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Retired Gen. Çevik Bir jailed in postmodern coup case

16 April 2012 / TODAY'S ZAMAN , İSTANBUL
Nine more suspects who testified to prosecutors on Sunday as part of a probe of the Feb. 28, 1997 postmodern coup, including retired Gen. Çevik Bir, were arrested early on Monday. Bir and the eight other suspects who were sent to jail are among 31 suspects for whom detention warrants were issued on Thursday as part of the probe of the 1997 military intervention, which eventually forced the government to resign in what is widely referred to as a postmodern coup.
The nine suspects were among 12 others who testified to prosecutors at the Ankara Specially Authorized Prosecutor's Office, which is overseeing the investigation, on Sunday and were referred to a court for arrest. The Ankara 11th High Criminal Court ruled in favor of arresting nine of them. The nine suspects were sent to Sincan Prison, while the court has imposed a travel ban on the three others who were released.

With Monday's arrests, the number of suspects arrested as part of the 1997 coup probe now stands at 18. Nine suspects who appeared before a judge after testifying to prosecutors were sent to jail pending trial early on Sunday morning, while seven others were released. Retired Rear Adm. Abdullah Kılıçarslan was among those arrested. The nine suspects had to respond to questions from prosecutors about six plots devised during the coup period in their interrogation on Saturday. The prosecution says the suspects also held meetings with US and Israeli officials seeking “support” for the military intervention, which is usually known as a post-modern coup and was carried out without the use of arms.

It began on Feb. 2, 1997, and unfolded as a process that resulted in the resignation of the Refah-Yol -- a combination of the names of the Welfare Party (RP) and the True Path Party (DYP) -- coalition government in June of the same year.

According to the prosecutor's claims, the suspects, who include retired Gen. Çevik Bir, who was the deputy chief of General Staff at the time, met with US and Israeli officials. According to the prosecution's allegations, Republican People's Party (CHP) deputy Onur Öymen also participated in at least one such meeting.

The Western Study Group (BÇG), the group the organizers of the coup formed at the time, produced six wet-signature documents that have the form of action plans. The BÇG was founded to fight “reactionaryism” in Turkey. The BÇG also planned to conduct efforts to overthrow the Islamist regime in Iran.

The Ankara Specially Authorized Prosecutor's Office is conducting the investigation. In addition to the questions on meetings with US and Israeli officials, the suspects were asked to specify their position and duty between the years 1996 and 1998, whether any of them worked together with retired officers Bir, Çetin Doğan, Kenan Deniz, Fevzi Türkeri, Erol Özkasnak and İdris Koralp and the full content of their knowledge about the BÇG and its activities.

They also had to respond to questions on whether the trials of religious mayors of the time -- such as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Şükrü Karatepe, Bekir Yıldız and Ali Nabi Koçak -- were the result of a psychological operation to convince the public that Turkey is faced with a religious threat.

Meanwhile, Onur Öymen responded to the reports about his participation in a meeting between BÇG generals and foreign officials. He said he had had talks with US and Israeli officials at the time, but none of his contacts included seeking help to overthrow the government. He said he was the undersecretary of the Foreign Affairs Ministry between 1995 and 1997, noting there was nothing unusual about him having meetings with foreign officials.

Meanwhile, the General Staff made a statement on Monday, stating that it had submitted all the documents regarding the investigation requested by the prosecution. The statement also denied news reports that appeared in the press over the weekend that Bir had requested that someone from the General Staff meet him at the Ankara airport, prior to his being flown to the capital to testify to prosecutors. Turkish newspapers had claimed that Bir requested a military official to meet him at the airport, but that the General Staff had denied him this request.

Co-plaintiff requests
Meanwhile, many individuals and groups continued to file for co-plaintiff status in the case. The Aczimendi community -- whose leader Müslüm Gündüz made headlines during the Feb. 28 period for his involvement in a sex scandal with a seemingly religious-minded woman -- believes that they were victimized and used as a scapegoat to create fear of rising Islamism. A group of Aczimendi was in Ankara on Monday where they wanted to walk to the Ankara Courthouse to file a criminal complaint against the suspects. Gündüz, who spoke for the group, said they were the worst hit victims by the coup, saying some Aczimendi were imprisoned during the period. The group was stopped by the police from marching. Gündüz said he and his disciples were ready to drive to the courthouse and had no intention of causing trouble. The Ankara Chief Prosecutor's Office didn't give the Aczimendi permission to make a press statement in front of the courthouse.

