Tactics and Formations (25 Viewers)
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Juve changed from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 for the games against Real Madrid?
As things stand, I'm inclined to believe that Conte, after the Bayern games, has accepted the difficulties of playing the 3-5-2 against a strong team with good wingers and has adjusted things appropriately.
As things stand, I'm inclined to believe that Conte, after the Bayern games, has accepted the difficulties of playing the 3-5-2 against a strong team with good wingers and has adjusted things appropriately.
Ye u have a point, keep in mind that formation is against inferior teams 95% of the time. You seen what happened against Bayern and Conte knew if he did a 5-3-2 against Madrid we would have no chance of getting a result. Our backs would have been against the wall the whole time with the team dropping deep and trying to soak up the pressure. U seen the performance last night we created very very little. That extra defender is just not needed, it doesn't help u win the game at all because u give yourself a handicap going forward. I still think he should play 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 since we dont have the wide players to play a 4-3-3 now.
I have said it before i never liked the Tevez signing. He's a really good player but with Tevez u are forced to play 2 strikers. We lack width so much and he just was not needed imo as we have a few SS already. A centre forward to compete with Llorente would have been much better, A winger would have been even better than that. How will Conte play a 4-3-3 with Tevez in the team other than putting him out wide which is not really what we need. A player like Ljaicic who can play out wide or Striker would have been a better signing imo.
I have said it before i never liked the Tevez signing. He's a really good player but with Tevez u are forced to play 2 strikers. We lack width so much and he just was not needed imo as we have a few SS already. A centre forward to compete with Llorente would have been much better, A winger would have been even better than that. How will Conte play a 4-3-3 with Tevez in the team other than putting him out wide which is not really what we need. A player like Ljaicic who can play out wide or Striker would have been a better signing imo.
Yeah the fact that Tevez seemingly demands to play centrally is a problem. The only way we should go about it is playing a 4-2-3-1 and dropping one of our world class midfielders (Not gonna happen) or dropping Llorente and playing a 4-3-3
Problem is, Llorente offers us something that Tevez obviously can not. Llorentes size and playing style makes him ideal as a lone striker. Tevez... not so much.
Problem is, Llorente offers us something that Tevez obviously can not. Llorentes size and playing style makes him ideal as a lone striker. Tevez... not so much.
Realism points to the fact that soon pirlo will reture, and we have several high class cm's, and no worthy offensive wingers.
with a playmaker in front of them, we could totally field pogba, marchisio and vidal behind that, giving a very aggressive yet impossible to break down midfield, coupled with out excellent fullback options as was shown against ronaldo and bale, possibly the best wingers of the moment. They had nothing.
going 4312 keeps this thing going. We showed that asamoah or ogbonna or chiellini could perfectly play the leftback, whilst lichtsteiner and now recently caceres had monstreous games on the right back.
Marchisio mending the solid shape of the formation, with vidal and pogba beeing aggressive and pressive makes a truely impossible to break down midfield
Whilst tevez and llorente have shown many good things when paired up front.
How many players are lacking here ?
1, central attacking midfielder with high intelligence, good technique and good in combinations.
One player, really.
Face it. this is far better and realistic then these "allright guyse, lets buy 2 world class wingers we cant afford, and attacking yet defensively solid fullbacks that dont exist, and pretent tevez is eighter a midfielder (hell no) or a winger (seriously, no)
Its amusing some put questionable mediocre crap like menez in their formation just to get their formation done. Doesnt work like that, you build the formation around the players, not otherwise (unless you are coach at psg or city, and even then the oilsheijk only gives you creative strikers really)
with a playmaker in front of them, we could totally field pogba, marchisio and vidal behind that, giving a very aggressive yet impossible to break down midfield, coupled with out excellent fullback options as was shown against ronaldo and bale, possibly the best wingers of the moment. They had nothing.
going 4312 keeps this thing going. We showed that asamoah or ogbonna or chiellini could perfectly play the leftback, whilst lichtsteiner and now recently caceres had monstreous games on the right back.
Marchisio mending the solid shape of the formation, with vidal and pogba beeing aggressive and pressive makes a truely impossible to break down midfield
Whilst tevez and llorente have shown many good things when paired up front.
How many players are lacking here ?
1, central attacking midfielder with high intelligence, good technique and good in combinations.
One player, really.
Face it. this is far better and realistic then these "allright guyse, lets buy 2 world class wingers we cant afford, and attacking yet defensively solid fullbacks that dont exist, and pretent tevez is eighter a midfielder (hell no) or a winger (seriously, no)
Its amusing some put questionable mediocre crap like menez in their formation just to get their formation done. Doesnt work like that, you build the formation around the players, not otherwise (unless you are coach at psg or city, and even then the oilsheijk only gives you creative strikers really)
You dont understand the point of live.
Barcelona is a team with gigantic creativity. Their attack originates from the center of the field combining, wilst the wings are mainly used to stretch the play, but not really creating danger. They want fast, players there, and thats it. Pedro, Iniesta(waste to play him there tho) and sanchez are excellent for that.
Why would they need wings ? to cross it to messi.
Nope, they stretch the play, creating channels for the cm's to move in, attempting trough balls to the forward(s)
Their creatvity is abundand, and their defence basically is the pressing game.
