Tactics and Formations (32 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

The problem of juventus was that we were pirlo dependant. We needed pirlo to connect the forwards, cause they lacked the capability to receive and keep the ball. vucinic was relatively good at it, but the rest was plain bad.
Now the real issue is offcourse, when the opposing team had a good enough tactical pressure on pirlo at all times, we got big problems.
On top of that, none of the forwards, are good with the ball under pressure, not even vucinic.

With tevez and llorente, this changes dramatically. Both players are excellent with the ball at their feet, and especially tevez has no problem with pressure, whilst llorente is excellent as a targetman, and in the combination. On top of that we got SO MUCH efficient pressing, and 2 players that are a SERIOUS weight on any defence. tevez with his running, llorente with his physical and aerial ability.

And thats the actual issue. Pirlo under pressure wasent the real problem, its the weak strikers that made him look bad, cause the frontline lost the ball, so very fast.
Just look the bayern games. You'll see that both forwards nearly instandly lose the ball. Now imagine if they could keep it, and you could pretty much hoof everything at them, and it will allways be dangerous. Suddenly those pirlo long passes will be better, and we'll have the pace to exploit an opponent pressing to much.

This, will be really great, i cannot wait for the pre season to start

 

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[Red]

And you don't even need it to be Pirlo that is playing the ball forward.

If a Juve defender has the ball and the opposition steps forward in anticipation of the ball being played to Pirlo, the option should just be there to clip the ball over the press and have Llorente or Tevez take the ball in and set up the play.

Do that a couple of times and teams will have to start to consider whether they want to allow that or if they want to ease off from pressuring Pirlo a bit to prevent the ball being played directly to the forwards, so there may be times where Pirlo gets more time and space because of Juve having more things for the opponents to be concerned about than there were last season.

 

[Zacheryah]

Yes, exactly the point !

And in this matter, teveza and llorente complement each other so perfectly. One will be the perfect target man, able of keeping the ball at his feel as wel.
The other a running menance, that will pressure whoever decides to controll it.
Add to that that we now got strikers that can actually combine very good, and the skill of tevez when he got the ball, or the finishing llorente offers.

opponents will have to decide to eighter pressure pirlo, but be stretched, giving less players to put a fight to our forwards and more room for vidal/marchisio to run into
or dont press pirlo, but risk getting domminated by precise passing, and high crosses to llorente directly, or to tevez in space

 

[napoleonic]

still don't make up for the lack of men on flanks, good european teams will exploit it.

 

[Zacheryah]

Thats funny, exploit how ?

We usually are totally domminating the flanks, because we got a dedicated wingback that is backed up by the centreback on his side, and the central midfielder on his side.

 

[napoleonic]

Thats funny, exploit how ?

We usually are totally domminating the flanks, because we got a dedicated wingback that is backed up by the centreback on his side, and the central midfielder on his side.

er what, how can you not able to see it already, as you said our centrebacks need to cover wingbacks, that is already a sign of flank deficiency

many of you put emoticon when someone put chiellini as LB in 4-3-3, and yet you suggest he to play hybrid LCB-LB? and barzagli too, he is even less of an RB than chiellini an LB!

to me that is already a sign of flanks deficiency, don't be fooled by things we saw in italy, italian football is an anomaly nowdays.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

our flanks are fine, the wing backs attack and defend against very strong sides they might sit deeper in a 5-3-2 but will still go forward and attack

 

[napoleonic]

our flanks are fine, the wing backs attack and defend against very strong sides they might sit deeper in a 5-3-2 but will still go forward and attack

against strong sides with strong flanks our flanks supressed and caged or they lure our flanks to attack, neutralize with their own defensive flanks while counterattack with their own attacking flanks while we have no more spare men on flanks.

when our middle men be it midfielder or centerback need to cover flanks, ugly things bound to happen.

moreover, our cm at times were too further high on the pitch so it was hard for them to cover flanks

no matter how I always think that single man flank tactic just cannot cope with today football outside italy

just obsolete and I think only flourished in italy due to their obsession with defending and catenaccio instead of modern free flowing attacking minded football, Italian think that defenders are shit today so they need 3 men for that, all while forgetting that there are other ways to win in football.

