegri delivered in the ucl

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

why does poop miner cost 20 million more than zirkzee according to giuntoli's valuation?

https://football-italia.net/zirkzee-milan-bologna-trigger-release-clause/

 

[s4tch]

why does poop miner cost 20 million more than zirkzee according to giuntoli's valuation?

https://football-italia.net/zirkzee-milan-bologna-trigger-release-clause/

zirkzee's agent is allegedly asking for a hefty sign on fee and the guy wants to earn more than koopmeiners. zirkzee is likely to end up with a much more expensive yearly fee

very different positions too

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

zirkzee's agent is allegedly asking for a hefty sign on fee and the guy wants to earn more than koopmeiners. zirkzee is likely to end up with a much more expensive yearly fee

very different positions too

different positions means koopmeiners should cost less. also, wasn't zirkzee supposed to play behind vlahovic where koopmeiners will play? if it was up to motta, he would have gone for zirkzee but giuntoli's inexplicable love for the guy make club go for him instead of zirkzee, even if that means paying an extra for a lesser player.

 

[s4tch]

...also, wasn't zirkzee supposed to play behind vlahovic...

according to who? some random journalist?

it's a fact that motta only played zirkzee as a 9. and unless vlahovic moves (which is unlikely), juventus won't spend big on a forward. zirkzee is an obvious talent, but i don't think he should be a priority when looking at our squad. we have a good and virtually unsellable player in his position already, and much more pressing issues at other positions like fullback, winger, cb and especially midfield

 

[Alex-444]

Juventus is preparing a new offer for Koopmeiners, who Atalanta values at around €60 million. Juventus is hoping to capitalize on the player's interest in joining the team. Further negotiations are expected soon.

 

[JuveJay]

why does poop miner cost 20 million more than zirkzee according to giuntoli's valuation?

https://football-italia.net/zirkzee-milan-bologna-trigger-release-clause/

So because Zirkzee has a release clause (which is nothing to do with Giuntoli), Atalanta (who are also nothing to do with Giuntoli) are not allowed to ask for more than Zirkzee's release clause for one of their players, despite this release clause ultimately being undervalued?

 

[s4tch]

btw that's more than zirkzee was able to score (11+1)

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

So because Zirkzee has a release clause (which is nothing to do with Giuntoli), Atalanta (who are also nothing to do with Giuntoli) are not allowed to ask for more than Zirkzee's release clause for one of their players, despite this release clause ultimately being undervalued?

in a market where zirkzee is available for 40m, capitulating to atalanta's absurd demands can only be explained by malicious intention.

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btw that's more than zirkzee was able to score (11+1)

pasalic scored 13 goals a couple of years ago. he was also able to score more than zirkzee. zidane scored very few goals, that bozo. an occasional goal scoring midfielder who tends to disappear from the games worth 60 million€?

 

[JuveJay]

in a market where zirkzee is available for 40m, capitulating to atalanta's absurd demands can only be explained by malicious intention.

Ok so you think we should sign Zirkzee instead, gotcha. I'm not sure he would play with Vlahovic anyway but maybe that's another story.

I suspect if we'd tried to pay 40m for Zirkzee you'd say we should pay 25m for someone else, but maybe that's me being cynical.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Really don't like the idea of losing Huijsen nor koops pricetag but we have to give Giuntoli a chance and pray both for his and our sake this works out.

By the way, why isn't koopmeiner playing today?

 

[Osman]

different positions means koopmeiners should cost less. also, wasn't zirkzee supposed to play behind vlahovic where koopmeiners will play? if it was up to motta, he would have gone for zirkzee but giuntoli's inexplicable love for the guy make club go for him instead of zirkzee, even if that means paying an extra for a lesser player.

Zirkzee is a CF, a nr 9, a tall physical one with technique, he is all around player so do different tasks. But not really different positions. He is a CF.


Vlahovic and Zirkzee would be really awkward fit. No one uses two striker formations anymore. And Zirkzee is Firmino type, he won't give you much goals.

Btw Koopmeiners is a DM, CM, AM type, grew into an AM but can play every mid role. When I seen him for Holland he plays the deep mid roles.


And as AM for Atalanta he outscored Zirkzee the CF for the past 2 seasons. That may explain the price difference.


And the fact Zirkzee has a big time crook agent who negotiated a low release clause for Bologna, after Zirkzee flopped in previous years in Bayern, Parma and Anderlecht. He didn't want Bologna pricing him out of next big move if he improved as player.



I get any point of being wary of Koopmeiners price even if he is a class player.



But signing a nr 9 CF to pair wiry Vlahovic is not a logical alternative.

 

[Xperd]

in a market where zirkzee is available for 40m, capitulating to atalanta's absurd demands can only be explained by malicious intention.

Do you think Giuntoli is stealing money from the club as well like Beppe?

Who in your opinion does not have malicious intentions and is fit to run the club?

I mean there have to be one or two 'clean' directors right..

 

[s4tch]

Do you think Giuntoli is stealing money from the club as well like Beppe?

Who in your opinion does not have malicious intentions and is fit to run the club?

I mean there have to be one or two 'clean' directors right..

giuntoli was hired by elkann. you should know that he's dirty by default

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Zirkzee is a CF, a nr 9, a tall physical one with technique, he is all around player so do different tasks. But not really different positions. He is a CF.


Vlahovic and Zirkzee would be really awkward fit. No one uses two striker formations anymore. And Zirkzee is Firmino type, he won't give you much goals.

Btw Koopmeiners is a DM, CM, AM type, grew into an AM but can play every mid role. When I seen him for Holland he plays the deep mid roles.


And as AM for Atalanta he outscored Zirkzee the CF for the past 2 seasons. That may explain the price difference.


And the fact Zirkzee has a big time crook agent who negotiated a low release clause for Bologna, after Zirkzee flopped in previous years in Bayern, Parma and Anderlecht. He didn't want Bologna pricing him out of next big move if he improved as player.



I get any point of being wary of Koopmeiners price even if he is a class player.



But signing a nr 9 CF to pair wiry Vlahovic is not a logical alternative.

Oh and most likely Spalletti at these Euros.