Juventus on the other hand, has much less creativity. The creativity it has, need to be of high class. Vidal, Marchisio, Pogba, our flanks, thats not really creativity. They can make personal actions, but not really create openings.
Tevez and Pirlo however, can. They draw players onto them, and attempt to crack a defence, allowing space for others or assisting/key passing in that space for a goal.
If we take away pirlo, our team is nearly deprived of its creativity. Basically there is tevez, and pogba lobbed passes. That is not enough.
IF you add wingers and remove pirlo, the wingers need to compensate for pirlo. That requires world class wingers quite simply, as the entire team compensates for them beeing there. It would mean tevez doesnt play, and pirlo+vidal are forced to stay deeper holding the midfield
4-3-1-2 allows vidal and pogba to press aggressively and make forward runs, pressuring the holding midfielders and central defence, whilst a central attacking playmaker and tevez create.
Because marchisio's better holding skills, pogba and vidal can attack far more frequently and fanatically. Because of the tevez+cam in front, pogba could swerve to the side where is space and send high balls to llorente
Good luck comming with a better formation then a 4-3-1-2 with Mata
Barcelona is a team with gigantic creativity. Their attack originates from the center of the field combining, wilst the wings are mainly used to stretch the play, but not really creating danger. They want fast, players there, and thats it. Pedro, Iniesta(waste to play him there tho) and sanchez are excellent for that.
Why would they need wings ? to cross it to messi.
Nope, they stretch the play, creating channels for the cm's to move in, attempting trough balls to the forward(s)
Their creatvity is abundand, and their defence basically is the pressing game.
Juventus on the other hand, has much less creativity. The creativity it has, need to be of high class. Vidal, Marchisio, Pogba, our flanks, thats not really creativity. They can make personal actions, but not really create openings.
Tevez and Pirlo however, can. They draw players onto them, and attempt to crack a defence, allowing space for others or assisting/key passing in that space for a goal.
If we take away pirlo, our team is nearly deprived of its creativity. Basically there is tevez, and pogba lobbed passes. That is not enough.
IF you add wingers and remove pirlo, the wingers need to compensate for pirlo. That requires world class wingers quite simply, as the entire team compensates for them beeing there. It would mean tevez doesnt play, and pirlo+vidal are forced to stay deeper holding the midfield
4-3-1-2 allows vidal and pogba to press aggressively and make forward runs, pressuring the holding midfielders and central defence, whilst a central attacking playmaker and tevez create.
Because marchisio's better holding skills, pogba and vidal can attack far more frequently and fanatically. Because of the tevez+cam in front, pogba could swerve to the side where is space and send high balls to llorente
Good luck comming with a better formation then a 4-3-1-2 with Mata
for after the winter marceto- 4-3-3:
-------------buffon---------------
licht----barzagli--chiellini--asamoah
--------------pirlo-----------------
--------vidal-------pogba---------
menez-----------------------nani
-------------tevez--------------
4-2-3-1 (hopefully next season):
-------------buffon---------------
licht----barzagli--chiellini--asamoah/new lb
--------pogba-----vidal-----------
menez--------mata/tevez------------nani
-------------tevez/llorente-----------------
and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so.
-------------buffon---------------
licht----barzagli--chiellini--asamoah
--------------pirlo-----------------
--------vidal-------pogba---------
menez-----------------------nani
-------------tevez--------------
4-2-3-1 (hopefully next season):
-------------buffon---------------
licht----barzagli--chiellini--asamoah/new lb
--------pogba-----vidal-----------
menez--------mata/tevez------------nani
-------------tevez/llorente-----------------
and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so.
4-3-1-2 for the games against Gala and Roma.
Pogba, Vidal, and Marchisio is a very physical midfield, with a lot of energy and running. High tempo, pressing, retrieving the ball with quick, crisp and short passes. Vucinic as the 1 behind Tevez and Llorente. Chiellini can be deployed as a LB just for those 2 games. I believe it can work, especially if those 2 teams come out and try to attack us.
Pogba, Vidal, and Marchisio is a very physical midfield, with a lot of energy and running. High tempo, pressing, retrieving the ball with quick, crisp and short passes. Vucinic as the 1 behind Tevez and Llorente. Chiellini can be deployed as a LB just for those 2 games. I believe it can work, especially if those 2 teams come out and try to attack us.
I have to agree with this. From the time being, the 4312 is the formation that we can adapt easier... for the fact that we can field asamoah on one side and caceres/licht on the other. Then use our Pogba-Vidal-Marchisio midfield which will provide nice cover for our 3 attackers which have to be Vucinic llorente and Tevez.
The question would be wich player is more apt to play the "1" in that formation. IMO naturally it has to be Tevez, since he is more hardowrker than Vucinic, not to mention he knows how to tackle and bully defenders and midfielders. the forward line should be commanded by Llorente and Vucinic, supported by tevez.
The question would be wich player is more apt to play the "1" in that formation. IMO naturally it has to be Tevez, since he is more hardowrker than Vucinic, not to mention he knows how to tackle and bully defenders and midfielders. the forward line should be commanded by Llorente and Vucinic, supported by tevez.
