Syrian civil war (12 Viewers)

[ReBeL]

Anyone knows about the Syrian girl reporter that broke into tears live on tv? She was fired moments later? It was on Tv but I can't seem to find it.

You mean Sameera Masalma?

She was the chief editor in one of the governmental newspapers there "Teshreen Newspaper". After she appeared on Aljazeera and was almost crying for what was happening on Friday at Daraa city and she said that she can not bear lying anymore, she was given the boot by the government.

 

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[Turk_Bianconero]

In this case no. Turkey has 15Bn invested in Libya, 15Bn that Erdogan is so scared for, he wants more than anyone else for Gedaffi to stay.

He publicly said it 15B times that Gaddafi must go.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi for ignoring Turkey´s advice that he hand over leadership and said Western attacks on Gaddafi forces should end as soon as possible so that stability could be restored in Libya.

21 March 2011, Monday / TODAY´S ZAMAN, İSTANBUL

“We have given advice [to both Gaddafi and the rebels]. We wanted Libya to decide on its fate without bloodshed. We wish Libya had transitioned its reform process like Tunisia and Egypt did. Unfortunately, this has not happened and the situation has come to a highly undesirable point.”

''We told him that he should respect the people’s will and that this [conflict] should end. Unfortunately, he brought the situation to this point,”

“Unfortunately, we could not succeed. Now, I hope the latest developments will bring a swift end to this era of brothers killing each other and the will of the Libyan people will rule Libya.”

Asked whether Gaddafi should step down from leadership, Erdoğan said: “We have passed that point. Gaddafi is contradicting himself. He said he was not officially the leader of Libya. What is expected of a person who is not officially in charge is to hand over [the administration of] Libya to a person who has an official leadership position.”

“Of course, now we want the military intervention to end and stability to be restored as soon as possible in Libya,” the prime minister said.

“We are not pessimistic. We should never lose hope. We can stop the unending bloodshed and tears in this region. Believe me, we can do this,” he added.

 

[Azzurri7]

You mean Sameera Masalma?

She was the chief editor in one of the governmental newspapers there "Teshreen Newspaper". After she appeared on Aljazeera and was almost crying for what was happening on Friday at Daraa city and she said that she can not bear lying anymore, she was given the boot by the government.

Yes, she's the one.

Thanks man.

Respect to Sameera, she admitted she couldn't lie anymore when she broke into tears... Even though she knew what the consequences would be later on.

 

[ReBeL]

I don't have Youtube here, but from searching on Google, it seems this is the video for her interview that made them fire her


If it is not the interview, please tell me as I can not see any youtube video.

 

[Azzurri7]

Yes, that's the one Abed.

 

[ReBeL]

Yes, that's the one Abed.

 

[Azzurri7]

You know a relative of this woman was shot and that's why she couldn't stay quiet anymore.

 

[JBF]

She's not a reporter though, she's an editor for Tishreen newspaper, one of the famous government speaking journals in Syria.

 

[JBF]

He publicly said it 15B times that Gaddafi must go.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi for ignoring Turkey´s advice that he hand over leadership and said Western attacks on Gaddafi forces should end as soon as possible so that stability could be restored in Libya.

21 March 2011, Monday / TODAY´S ZAMAN, İSTANBUL

“We have given advice [to both Gaddafi and the rebels]. We wanted Libya to decide on its fate without bloodshed. We wish Libya had transitioned its reform process like Tunisia and Egypt did. Unfortunately, this has not happened and the situation has come to a highly undesirable point.”

''We told him that he should respect the people’s will and that this [conflict] should end. Unfortunately, he brought the situation to this point,”

“Unfortunately, we could not succeed. Now, I hope the latest developments will bring a swift end to this era of brothers killing each other and the will of the Libyan people will rule Libya.”

Asked whether Gaddafi should step down from leadership, Erdoğan said: “We have passed that point. Gaddafi is contradicting himself. He said he was not officially the leader of Libya. What is expected of a person who is not officially in charge is to hand over [the administration of] Libya to a person who has an official leadership position.”

“Of course, now we want the military intervention to end and stability to be restored as soon as possible in Libya,” the prime minister said.

“We are not pessimistic. We should never lose hope. We can stop the unending bloodshed and tears in this region. Believe me, we can do this,” he added.

He's playing on both sides. He has a hidden agenda but naturally he won't come out on T.V saying we support a massacre in Libya to protect our interests that Gaddafi provides.


Im shocked you haven't read about how close Erdogan and Gaddafi has been since he become a PM. The deals that was signed between those two sides are ridiculously high, some of many were labelled classified too. It would be stupid to defend Erdogan on this just because of what he did before with us. He may well be protecting his country's interests but that in no way justifies supporting the criminal Gaddafi obviously is, and when he's asking the rebels to accept a "solution" where Gaddafi's family stays in power is sick and disgusting to say the least.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Im shocked you haven't read about how close Erdogan and Gaddafi has been since he become a PM. The deals that was signed between those two sides are ridiculously high, some of many were labelled classified too. It would be stupid to defend Erdogan on this just because of what he did before with us. He may well be protecting his country's interests but that in no way justifies supporting the criminal Gaddafi obviously is, and when he's asking the rebels to accept a "solution" where Gaddafi's family stays in power is sick and disgusting to say the least.