A group of 150 military officers who were forced to retire during the coup also announced that they will file for co-plaintiff status in the case once the indictment is ready. The officers, who are members of the Forced Retirees Association, say their petitions are ready to be submitted once the indictment is complete. Servet Kahramener, head of the association, said hundreds of officers, field officers, NCOs and senior privates were dismissed from the military without any legal basis or severance benefits just because of their religiously inclined lifestyle. Others, whom the BÇG believed would not be useful for their cause, were forced to retire, he said. The possibility of trial for the architects of Feb. 28 is a “victory for democracy,” he said.

Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç told reporters on Monday following a Cabinet meeting that the government needs time to assess the probe in some detail before allowing state ministers to apply for co-plaintiff status on an individual basis as well as the government as an institution. He added the Cabinet hadn't discussed the postmodern coup investigation.

Dangerous short-order cook
The BÇG generals did not just keep tabs on individuals who might be too religious for their liking, but also on businesses. One such organization was the Şiribom Kebab Restaurant, which the military at the time listed as a “potentially harmful” eatery. Ömer Şimşek, the owner, said he was very pleased about the recent developments. “I said yes to the constitutional package of 2010 to make sure that those who have staged coups answer to the law. I voted for the elimination of those who blacklisted us although we have no guilt. I am very happy to see that military tutelage has been lifted, and the people who have that mentality are answering to the law. God bless those who made it possible for us to see this.”

Şimşek's restaurant Şiribom Kebap, located on İzmir's Mithatpaşa Street, was listed as a potentially harmful facility and placed on a list of businesses deemed “detrimental to the country” and therefore not advised for shoppers. Şimşek, who coincidentally found out that his restaurant was listed on an army blacklist published in a newspaper, remembers being shocked. “I tried to explain that I had nothing to do with politics,” he remembers. However, things didn't go as bad as he feared, and his customers showed utmost support. Many others came to the restaurant to support his business, after its name appeared in newspapers. Today, Şiribom Kebap is a restaurant chain of three eateries.

Fermani Altun, head of the World Ehl-I Beyt Foundation also wants to be granted co-plaintiff status in the case. Altun, who released a written statement on Monday, said his foundation was pressured and faced attempts to shut it down during the Feb. 28 period. “We will file criminal complaints against about 15 of the defendants. These individuals include the İstanbul governor of the time, Erol Çakır, and the torture instrument of the time, Adil Serdar Saçan [former head of the İstanbul police force's anti-smuggling and organized crime department, who is currently a suspect in the trial of Ergenekon, an illegal gang suspected of plotting a coup.]”
 

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The 52nd anniversary of May 27
May 27, 1960, represents the beginning of the history of coups in Turkey. The Zaman daily has done a great job marking this year’s 52nd anniversary of the 1960 coup.

The daily has begun publishing the personal diaries and memoirs of Gen. Rüştü Erdelhun, who was serving as chief of staff at the time the coup was staged. These notes bear historic witnesses to the dark side of the coup.

Erdelhun was one of the last intellectual military servicemen. He spoke seven languages. He had a brilliant military career, fighting as an officer in the War of Liberation, serving in crucial positions in the Korean War and assuming key posts in NATO, thanks to his competence in English. He was an experienced, knowledgeable and democratic military serviceman.

On May 27, 1960, his door was broken down and he was arrested in his home. In notes published by Zaman Daily the insults and torture to which he was subjected are described in detail. The documents also reveal, importantly, that the officers who staged the coup first offered him a leadership role. Erdelhun made a choice between serving jail time and serving as head of state. He picked the former; he did so because he was committed to democracy. As an intellectual aware of the evils associated with the involvement of the military in politics, Erdelhun explained why he could never approve of a military coup.

Erdelhun’s notes shed light on the most crucial element of the coup: the reaction of the army. The events of May 27 was to prefigure the advent of military rule in other parts of the world, including Egypt and Greece. In the 1960 coup, 37 military officers of different rankings formed a junta within the army and seized power. Their first target was the military hierarchy. The chief of staff was placed under arrest and subjected to humiliation and torture. The majority of the army was opposed to a coup, and for this reason pro-junta elements worked to expand their sphere of influence within the army. As a result of this, 3,000 military servicemen were forced to retire. The military faced a great challenge.

