Syrian civil war (33 Viewers)

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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I think he should do whatever it takes to prolong pissing the zionists off and making them spend billions on defensive measures while still pissing in their pants in the North.

Look, I hate Bashar just like any other dictator out there and want him gone but not one bit do I see what Nasrallah did and is doing as shocking or disgraceful. This is politics and it never was about principle and never will. It's all about interests and that of Nasrallah lies clearly with the Syrian regime.
 

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    I think he should do whatever it takes to prolong pissing the zionists off and making them spend billions on defensive measures while still pissing in their pants in the North.

    Look, I hate Bashar just like any other dictator out there and want him gone but not one bit do I see what Nasrallah did and is doing as shocking or disgraceful. This is politics and it never was about principle and never will. It's all about interests and that of Nasrallah lies clearly with the Syrian regime.
    Do you think Nasrallah really annoys Israel?

    Do you remember why Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982?
    To occupy Lebanon?
    No, it was to stop freedom fighters from attacking it from Lebanon.

    Do you think after thirty years Zionists failed?
    I don't think so as Nasrallah and his gang are doing a great job to protect their borders in the same way the Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies do.

    Briefly, he tried to appear as the one who achieved victory because Israelis withdrew from South Lebanon, but in reality Israel never wanted to stay there.
     

    JBF

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    Aug 5, 2006
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    Do you think Nasrallah really annoys Israel?

    Do you remember why Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982?
    To occupy Lebanon?
    No, it was to stop freedom fighters from attacking it from Lebanon.

    Do you think after thirty years Zionists failed?
    I don't think so as Nasrallah and his gang are doing a great job to protect their borders in the same way the Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies do.

    Briefly, he tried to appear as the one who achieved victory because Israelis withdrew from South Lebanon, but in reality Israel never wanted to stay there.
    :wth:

    Dude no question about it they wanted to stay in South Lebanon. As hard as it is for many to admit; many Lebanese fought the israelies even before the PLO was a prime player in Lebanon. That's a fact and after 1982 many kept that track and Hezballah emerged as the most successful. It's blasphemy to mark the israeli withdrawal in 2000 as anything but a victory, countless men and woman lost their lives in the road to achieve that and the israelis only quit when they realized they were losing more than their gains occupying that spot; same reason they left Seena for.

    Im amazed you feel that way Abed, honestly I am.

    And in 2006 clearly Hezballah kicked ass in that war, I don't care how many tried to hide it but even the IOF admitted that. They went there to get that nail from their foot called Hezballah and they emerged with a leg cut off.
     
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    ReBeL

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    :wth:

    Dude no question about it they wanted to stay in South Lebanon. As hard as it is for many to admit; many Lebanese fought the israelies even before the PLO was a prime player in Lebanon. That's a fact and after 1982 many kept that track and Hezballah emerged as the most successful. It's blasphemy to mark the israeli withdrawal in 2000 as anything but a victory, countless men and woman lost their lives in the road to achieve that and the israelis only quit when they realized they were losing more than their gains occupying that spot; same reason they left Seena for.

    Im amazed you feel that way Abed, honestly I am.

    And in 2006 clearly Hezballah kicked ass in that war, I don't care how many tried to hide it but even the IOF admitted that. They went there to get that nail from their foot called Hezballah and they emerged with a leg cut off.
    Amazed because of my opinion? Why?
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Apparently Syria had their pro-government protesters attack the US and French embassies yesterday. Or so the media says. I don't know what to make of it, was it a natural function of everyday Syrian peoples or was it set up by the government?
     

    Enron

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    Here's an article with some quotes from our ambassador. Seems to be a bit of a cowboy.

    Clinton blasts Syria, its president after attack on embassy

    (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lashed out Monday at Syrian authorities for not protecting U.S. and French embassies in Damascus, adding she felt its president "has lost legitimacy" and wants to deflect attention from a crackdown on peaceful protesters.
    Clinton insisted that Syria must meet its "international obligations immediately" to safeguard diplomats and property, hours after U.S. officials say that hundreds descended on its embassy for the third time in four days, scaling its walls and inflicting considerable damage.
    Demonstrators also tried to break into the French Embassy in the same Middle Eastern nation Monday, said Romain Nadal, a spokesman for the French Foreign Ministry. Security officers at France's embassy were forced to fire three warning shots, the embassy said on its Twitter account.
    These incidents mark the latest escalation between Syrian and Western authorities, many of which have criticized reported violent crackdowns against anti-government demonstrators.

    While not calling for President Bashar al-Assad's ouster, Clinton offered strong language condemning his government and stressing that its leader is "not indispensable." She said his regime "will not succeed in deflecting attention" for the violence
    "From our perspective, he has lost legitimacy," the secretary said. "He has failed to deliver on the promises he has made."
    Earlier, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland official accused state-run media in Syria of "inciting" what she called "thugs" to attack the U.S. Embassy in Damascus on Monday.

