Tactics and Formations (51 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

3-5-2 is proven to not work well in Europe. It's not even debatable at this point. Other sides don't use it, our results were not as good, and even in Serie A we struggle to score.

Any formation that forces your worst playmakers (i.e. center backs) to have a lot of the ball up the pitch is a joke of a formation.

 

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[Zacheryah]

3-5-2 is proven to not work well in Europe. It's not even debatable at this point. Other sides don't use it, our results were not as good, and even in Serie A we struggle to score.

Any formation that forces your worst playmakers (i.e. center backs) to have a lot of the ball up the pitch is a joke of a formation.

That same serie a season we got 102 points and scored 80 goals ?
Wich is 8 goals more then the previous season ?


We'll use that 3-5-2 in europe when we play lesser teams, and we'll play 4312 counter when we dont.

 

[Trequartista]

3-5-2 worked so well against Olympiakos, Nordsjaelland, Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

 

[Zacheryah]

3-5-2 worked so well against Olympiakos, Nordsjaelland, Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

Because Lichtsteiner and Asamoah on the wing provide the same offensive contribution as Alex Sandro and Cuadrado ?

 

[Trequartista]

Because Lichtsteiner and Asamoah on the wing provide the same offensive contribution as Alex Sandro and Cuadrado ?

Alex Sandro is solid offensively but he's no Roberto Carlos.

That's not the problem of the 3-5-2. The 3-5-2's problem is having our CBs get too much of the ball and having too big of a space betwen our midfield and our strikers.

You're not going to get creativity with Chiellini playmaking. Also, what made the 3-5-2 work in Serie A was Pirlo. Marchisio is doing a great job as a DM but he doesn't have Pirlo's vision to make the 3-5-2 work.

 

[Zacheryah]

Actually, those are bad examples and the truth is much better.


About centrebacks
Barzagli and Chiellini are just collecting the ball, and playing it shortly to Bonucci, a midfielder or a wingback. short simple passes. Chiellini sometimes storms forward if the opponents are sitting very deep, i dont mind.
Bonucci does a limited amount of "playmaking". Wich is usually reaching the wingbacks in a deeper position, playing over the opponents forwards and advanced midfielders.
Last year, we had Pirlo doing that. Bonucci doesnt do it that good, but he's no defensive liability

Midfield
...Is most of the issue. We lack general skill in the midfield with them injuries, so we find it hard to pass trough. And this makes Pogba stay deeper, so you get the gap. When Marchisio or Khedira returns, this problem will fix itself. Especially with marchisio we'll be having plenty of long passing range so we arent relying on Bonucci to do those tricky balls to the wingbacks

Wingbacks
Sandro has a significant forward going threat, and barely needs help in defending his side. He'll be making a whole lot of runs, and has the ability to do unexpected things, wich would catch the opponent surprised.
Cuadrado on the other side will need some help from the rcm or rcb, but well, i dont need to explain the big offensive threat he poses.

Both are amongst the best forward going wingbacks about.

 

[Post Ironic]

Cuadrado isn't a wingback. Hardly played as a wingback in the Viola when he was at his best.

 

[Zacheryah]

He played alot of times as a wingback. Slightly more as a winger.

While people are trying to botch us in a 433, its much easyer to get a 352 with cuadrado and some tactical instructions for the rcm and rcb.

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I remember when we were doing the 3-5-2 Under conte with asamoah. Oh how many times you'd see how it was to defensive and we should use cuadrado


Now suddenly, defence very important, must play cuadrado as winger in 433

 

[Bjerknes]

You're not going to get creativity with Chiellini playmaking. Also, what made the 3-5-2 work in Serie A was Pirlo. Marchisio is doing a great job as a DM but he doesn't have Pirlo's vision to make the 3-5-2 work.

Exactly, spot on.

 

[Zacheryah]

Alex Sandro is solid offensively but he's no Roberto Carlos.

That's not the problem of the 3-5-2. The 3-5-2's problem is having our CBs get too much of the ball and having too big of a space betwen our midfield and our strikers.

You're not going to get creativity with Chiellini playmaking. Also, what made the 3-5-2 work in Serie A was Pirlo. Marchisio is doing a great job as a DM but he doesn't have Pirlo's vision to make the 3-5-2 work.

Marchisio in the games when he was cdm was adored by the entire forum cause of how fluent and mobile we were, while he played several breathtaking balls over the defence. A few exceptional goals came off those. Pirlo ? Pirlo worked in a 4-3-3 with movement from wingers. He was quite alot worse in the 3-5-2. Pirlo slowed down the pace at wich the team moved forward, ALOT, while having few long trough ball options as the wingbacks start from deeper compared to wingers.
The only thing good about pirlo last year, were his freekicks, and that was it. Marchisio was easely superior in everything else.