Erdelhun’s notes and memoirs show that this coup was staged by a small group within the army rather than the military as a whole. It was because this small group claimed to have the support of the army that the coup was attributed to the general staff, despite the fact that high-ranking officers and the institutional hierarchy were opposed to the coup.

While the May 27 coup was the work of a small junta, it gained social support due to the backing of the People’s Republican Party, the political opposition. The Republican People’s Party’s (CHP) cooperation with the junta led to the erosion of the party’s image. The coup organizers were a small group, willing to accept the support of the ruling Democratic Party’s opponents in order to remain in power. They subsequently put in place a military guardianship order, with the support of Jacobin elites. This order remained intact until the referendum held on Sept. 12, 2010. The constitutional amendments adopted on this date ended the military guardianship order, clearing the way for the prosecution of the coup planners.

Erdelhun’s records now shed light on the unknown details of past events, following the military guardianship regime. The diaries tell the story of a dignified man, loyal to democracy and the rule of law, the story of his struggle and of universal values. His records identify the first victims of the military coup: honest military servicemen. Coups are not just perpetrated by the military; coups are also perpetrated against the military.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-281552-the-52nd-anniversary-of-may-27.html
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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The way the Republican party is supporting the criminal Syrian regime does prove how disgusting and pathetic they are and have always been.

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Forza Kurdistan :shifty: and Forza Ataturk (aside from the oppression of the Kurdish people) :shifty:
Fvck Ataturk man. He was a dictator, you know that right? Just because he's a secular dictator that was pro west, the West likes to portray him in a positive sense.

As for Kurdistan, whether or not their demands are legitimate, their methods are definitely not the right way to go, especially in Turkey.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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Forza Kurdistan :shifty: and Forza Ataturk (aside from the oppression of the Kurdish people) :shifty:
:numnum: what was the your username btw?

Rear admiral vows 'flawless' revenge for Sledgehammer in recording

28 May 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,
Rear Adm. Cem Aziz Çakmak, who is currently among dozens of military officers jailed for their suspected involvement in a coup plot dubbed “Sledgehammer,” allegedly said in a recording posted online on Monday that “there will be revenge for the Sledgehammer” probe within two years and that it will hurt many, including children.

“The picture will be upside down within two years. Look, I am saying this. You would say my pasha had said this. These guys [behind the probe] will flee. Many of them will flee the country. And revenge will be very different. Many people will be hurt. I mean, many will be hurt in revenge,” a man, alleged to be Çakmak, is heard saying in a recording posted on video sharing website dailymotion.com on Monday.

The rear admiral says in the recording that the founder of Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, used to order his soldiers to “seize the whole city when a rebellion erupted, including children,” and implied that their revenge would be similar. “Our revenge will come at a time when they feel most self-confident and it will be flawless. … Atatürk used to order that everyone in a city be seized, not even leaving children, in the event of a rebellion. The man saw [the future]. Even the children … this is how it happens,” he continues.

“I believe one thing. Do you know when a person is weakest? When he feels most self-confident. … We also had much self-confidence and we were weak because of it. They are now making the same mistake,” he continues.

“There will be many cases of settling of accounts. Two years is long, it will be perhaps within a year. Once we are released from here, there will be a very serious payoff for those outside. It will be very serious. Do you know what our first plan is? They will be starved. Everything will start after this. I mean we are not idle,” he says.

In the recording, Çakmak refers to the coup suspects as “freedom fighters” and says “they will not give up hope.” “Of course, this will be a process. I do not know how much more we will suffer. But I do not think that it will take too long. We'll how many people they will release, if they do. I mean even if they don't, this will not take too long. That's what the news we received suggests. These are credible sources. This will be accounted for,” the person speaking in the recording is heard saying.

Arguing that it is impossible for “them” to evade “the trial of history,” the rear admiral claims that even those behind the Sledgehammer trial will not sleep comfortably in their graves. “Even the soil will reject their bodies,” he says. He adds that when he says “they” he means the judges, prosecutors and police officers who are now investigating the suspected plot.

Çakmak was arrested last year as part of an investigation into the Sledgehammer coup plan, a subversive plot allegedly prepared by a clique inside the military that included plans to crash jets and bomb large mosques during busy prayer hours to undermine the Justice and Development Party (AK Party) with the hope of eventually overthrowing it. The rear admiral is remembered for having threatened judges at the İstanbul 10th High Criminal Court, which is currently hearing the Sledgehammer case, last summer when he said he wonders “who will be trapped under the debris of the collapsing Sledgehammer case” and that “the judges will not be able to escape being tried for treason."
Threats directed at judges

The person in the recording, thought to be Çakmak, also speaks about remarks he made about members of the İstanbul 10th High Criminal Court. Complaining about a lack of “courageous” Turkish officers in the military, in particular in the land forces, he proudly says not a single naval officer referred the presiding judge as “esteemed judge.”