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the very fact that our 3-5-2 bound to become 5-3-2, a formation that is associated with defensive is yet another proof of the deficiency of single man/flanks tactic

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unless we have someone like beckenbauer as CB/SW, someone skilled enough to carry attack from his own GK area up unto scoring goals by himself all while solid as a defender

 

[Bianconero81]

I think people are ignoring the fact that we were missing arguably our two hardest working players in that 2'nd leg against Bayern, Vidal and Licht.

Hopefully, with Asamoah developing even further in his role, stronger depth, and the ability to rest Pirlo more frequently, we will put up a much better fight against Bayern this time around (should we meet them).

We are still behind the likes of Bayern, Barca, and Madrid in terms of overall strength and depth (possibly PSG and Chelsea as well).

 

[Mr Chocolate]

that

and the fact that tevez and Llorente can both hold up the ball which would allow our wing backs and midfielders to make runs upfield which was something we couldent do against Bayern

 

[ZizouPavel]

I think people are ignoring the fact that we were missing arguably our two hardest working players in that 2'nd leg against Bayern, Vidal and Licht.

Hopefully, with Asamoah developing even further in his role, stronger depth, and the ability to rest Pirlo more frequently, we will put up a much better fight against Bayern this time around (should we meet them).

We are still behind the likes of Bayern, Barca, and Madrid in terms of overall strength and depth (possibly PSG and Chelsea as well).

Too early to say, but I think now we can go toe to toe with any other team. Bayern is still a step above the rest, and Barca has Messi, but apart from that I think this team can beat anyone.

But I think Bayern won the tie in the first match, even with Licht and Vidal we wouldn't have beaten them 2-0 at home.

 

[napoleonic]

on paper I believe we are top 5 in europe, however when it come into the implementation of that on paper strength and quality, I'm not confident with the way our team set up with 3-5-2. against teams outside italian league

 

[adRHCP]

Which formation would you suggest, Mr. Napolepnic?

 

[Amer]

Hope we try something like this next season:

------------ Buffon ---------------

Licht - Barzagli - Ogbonna - Chiellini

------------- Pirlo ----------------
------- Vidal ------- Pogba -------

-- Tevez -------------- Vucinic ---

----------- Llorente ---------------

 

[ZoSo]

Which formation would you suggest, Mr. Napolepnic?

I just read your sig

the last one

 

[Roman]

Hope we try something like this next season:

------------ Buffon/Buffon ---------------

Licht/Caceres - Barzagli/Bonucci - Chiellini/Ogbonna- Kolarov/Peluso

------------- Pirlo/Pogba ----------------
--- Vidal/Padoin------- Marchisio/Asa-------

-- Tevez/Pepe -------------- Vucinic/Gio ---

---------------Llorente/Matri ---------------

Here.

Although i doubt we'll play with 4 man defence.

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I think with the talks of 3-3-4 we'll see the 3 man defence,so probably it'll be 3-5-2/3-4-3

3-5-2:

Buffon
(Storari)
Barza-Bonucci-Chiellini
(Caceres-Ogbonna-Peluso)
Licht-Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio-Asamoah
(Pepe-Padoin-Pogba-Asa-Kolarov*)
Tevez-Llorente
(Mirko,Gio-Matri)



3-4-3:

Buffon
(Storari)
Barza-Bonucci-Chiellini
(Caceres-Ogbonna-Peluso)
Licht-Vidal-Marchisio-Asamoah
(Padoin-Pogba-Pirlo-Kolarov*)
Tevez-Llorente-Vucinic
(Pepe-Matri-Gio)​

 

[adRHCP]

I just read your sig

the last one

The last one is my favorite too

 

[ZizouPavel]

------------Buffon-----------
--Barzagli--Bonucci--Chiellini--
-Licht--Vidal--Pirlo--Marchisio-
-------Tevez---Llorente-----

I would play with those ten and depending on the match the other player would be Vucinic, Assamoah or Pogba.

 

[David01]

I wouldn't start any game with 10

 

[ZoSo]

I wouldn't start any game with 10

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