    The day earlier, U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford wrote a note on the embassy's Facebook page slamming Damascus for letting "an anti-U.S. demonstration proceed freely while their security thugs beat down olive branch-carrying peaceful protesters elsewhere."
    Ford also met that day with Syria's foreign minister -- a meeting the State Department said was pre-planned, but that Syria said came because the ambassador had been summoned. Nuland said that Foreign Minister Walid Moallem then "pledged to do a better job" to protect the embassy, the perimeter of which is protected by local security forces.

    "So no sooner does he make that pledge when, today, we have thugs going over the walls," Nuland said Monday, shortly before Clinton said that the United States had reiterated its demand for Syria to protect its embassy.
    About 300 people gathered at the embassy chancery building, and some of them came over its walls and even got on the roof, Nuland said. Once inside the compound, they used spray paint, tossed tomatoes and eggs, broke windows and knocked out security cameras.
    No shots were fired, said Nuland. A senior State Department official said that U.S. Marine guards, who "never left the facility or engaged with demonstrators," eventually helped lock-down the facility and ensure all inside were safe.
    Local guards, working with Syrian police, then swept the area to ensure that it was clear of demonstrators, the official said.
    Another mob, meanwhile, went to the U.S. ambassador's residence two blocks away and also scaled walls there, said the spokeswoman. There, they broke windows, threw food and sprayed paint.

    No one was hurt in either locale. Nuland said the United States "will obviously hold the Syrian government accountable for the damages."
    She said that Syria's government "failed" in its mission to protect diplomatic sites, and claimed that state-run Syrian TV "appeared to be inciting" the mobs.
    Nuland accused Damascus of "seeking to make distractions around our embassy" as it seeks to end months of dissent by its own citizens. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has said that around 1,400 civilians and 350 security and military forces have died since the unrest began.
    France and the United States have been at odds with Syria since Thursday's visit of their respective ambassadors to Hama.
    Syrian human rights activists say the Syrian military has been fighting to crush protests in that city led by people seeking governmental reform. A Syrian official last week insisted no military operation was under way in Hama, despite the reports.

    The Syrian government later condemned the ambassadors for visiting the city without permission. Syria's foreign ministry insisted the visit violated the Vienna Convention, a 1961 accord that sets ground rules as to how diplomats can operate in other nations. U.S. officials said that Syria's failure to protect the embassy violates that same agreement.

    Ford said in a statement that the pro-government protesters had caused "some damage" at the embassy, drawing a contrast to the tactics employed in Hama by those opposed to the al-Assad government.
    "They resorted to violence, unlike the people in Hama, who have stayed peaceful. Go look at the Baath or police headquarters in Hama -- no damage that I saw," the ambassador said.

    The French Foreign Ministry issued its own statement Sunday saying its embassy was also besieged by demonstrators and faulting Syrian authorities for failing to stop the destruction of vehicles, the burning of French flags and other damage.

    -CNN's Jill Dougherty, Arwa Damon and Elise Labott contributed to this report.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Dec 16, 2003
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    Look, I hate Bashar just like any other dictator out there and want him gone but not one bit do I see what Nasrallah did and is doing as shocking or disgraceful. This is politics and it never was about principle and never will. It's all about interests and that of Nasrallah lies clearly with the Syrian regime.
    Sooner or later you'll change your mind my friend.
     

    Azzurri7

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    RAMI¹⁰;3139951 said:
    This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.
    I only have one question... What business had the American ambassador in Hama city to go there?!
    No idea, but maybe to check on the situation there? The massacre maybe..

    When did he go Friday or Saturday?
     
    Dec 26, 2004
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    RAMI¹⁰;3139951 said:
    This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.
    I only have one question... What business had the American ambassador in Hama city to go there?!
    Answer my question and you will get your answer for free... How on earth did he manage to go to Hama without the knowledge of the government?
     

    Enron

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    RAMI¹⁰;3139951 said:
    This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier.
    I only have one question... What business had the American ambassador in Hama city to go there?!
    To see the peaceful protests and the freedom of speech Syria is famous for?

    Answer my question and you will get your answer for free... How on earth did he manage to go to Hama without the knowledge of the government?
    The government knew they went, but they could do nothing to stop them. It wasn't just US ambassador, the French and other dignitaries went along as well. I guess the government decided to send a message.

    Rab, they went on Thursday.
     

    RAMI-N

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    Aug 22, 2006
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    No idea, but maybe to check on the situation there? The massacre maybe..

    When did he go Friday or Saturday?
    As far as I know, it's not his business to do so. this is an internal affair.
    Believe me I don't know when he went there, I'm not following the events there :D

    Answer my question and you will get your answer for free... How on earth did he manage to go to Hama without the knowledge of the government?
    So you are implying he didn't go?! or that he went with the approval of the government?
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    It is the whole worlds business when unarmed civilians are being shot, killed, arrested, imprisoned and tortured just because they ask for their basic rights as human beings.
     

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