“We all spoke politically [during court sessions.] I begged them [officers] not to yield to them [judges] in their testimonies. I do not say esteemed judge and such in court. I am shouting 'members of the 10th High Criminal Court.' I am saying neither esteemed judge nor esteemed members of the court. I had said, looking at the panel of judges, that they will be tried for treason,” he adds.

Çakmak's alleged remarks in the recording comes on the heels of the emergence of a similar recording last week in which another Sledgehammer suspect threatened the government with civil war as soon as suspects imprisoned on charges of planning a coup d'état are released from prison.

In the recording, also posted on dailymotion.com on Friday, a person alleged to be Rear Adm. Fatih Ilgar harshly criticizes the prime minister and senior military officers and says suspects who have been imprisoned on charges of plotting to overthrow the government are set to be released from prison in around two months thanks to a bill that will be voted on in Parliament soon.

“There is a bill on the agenda. It will be passed in one or two months' time. Information coming to me suggests this. They will release us from prison thanks to that bill. This country will restore itself either through an economic crisis or civil war. One of these two options will knock on our door one day. If it's a war [that knocks on our door] then we will make it a [civil] war. It [the struggle against the government] will not end here [in prison]. We have plans for after we are set free,” the person is heard as saying.

According to the Sledgehammer plot, the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) had a systematic plan to create chaos in society by bombing mosques and attacking popular locations with the desired result being to increase pressure on the AK Party government for a perceived failure to provide security for its citizens. The attacks were intended to eventually lead to a military coup. The plan was drawn up in 2003 and discussed during a seminar at the General Staff's Selimiye Barracks in March that year.


Thousands pray for Istanbul landmark to become mosque

27 May 2012 / REUTERS, ISTANBUL
Thousands of devout Muslims prayed outside Turkey's historic Hagia Sophia museum on Saturday to protest a 1934 law that bars religious services at the former church and mosque.

Worshippers shouted, "Break the chains, let Hagia Sophia Mosque open," and "God is great" before kneeling in prayer as tourists looked on.

Turkey's secular laws prevent Muslims and Christians from formal worship within the 6th-century monument, the world's greatest cathedral for almost a millennium before invading Ottomans converted it into a mosque in the 15th century.

"Keeping Hagia Sophia Mosque closed is an insult to our mostly Muslim population of 75 million. It symbolises our ill-treatment by the West," Salih Turhan, head of the Anatolian Youth Association, which organised the event, told the crowd, whose male and female worshippers prayed separately according to Islamic custom.

The government has rejected requests from both Christians and Muslims to hold formal prayers at the site, historically and spiritually significant to adherents of both religions.

The rally's size and location signals more tolerance for religious expression under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, whose party traces its roots to a banned Islamist movement.

His government has also allowed Christian worship at sites that were off-limits for decades, as it seeks to bring human rights in line with the European Union, which it aims to join.

Turhan told Reuters his group staged the prayers ahead of celebrations next week marking the 559th anniversary of the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet's conquest of Byzantine Constantinople.

"As the grandchildren of Mehmet the Conqueror, seeking the re-opening Hagia Sophia as a mosque is our legitimate right," Turhan said in an interview.

Worshippers refrained from entering the museum, one of Turkey's most-visited tourist destinations and whose famous dome is considered a triumph of Byzantine architecture.

Some devout Turks believe that barring worship at Hagia Sophia is an affront against Sultan Mehmet, who designated it as a mosque and who, like other Ottoman leaders, served as caliph to the Islamic world.

Under Erdoğan, many Turks have come to embrace their imperial Ottoman past and question the more austere, Western-oriented reforms that followed the last sultan's overthrow in 1923.

The shift coincides with a stalled EU bid and declining expectations Turkey will ever join the mostly Christian bloc.

The government's active diplomatic engagement in the Middle East with lands that once belonged to the Ottoman empire has also prompted Turks to reexamine the NATO member's Western tilt.

Meanwhile, some Orthodox argue Hagia Sophia should be returned to its original state as a Christian basilica.

