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Well in a way erdogan have a similar ideology like ISIS but in a somewhat non violent way.
He's part of the Muslims brotherhood organization. I have many ex-Muslim brotherhood friends who said to me openly that the organization ultimate goal is to create the Khilafah one day in the future. They call it the "tamkeen" for those who know the meaning in Arabic. Which practically means they'll use Democrocy (in a democratic nations like Turkey, Indonesia, somewhat morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait and Jordan) to change laws in the constitution so that slowly but surly control the whole country and turn it into a fascist nations.
They won't say it openly to everyone but if you get pretty close to them they'll admit it.
He's part of the Muslims brotherhood organization. I have many ex-Muslim brotherhood friends who said to me openly that the organization ultimate goal is to create the Khilafah one day in the future. They call it the "tamkeen" for those who know the meaning in Arabic. Which practically means they'll use Democrocy (in a democratic nations like Turkey, Indonesia, somewhat morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait and Jordan) to change laws in the constitution so that slowly but surly control the whole country and turn it into a fascist nations.
They won't say it openly to everyone but if you get pretty close to them they'll admit it.
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That's scary. And it is scary that people like Fred, Rebel and Turk are supporting the future fascists Islamic nations. And it is scary that Russia, US and EU are only fueling the problem with their inadequate politics. I can see a new Cold War between the new Islamic states and the rest of the World for generations to come.
Point me towards one post that makes you say that.
The only thing that is scary is how little you seem to understand middle eastern politics. I would actually say that my views are the complete opposite of fascism. Ffs I'm someone who admires Milton Friedman, Sowell, Hayek and co. I'm someone who dreams of a democratic middle east, with a free market economy and less reliance on government for everything from employment to subsidies. Anyone who has conversed with me for even a little knows those are my views. But you see me supporting Erdogan and you immediately put me in a box, just goes to how simplistic your outlook is on middle eastern politics is.
The only thing that is scary is how little you seem to understand middle eastern politics. I would actually say that my views are the complete opposite of fascism. Ffs I'm someone who admires Milton Friedman, Sowell, Hayek and co. I'm someone who dreams of a democratic middle east, with a free market economy and less reliance on government for everything from employment to subsidies. Anyone who has conversed with me for even a little knows those are my views. But you see me supporting Erdogan and you immediately put me in a box, just goes to how simplistic your outlook is on middle eastern politics is.
I'm sorry, you're right. But still... Supporting Erdogan is 
If someone makes you choose between two shaites you don't have to choose any one of them. I wouldn't support Hitler cause I support Palestinian independent state. You're kinda doing that by supporting a militant islamic autocrat who has close connections with fundamentalists and has delusional dreams about new Ottoman empire.
If someone makes you choose between two shaites you don't have to choose any one of them. I wouldn't support Hitler cause I support Palestinian independent state. You're kinda doing that by supporting a militant islamic autocrat who has close connections with fundamentalists and has delusional dreams about new Ottoman empire.Fred why do you support erdogan ?
He helps IS, has an annexation agenda and kinda genocides kurds.
He's not much better then Assad.
IS is a problem that can be rooted out if Turkey stops harboring them and buying their spOILs of war, and if we stop feeding Saudi arabia.
Having said that, im ashames our belgian goverment is still doing deals with them. Fucking hypocrits they are.
He helps IS, has an annexation agenda and kinda genocides kurds.
He's not much better then Assad.
IS is a problem that can be rooted out if Turkey stops harboring them and buying their spOILs of war, and if we stop feeding Saudi arabia.
Having said that, im ashames our belgian goverment is still doing deals with them. Fucking hypocrits they are.
I'm sorry, you're right. But still... Supporting Erdogan is If someone makes you choose between two shaites you don't have to choose any one of them. I wouldn't support Hitler cause I support Palestinian independent state. You're kinda doing that by supporting a militant islamic autocrat who has close connections with fundamentalists and has delusional dreams about new Ottoman empire.
If someone makes you choose between two shaites you don't have to choose any one of them. I wouldn't support Hitler cause I support Palestinian independent state. You're kinda doing that by supporting a militant islamic autocrat who has close connections with fundamentalists and has delusional dreams about new Ottoman empire.
