Tactics and Formations (14 Viewers)
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Does anyone else think our 4-2-3-1 resembles the 4-4-2 we played with Nedved (under Lippi), where Cammoranesi would drift wide right and Nedved would drift central and often play behind the strikers and we'd have a lopsided 4-3-1-2 with only 1 player constantly playing wide (Cammoranesi on the right) and Zambrotta would run the left flank when Nedved moved into the centre (like Sandro does now when Mandzu moves forward and Dybala sits in the hole just behind the strikers and Caudrado sits back a little)? I know when we don't have the ball Mandzu works like lion to get back and help out but when we're in position we always remind me of back then...
I must say that I am surprised that Allegri opted for the 4231. Nobody would have anticipated him using it especially while deploying Mandzukic on the left.
However, it is worth pointing out that this formation can only be used if Cuadrado is available as there is no natural substitute for him on the right. I also don't think Allegri would opt to have Dybala used in that position.
All of a sudden Cuadrado becomes an automatic starter assuming we persevere with this formation.
Also worth pointing out that it changes our transfer strategy somewhat if we persevere with it next season.
Currently we have 8 central mids if you include Mandragora (or Bentancur next season). 5 forwards with only 2 natural attacking wing players + Mandzukic. In this scenario, someone like Berrardi may actually find space.
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I must say that I am surprised that Allegri opted for the 4231. Nobody would have anticipated him using it especially while deploying Mandzukic on the left.
However, it is worth pointing out that this formation can only be used if Cuadrado is available as there is no natural substitute for him on the right. I also don't think Allegri would opt to have Dybala used in that position.
All of a sudden Cuadrado becomes an automatic starter assuming we persevere with this formation.
Also worth pointing out that it changes our transfer strategy somewhat if we persevere with it next season.
Currently we have 8 central mids if you include Mandragora (or Bentancur next season). 5 forwards with only 2 natural attacking wing players + Mandzukic. In this scenario, someone like Berrardi may actually find space.
However, it is worth pointing out that this formation can only be used if Cuadrado is available as there is no natural substitute for him on the right. I also don't think Allegri would opt to have Dybala used in that position.
All of a sudden Cuadrado becomes an automatic starter assuming we persevere with this formation.
Also worth pointing out that it changes our transfer strategy somewhat if we persevere with it next season.
Currently we have 8 central mids if you include Mandragora (or Bentancur next season). 5 forwards with only 2 natural attacking wing players + Mandzukic. In this scenario, someone like Berrardi may actually find space.
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I must say that I am surprised that Allegri opted for the 4231. Nobody would have anticipated him using it especially while deploying Mandzukic on the left.
However, it is worth pointing out that this formation can only be used if Cuadrado is available as there is no natural substitute for him on the right. I also don't think Allegri would opt to have Dybala used in that position.
All of a sudden Cuadrado becomes an automatic starter assuming we persevere with this formation.
Also worth pointing out that it changes our transfer strategy somewhat if we persevere with it next season.
Currently we have 8 central mids if you include Mandragora (or Bentancur next season). 5 forwards with only 2 natural attacking wing players + Mandzukic. In this scenario, someone like Berrardi may actually find space.
You remember post about the 4231 a couple of months ago which you replied with the 4231 diagram? We were part of the few in here who believed it could be the answer and now we see..otherwise never even heard 4231 even mentioned as alternative before Max using it. Eyval siamaki
Also if we stick to this formation AND fail to buy our coveted players, I have zero doubt that Bonnuci is capable of doing a better job than khedira at this stage of his career to cover in midfield, especially since he is familiar with the CBs movements and so is Marchisio..
Also if we stick to this formation AND fail to buy our coveted players, I have zero doubt that Bonnuci is capable of doing a better job than khedira at this stage of his career to cover in midfield, especially since he is familiar with the CBs movements and so is Marchisio..
results speak for themselves.
some of us, me included..were asking... no...begging...for a system change...and when allegri did it... things started to roll.
thats to demonstrate that some of us has certain ideas that could be applied too, and that allegri is not infallible.
but credit when its due... his 4231 is better than a lot of things we came up with.....still i said numerous times that dybala could play as treq, and a lot of peeps here mocked at me saying he was strictly a support tsriker..
now her we are.
some of us, me included..were asking... no...begging...for a system change...and when allegri did it... things started to roll.
thats to demonstrate that some of us has certain ideas that could be applied too, and that allegri is not infallible.
but credit when its due... his 4231 is better than a lot of things we came up with.....still i said numerous times that dybala could play as treq, and a lot of peeps here mocked at me saying he was strictly a support tsriker..
now her we are.
The biggest change this new formation has brought is that we look more solid defensively. There has been no more black moments where we are completely under pressure and look like conceding at any given moment. With three at the back if we lacked intensity it looked really tough for us, I feel this formation has helped us to manage games better even when not exerting all our energy.
With the old formation we needed the two box-to-box mids working really hard both defensively and offensively. Now that responsibility is on our wingers who are better suited for that job and Khedira/Pjanic/Marchisio can sit in front of the back four and rotate the play and keep the shape together.
With the old formation we needed the two box-to-box mids working really hard both defensively and offensively. Now that responsibility is on our wingers who are better suited for that job and Khedira/Pjanic/Marchisio can sit in front of the back four and rotate the play and keep the shape together.
Spot on.
For our 352 to work, we needed heavy sacrifice from our mids, and them would need also good technique to start plays and dictate games. Vidal and Pogba were capabale of this because they had the age, stamina and technique to pull it. But without them and with our ageing wingbacl Licht ...the problems surfaced quickly. Licht specially was not able to pull those kind of game he did in our first 2 seasons.
Now our DMs can focus on defend and our wingers can focus on attack like it should be. Obvs this is not as robust as i said..because it is a group effort.... but the responsability is shared by many... instead of being waiting for our 3 mids to make work the whole formation or die.
For our 352 to work, we needed heavy sacrifice from our mids, and them would need also good technique to start plays and dictate games. Vidal and Pogba were capabale of this because they had the age, stamina and technique to pull it. But without them and with our ageing wingbacl Licht ...the problems surfaced quickly. Licht specially was not able to pull those kind of game he did in our first 2 seasons.
Now our DMs can focus on defend and our wingers can focus on attack like it should be. Obvs this is not as robust as i said..because it is a group effort.... but the responsability is shared by many... instead of being waiting for our 3 mids to make work the whole formation or die.