In 2010, 200 or so Greek American Orthodox aborted plans to pray at Hagia Sophia after the Turkish government threatened to block their entry into the country on security grounds.

The Ecumenical Patriarchate, spiritual leader of the world's 250 million Orthodox, does not support efforts to revert its former dominion into a church.

"We want it to remain a museum in line with the Republic of Turkey's principles," said Father Dositheos Anagnostopulos, the patriarch's spokesman.

"If it were to become a mosque, Christians wouldn't be able to pray there, and if it became a church it would be chaos."

Only a few thousand Greek Orthodox faithful are left in Turkey, but the patriarch's seat remains in Istanbul, a vestige of the Byzantine Empire.
 

JBF

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Ataturk is a peace of shit dictator no doubt but it was his work and principles that laid down the road for Turkey's democracy today.

IMO, during troubled times (e.g war, civil unrest, religious division ..etc) democracy ends up adding to the shit toll rather than mending it up. Hence many opting for a cruel dictator as a saviour despite knowing the oppression lying ahead.

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Ataturk is a peace of shit dictator no doubt but it was his work and principles that laid down the road for Turkey's democracy today.
Actually he never really intended to end one-party system. He has became more powerful than the Sultan as he killed thousands without a proper reason. He killed everybody doesn't agree with him. First proper election was in 1950, 12 years after his death. His successor in fear of a Soviet invasion, couldn't resist against the will of west and gave up on single party regime.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
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Ataturk is a peace of shit dictator no doubt but it was his work and principles that laid down the road for Turkey's democracy today.

IMO, during troubled times (e.g war, civil unrest, religious division ..etc) democracy ends up adding to the shit toll rather than mending it up. Hence many opting for a cruel dictator as a saviour despite knowing the oppression lying ahead.

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Erm...What? :confused:
 
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State watchdog: Özal's death suspicious, remains should be exhumed

13 June 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,
The State Audit Institution (DDK), which launched an investigation earlier this year into the cause of the death of former President Turgut Özal, has ruled that Özal's death was suspicious and has called for his remains to be exhumed in order to perform an autopsy.

In official reports Özal's death in 1993 was attributed to a heart attack. However, the DDK launched an inquiry into the former president's death on the order of President Abdullah Gül in March of this year and announced the findings of its report on Wednesday.

The report states the late president's death was sudden as he was not suffering from any chronic disease. “The sudden death of any president on duty is a suspicious one,” the report adds, noting that the fact that no autopsy was performed after his death is an “eclipse of reason.”

Özal's death has so far remained a matter of controversy. Though his private doctor declared that the former president died of a heart attack, his wife, children and close friends have suggested that he might have been poisoned.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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The same disgusting insults by the same disgusting people for the same idiotic reason, RELIGION! I hope when you die you meet 72 virgin macho trannies instead :)

Turkey without Ataturk and the likes, would have been disgusting place for having Islamist freaks like Erdogans and Fethullah gotverens now and in past.. For the sake of my friends and people I love in Turkey, I hope someone kicks Erdogan's ass, the sooner the better, before he harms the country more..
 
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Erdoğan hopes Islamic scholar Gülen returns to Turkey soon

15 June 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has openly invited Turkish Islamic scholar Fethullah Gülen to Turkey in a speech he delivered during the closing ceremony for the 10th Turkish Olympiads amid a standing ovation from a crowd of over 50,000.

Erdoğan, who spoke after he was granted a special award by the organizing committee of the Olympiads, implied that Gülen, without directly mentioning his name, should return to Turkey as soon as possible. The well-known scholar has been residing in the US for nearly 13 years.

“We want this yearning to end,” he said, receiving a lengthy standing ovation from the crowd, in a rare blunt invitation for Gülen to return to his homeland. Erdoğan added, “We want to see those who are abroad and longing for the homeland among us.”

Responding to the lengthy applause, Erdoğan further said he understands that the crowd also wants “this yearning to end.”

Gülen is a Turkish Islamic scholar well known for his teachings that promote mutual understanding and tolerance between different cultures and faiths. Now residing in the US, Gülen has pioneered educational activities in a number of countries, along with efforts to promote intercultural and interfaith activities around the world. The Turkish Olympiads are an initiative pioneered by schools associated with him.

He has also written nearly 60 books in Turkish, most of which have been translated into dozens of languages. He was most recently honored with the EastWest Institute's (EWI) 2011 EWI Peace Building Award for his contribution to world peace.