 

[Trequartista]

Marchisio in the games when he was cdm was adored by the entire forum cause of how fluent and mobile we were, while he played several breathtaking balls over the defence. A few exceptional goals came off those. Pirlo ? Pirlo worked in a 4-3-3 with movement from wingers. He was quite alot worse in the 3-5-2. Pirlo slowed down the pace at wich the team moved forward, ALOT, while having few long trough ball options as the wingbacks start from deeper compared to wingers.
The only thing good about pirlo last year, were his freekicks, and that was it. Marchisio was easely superior in everything else.

I'm not talking of last season's Pirlo you peasant.

Your head is so deep in your own ass it's not even funny.

 

[Zacheryah]

And please "chiellini playmaking", please stop making such a big fool out of yourselves. Chiellini is not playmaking. He collects the ball, and gives short simple passes to bonucci or a midfielder, and once per games makes a forward run. Thats it.

Insane playmaking bro 10/10


Bonucci does a bit of it currently while Marchisio and Khedira are out.





Seriously, two years of bitching like a menstruating femnazi about how 3-5-2 is "not getting the best out of pirlo", "while 4-3-3 is", and now suddenly "pirlo made the 3-5-2 work"




these people and their silly idea they know a shit about tactics




Cmon trequartista. I expect this crap from the amurican, but not you.

 

[Osman]

So many of you wasting time on Zach's latest spam worthy obsession. He will repeat the same thing he has for a week just to appear clever / knowledgeable. If you think you can get through him even a split second you are naive. Been Cronios - lite past week with the 3-5-2, like the borg, resistance is futile.

 

[Zacheryah]

I'm not talking of last season's Pirlo you peasant.

Your head is so deep in your own ass it's not even funny.

Second season under conte, ALOT of people including yourself, were moaning about how 3-5-2 is a static formation, and Pirlo was alot less cause he had no players that made runs behind the defence to play to, except a few lichtsteiners.

Oh HOW many times we heard that. 3-5-2 was evil, devilspawn ! Boring ! Not good for Pirlo !



But now that it suits the cause, suddenly 3-5-2 was excellent for pirlo, so you can say its not good anymore


Damn these kids

 

[Trequartista]

So many of you wasting time on Zach's latest spam worthy obsession. He will repeat the same thing he has for a week just to appear clever / knowledgeable. If you think you can get through him even a split second you are naive. Been Cronios - lite past week with the 3-5-2, like the borg, resistance is futile.

Agreed.

 

[Zacheryah]

So many of you wasting time on Zach's latest spam worthy obsession. He will repeat the same thing he has for a week just to appear clever / knowledgeable. If you think you can get through him even a split second you are naive. Been Cronios - lite past week with the 3-5-2, like the borg, resistance is futile.

I've yet to see a solid argument presented against it.


On the other hand. When everyone except khedira/asamoah ready, Allegri benched Pereyra to play 3-5-2. We could have literally benched one of the cb's and played pereyra in the 4312.

But Allegri didnt, and we won the supercoppa.



But hey, "we play 3-5-2 because of injuries". ROFLMAO. We are playing it cause we dont have a CAM that can hold the freaking ball.

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Agreed.

Its offcourse much, much better, to stop responding to my posts when you run out of arguments.
Its much better, to team up with the other poster, who has equally few arguments , and mock about.


good job

nearly took you for serious

 

[Trequartista]

Rather I don't want to waste more time talking to a wall

 

[Zacheryah]

If we dont get an am and play 3-5-2 most of the year.

Will you survive it

 

[Post Ironic]

Zach, your weewee is going to shrink to well-nigh invisible status when you see us playing 4 at the back as our main formation this season. Emasculation shall occur, testosterone production will scale back and your balls will reduce to the size of raisins, estrogen production shall run rampant, and your emotions and boobs grow out of control. You'll become a peasant wench...

All this because you clung desperately to the outdated notion of a 3-5-2.

 

[Trequartista]

Zach, your weewee is going to shrink to well-nigh invisible status when you see us playing 4 at the back as our main formation this season. Emasculation shall occur, testosterone production will scale back and your balls will reduce to the size of raisins, estrogen production shall run rampant, and your emotions and boobs grow out of control. You'll become a peasant wench...

All this because you clung desperately to the outdated notion of a 3-5-2.