A Militant Islamic Autocrat?
How is he militant? is it because of his conflict with the Kurds? I'd beg to differ, would other Western States deal any differently towards militant insurgency groups?
Islamic? What does this mean? that he's a Muslim? His party is officially secular though.
Autocrat? Again, I'd like some further clarification. His party was democratically elected several times for over a decade now. Turkey is a country with a functioning constitution and free and fair elections.
All your claims are unsubstantiated, and biased.
I can't even take seriously a comparison between Assad and Erdogan.
Has he supported ISIS covertly over the past few years? Unfortunately he has, but Carter and Reagan from the US supported those same people in Afghanistan in the 80's.
If you are at all familiar with ISIS(and Al Qaeda before them) ideology, you'd know that they see Erdogan and his ilk as nothing but another secular infidel who should be decapitated. But right now, they obviously have other priorities. Erdogan doesn't support ISIS ideologically, it's lazy to think that that's even remotely possible. It just happens to be that some of their interests aligned at some point, exactly like the American Administration in the 80's.
Ok, @Fred
1. Exactly. The Kurds should have an independent state. They are 20 mil and are treated pretty bad. You are not completely right about European (western) states. We all saw what happened to Yugoslavia. But on the other hand this question is debatable, because we can see the cases of Ireland and Spain.
2. Islamic - my bad. What I meant to say is that Erdogan supports Wahhabi and Salafi ideas, which are terrible.
3. His last attempt to create a presidential republic failed by very little and he is more and more going in an autocratic direction, if you are turning a blind eye - it's your problem and your agenda.
Assad is an Erdogan put in the wrong place and the wrong time. Erdogan is a huge disaster waiting to happen.
1. Exactly. The Kurds should have an independent state. They are 20 mil and are treated pretty bad. You are not completely right about European (western) states. We all saw what happened to Yugoslavia. But on the other hand this question is debatable, because we can see the cases of Ireland and Spain.
2. Islamic - my bad. What I meant to say is that Erdogan supports Wahhabi and Salafi ideas, which are terrible.
3. His last attempt to create a presidential republic failed by very little and he is more and more going in an autocratic direction, if you are turning a blind eye - it's your problem and your agenda.
Assad is an Erdogan put in the wrong place and the wrong time. Erdogan is a huge disaster waiting to happen.
Do some research man ffs 
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First of all Salafis are a huge group with differing views. However the traditional Salafis: Erdogan hates them and they hate him even more. I really doubt you know what you're talking about here. That is not even in doubt, Erdogan supports factions in the Middle East that are directly opposed to the traditional Salafis.
I really don't mean to be demeaning, but its really hard to discuss these ideologies and ideas when you say something like the bolded. That's like me saying that Rand Paul is a socialist, would it be worth continuing a discussion on American politics with me after that?
. First of all Salafis are a huge group with differing views. However the traditional Salafis: Erdogan hates them and they hate him even more. I really doubt you know what you're talking about here. That is not even in doubt, Erdogan supports factions in the Middle East that are directly opposed to the traditional Salafis.
I really don't mean to be demeaning, but its really hard to discuss these ideologies and ideas when you say something like the bolded. That's like me saying that Rand Paul is a socialist, would it be worth continuing a discussion on American politics with me after that?
you don't say anything about Wahhabism, supporting fundamentalists groups and his son's actions.
You're right about salafism but what about the other topics?
What about this
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/turkey-tries-cover-arming-al-qaeda
You're right about salafism but what about the other topics?
What about this
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/turkey-tries-cover-arming-al-qaeda
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...air-strike-syrian-market-151129082103978.html
But in this forum you will find members who swear Russians do not hurt a fly, and target anybody but civilians.
But in this forum you will find members who swear Russians do not hurt a fly, and target anybody but civilians.
Good job Russia bombing is a great solution I hope more countries like Germany join the train
https://twitter.com/IHHen/status/671047246130057216
bombing is a great solution I hope more countries like Germany join the trainhttps://twitter.com/IHHen/status/671047246130057216