Gülen is in self-imposed exile in the US even though there is not any legal hurdle that prevent him from returning to Turkey. Shortly after he went to the US, in 2000, then-State Security Court (DGM) prosecutor Nuh Mete Yüksel launched a case against him on charges of establishing an illegal organization, but he was eventually acquitted after eight years. Upon appeal, the General Criminal Chamber of the Supreme Court of Appeals upheld the acquittal.
 
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Secret victims of terrorist PKK: child militants



17 June 2012 / HAŞİM SÖYLEMEZ ,
Sami was 14 when he joined the ranks of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). He first met with the urban wing of the terrorist organization and then found himself in the PKK camps. He joined the PKK mostly because of arguments claiming that “Kurds are oppressed and discriminated against in Turkey.”

Yet he decided to part ways with the terrorist organization after seeing the life in the mountains and distorted relations among the members of the PKK. He eventually managed to escape from the PKK camps. According to Sami, an equal number of people want to leave the ranks of the PKK as want to join them. “It is a matter of chance if those trying to flee the PKK camps survive. It is difficult to leave, and the moment you are captured, you are executed. Many of my friends who wanted to flee the camps were killed. It is particularly the children and teenagers who want to escape,” said Sami.

The statements of the young boy only begin to explain the plight of the child militants in the ranks of the PKK, which was brought into the spotlight by the 2012 Human Rights Report of the United States State Department.

According to the report, the PKK, which has been waging a bloody campaign in Turkey’s Southeast since 1984, regularly recruits children, and 36 percent of its members of under the age of 18.

The use of children as terrorists both in cities and mountains by the PKK is an issue which escapes public attention. The pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party (BDP), which capitalizes on any incident involving children, opts to remain silent when it comes to the young children recruited to fight for the PKK.

Some human rights groups, intellectuals and writers who bring various problems involving children such as child abuse, child labor, violence against children or child marriage to the public’s attention are also conspicuously quiet when it comes to the situation of child militants in the PKK.

Attorney Serdar Bülent Yılmaz, the head of the Diyarbakır branch of the Freedom Association (Özgür-Der), regrets the fact that although the issue of child warriors is a problem the world has been trying to address for many years, the children recruited by the PKK go unnoticed in Turkey and no one brings their misery to the public’s attention. “I personally became aware of this issue when I saw the bodies of children who joined the PKK in Pertek [in Tunceli province] in 1992 that had been killed within a week or so. This incident sparked outrage among families whose children had joined the PKK and led to a significant fall in the number of children joining the terrorist organization. So I think families of these children should speak out first and openly criticize the PKK,” said Yılmaz.

Recruiting “child warriors” is among the crimes against humanity and considered a violation of a fundamental human right, according to international laws and conventions. The Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict, which was adopted by the UN General Assembly on May 25, 2000, and came into force on Feb. 12, 2002, sets 18 as the minimum age for direct participation in hostilities, for recruitment into armed groups and for compulsory recruitment by governments.

Article 4 of the protocol states that “armed groups that are distinct from the armed forces of a State should not, under any circumstances, recruit or use in hostilities persons under the age of 18 years and that States Parties shall take all feasible measures to prevent such recruitment and use, including the adoption of legal measures necessary to prohibit and criminalize such practices.”

Former Liberian President Charles Taylor was convicted in April of war crimes and crimes against humanity before the United Nations Special Court for Sierra Leone. The court found Taylor guilty of the war crime of using child soldiers in addition to terrorizing civilians, murder, outrages of personal dignity, cruel treatment and looting.

Taylor played a crucial role in the armed conflict in Sierra Leone, orchestrating and conducting violent operations that utilized child soldiers.

Taylor’s conviction suggests that leaders of the PKK and the Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK), an umbrella organization that encompasses the PKK, may be tried before an international court one day for recruiting child militants and that they may be convicted.

According to sources from the PKK, half of the PKK militants based in its camps are under the age of 18 while the youngest PKK militant is an 8-year-old boy referred to as “K.”

Recruitment of children by the PKK has significantly increased since 1990, according to data from the police, gendarmerie and depositions of ex-PKK members. Fifty-nine percent of the child recruits in the PKK are boys while 41 percent are girls. Twenty-five percent of the children who joined the ranks of the PKK managed to flee its camps while there is no clear information about the fate of the 75 percent of the children that remain in the camps. Yet it is known that around half of the children who join the ranks of the terrorist organization lose their lives within two or three years, either in armed conflicts or due to intra-PKK executions or disease. It is possible to explain the reason behind the interest of children in becoming PKK militants with the KCK contract (which is regarded by the outlawed Kurdish National Congress [also known as the Kongra-Gel, the so-called legislative organ of the PKK] as the constitution of the organization), according to which every Kurd is a citizen of the KCK. This contract states that every citizen is obliged to pay taxes to the state and provide it with “soldiers.” If a family is not rich enough to pay taxes to the KCK, they are supposed to send one of their children to the PKK camps or give them to the urban service of the PKK. Although the number of voluntary child militants was high in the past, a survey recently conducted by the police among former PKK members showed that 70 percent of ex-PKK members had been coerced into joining, 19 percent of them had been tricked into joining, while 11 percent of them joined the PKK because a relative had previously joined the terrorist organization.

T.Y., a former PKK member who surrendered to security forces in May, told the authorities that the average age of PKK militants has fallen to as low as 12.

Another PKK fugitive, Z.T., said the main problem of the child militants in the PKK camps is being subjected to sexual harassment and rape.

“Both girls and boys are subjected to sexual harassment and rape. I witnessed at least 15 such cases. Older militants rape younger militant girls and threaten them to keep quiet about it. As long as such incidents are not uncovered, there is no problem. Some older militants carry condoms with them because pregnant militants would be burdensome. Young militant boys are subjected to rape or harassment in the same way. The abuser is sometimes a man, sometimes a woman,” said Z.T.According to İbrahim Güçlü, a Kurdish politician, the PKK’s recruitment of underage militia is not a new problem as it is a part of its fundamental ideological, cultural and social discourse.

“The PKK promises an independent and free Kurdistan by taking children to the PKK camps in the mountains, deceiving them with certain promises and brainwashing of children. It is employing the same political discourse today,” said Güçlü.

He also regretted the fact that Turkish politicians and intellectuals have failed to bring the issue of the PKK’s child militants to public attention.

A former PKK member, Şükrü Gümüş, said the order for recruitment of underage militia was given by the PKK’s jailed leader, Abdullah Öcalan, who once told top PKK operatives, “Bring me 14-year-old children.”

Captured in 1999, Öcalan has been serving a life sentence on İmralı island in the Sea of Marmara since then.
 
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Turkish troops, anti-aircraft guns on Syrian border

28 June 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM WITH WIRES,
A convoy of about 30 military vehicles, including trucks loaded with missile batteries, arrived in Turkey's coastal town of İskenderun and deployed near the the Syrian border 50 km (30 miles) away, Turkish agencies said.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan announced after Syrian air defences shot down a Turkish warplane last Friday he would step up security there.

Turkish television film showed the column moving off on Wednesday, escorted by police cars, along a narrow highway leading out of the main port of Turkey's Hatay province. It included rocket launchers on transporters, anti-aircraft artillery and military ambulances.

Erdoğan said any military element moving towards the Turkish border and deemed threatening would be declared a military target. The preponderance of air defence weapons in the convoy suggested Turkey was preparing for any possible approach by Syrian helicopters or warplanes.

State-run Anatolia news agency said armoured military vehicles were being transported to military installations in Sanliurfa, in the middle of Turkey's border with Syria and Hatay, a panhandle province that juts down into Syria.

It said several military vehicles had travelled separately to a military garrison in the border town of Reyhanli in Hatay.

There have been no details given of new rules of engagement issued to troops after the shooting down of the warplane which Turkey says was in international air space.

The Hatay region is sheltering over 33,000 refugees as well as elements of the Free Syrian Army.

"I can confirm there are troops being deployed along the border in Hatay province. Turkey is taking precautions after its jet was shot down," a Turkish official told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

He said he did not know how many troops or vehicles were being moved but said they were being stationed in the Yayladagi, Altinozu and Reyhanli border areas of Turkey's southern Hatay province. He said anti-aircraft guns were being stationed along the border.

He could not confirm media reports of troop movements further east along the border in the Turkish provinces of Gaziantep and Şanlıurfa.

Syrian government allows terrorist PKK to raise its flag in Syrian town

27 June 2012 / İBRAHIM ÇELIK, ŞANLIURFA
Syria, already experiencing tense relations with Turkey after downing a Turkish military jet last week, is turning a blind eye to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party’s (PKK) raising a Kurdistan flag in a Syrian town, disregarding the disturbance it would cause in Turkey.

The PKK has hoisted the flag in the Syrian town of Ayn-al Arab, close to Mürşitpınar village in Şanlıurfa’s Suruç district. The 15-meter-high flag, raised on a hill, is visible with the naked eye from Turkey.

There is a Syrian flag flying 200 meters away from the Kurdistan flag.

One resident of Mürşitpınar, N.Y., says that it is nothing less insolence towards Turkey for the flag to be flown on the highest hill in the region.

“From the outbreak of popular unrest in Syria we have already known that the terrorist organization was very close to us. But is not the flying of a PKK flag on the highest hill in the region with the support of the Syrian regime an act of defiance against Turkey?” said N.Y.

According to information gleaned from relatives on the other side of the border, N.Y. says the PKK has opened a school in Ayn-al Arab and is providing ideological instruction to the students there in order to raise them as PKK militants. He said going out at nights is forbidden in Ayn-al Arab and that the PKK has the full control over the area.

The PKK, listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the EU and US, has been waging a bloody campaign in Turkey’s Southeast since 1984. More than 40,000 people have been killed in the decades-long conflict to date. A military officer in Mürşitpınar, who asked not to be named, told Today’s Zaman that more than half of the PKK terrorists from the Kandil Mountains in Northern Iraq carry out acts of violence in Turkey by stationing themselves at the Syrian border.

Until 1998, PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan was based in Syria. As the situation deteriorated in Turkey, the Turkish government openly threatened Syria over its support for the PKK. As a result of this, the Syrian government forced Öcalan to leave the country, but did not turn him over to Turkish authorities. Öcalan fled to Russia.

According to security reports, terrorists who carried out an attack in the central province of Kayseri last month, killing two policemen and injuring 17 people, infiltrated Turkey from Syrian soil.

In addition to this, a PKK terrorist who was captured following an attack on the Yeşiltaş military post on June 19 that killed eight Turkish soldiers confessed that the goal of the PKK in this attack was to take control of the military base and then to raise a flag in the region.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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So, was that RF4 brought down because it was ordered by the Americans to make spy photos on a Russian cargo ship (carrying Russian helos to Syria)
Or a convinient pawn, to be sacrificed to flame propaganda and escalate the threat vs the current Syrian gvrmn?

And what happened to those pilots, were they saved, or were they captured?
If the USA+UK+Turkey alliance threaten Syria, who is standing up for them? Whats stopping them to play their hand there and install a regime of their interests?
The Russians and Israeli only seem interested to make some profit by selling weapons, it doesnt seem enough though.

And what the Turks have to win, i thought that they are not on such a tight US leash anymore, are they promised oil? land, or the current Syrian gvrmnt supports PKK?
Whats their stake?

Someone cares to elaborate what it really goes on there?
 
Jul 2, 2006
18,806
So, was that RF4 brought down because it was ordered by the Americans to make spy photos on a Russian cargo ship (carrying Russian helos to Syria)
Or a convinient pawn, to be sacrificed to flame propaganda and escalate the threat vs the current Syrian gvrmn?

And what happened to those pilots, were they saved, or were they captured?
If the USA+UK+Turkey alliance threaten Syria, who is standing up for them? Whats stopping them to play their hand there and install a regime of their interests?
The Russians and Israeli only seem interested to make some profit by selling weapons, it doesnt seem enough though.

And what the Turks have to win, i thought that they are not on such a tight US leash anymore, are they promised oil? land, or the current Syrian gvrmnt supports PKK?
Whats their stake?

Someone cares to elaborate what it really goes on there?
Neither. Syria shot it without even givin a warning on international airspace. These border violations are oftenly happening, Syria violated it for 102 times just in a year. You simply can't shot a plane just because it has crossed the borders for a short time. Pilots are dead most probably. Though both Turkiye and US want Essad gone, their motives are different.
 

Brandmon

Juventuz irregular
Aug 13, 2008
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The plane being shot down does not reveal anything except that the Syrian armed forces are at their wit's end. Airspace violations are commonplace everywhere - the Turkish airforce itself violated the airspace of its neighbors hundreds of times each year. Russians also violate Finnish and Canadian airspace as frequently. It is not in the news out of the fact that it is so common, it is nothing new. Such incidents are nearly always resolved by a demand by the sovereign nation in question. Only thing that is special about this incident is that Syria fired without warning.
 

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