There is nothing wrong if two country are signings deals, isn't it? When did he said that Gaddafi's family should stay in power? He told Gaddafi to leave and appoint a president who has support of people. Gaddafi forces are Libyans too, right? Libyans are killing each other and first priority is stopping bloodshed.

 

[JBF]

There is nothing wrong if two country are signings deals, isn't it?

No there isn't. I was merely stressing on the fact that Turkey thinks it would lose a lot of its recent gains in Libya and out of that fear they reacted the way they did (my thoughts here, none of this can be proved...yet), which was a very dumb reaction.

When did he said that Gaddafi's family should stay in power? He told Gaddafi to leave and appoint a president who has support of people. Gaddafi forces are Libyans too, right? Libyans are killing each other and first priority is stopping bloodshed.

He did propose a state of the art solution to the conflict as they've put it, before his recent Libya speech, in which negotiations would resume on basis of keeping the regime but starting over with some serious repairs. Yeah that's what the Libyans have lost their lives fighting for, serious repairs to the regime.

No doubt the bloodshed should stop, but first the ones who for about half a century started it should be overthrown and trailed for their crimes.

 

[ReBeL]

Gaddafi forces are Libyans too, right? Libyans are killing each other and first priority is stopping bloodshed.

That is the problem. Erdogan really thinks that there are many Libyans that support Qaddhafi while if you follow the situation there, you would find that the majority of Qaddhafi's forces are African & Serb mercenaries.

 

[Azzurri7]

What Abed just said. They even mentioned it on some Lebanese channel last night how many mercenaries they've caught till now. The figures are big, really big.

 

[Snoop]

Because I find it somehow weird to say that you expect non-Syrians to not give their opinions or interfere because they're simply not Syrians. The same case can be applied to you Snoop, you're Armenian, you consider yourself Armenian more than anything which is only right thing to do of course if you want so; therefore you don't have the rights to give your opinion too just like us no? Even if you're living there, if you don't consider yourself Syrian then you shouldn't according by your logic.

You gotta be kidding me right? I feel Armenian, so I should stop paying taxes from now on, and I shouldn't serve the army, or vote, or I should even burn my national identity and any Syrian license I have.

what the fuck are you talking about man?

 

[Azzurri7]

You are Armenian or Syrian? You know why I am asking you? Because I know Armenians in Lebanon don't consider themselves as Lebanese but Armenians.

And I was being sarcastic in my previous post obviously as I was replying to your post when you quoted Rebel saying he shouldn't give his opinion or interfere in the Syrian problem. Therefore I said if that's the case with Abed it should be the case with you and everyone else except the Syrians.

Just forget it, I feel lost now..

 

[Snoop]

I consider myself Armenian, because I speak Armenian and my friends and my family are Armenians. I am Syrian at the same time, cause I lived most of my life here. I am probably the least nationalist in this forum, if you ask me something about Armenia, I can't answer, I don't even know who is the prime minister of Armenia or which party rules. I am telling you these just that no one gets any wrong idea about the nationalism, you can tell, that I don't belong to any nation, I am a world citizen

it's not about Syria only, where ever I go and live, nothing will change, I won't have any nationalistic feelings, I feel Armenian because I was raised in Armenian speaking family and friends, it's my mother language, and not because I see Armenia above Syria or any other nation.

I am part of this country, my opinion, Rami's or Gaith's count in the end in this country and the rest of 20 Millions, any other person's opinion, who doesn't have to do anything with this country, doesn't count. I don't mean opinions exactly thou, but interfering is what I am talking about.

Best thing is to forget it, like you said it. Cause I can't accept when someone tells me that Syria's future shouldn't interest me, and I shouldn't have a word or voting for Syria!

 

[K.O.]

I am part of this country, my opinion, Rami's or Gaith's count in the end in this country and the rest of 20 Millions, any other person's opinion, who doesn't have to do anything with this country, doesn't count. I don't mean opinions exactly thou, but interfering is what I am talking about.

Enough said.

 

[ReBeL]

The cancer in the Arab world is those that think that as long as they are given previliges in their countries over others, then everything is fine and they have to defend the regime even if that regime is oppressing everybody else.

 

[Azzurri7]

This is a quote material Abed. +rep

 

[Azzurri7]

Some confidential secrets has been leaked to the media from uknown people in the Syrian secret service... dangerous stuff.


الجمهورية العربية السورية
إدارة المخابرات العامة

الرقم / /
التاريخ / /
بدون تسجيل/ سري للغاية

إدارة المخابرات العامة / سري جداً /

الخطة العامة للتثبيت:
الموضوع:

هناك توجه متزايد لدى فئة ضئيلة نحو تقليد ما حدث في تونس ومصر بالاستفادة من الظروف الاقتصادية في القطر والجو الخارجي المناصر للتحركات الشعبية. وهذا التوجه ربما يزداد بعد ما جرى في مدينة درعا منذ أيام قليلة.

التقييم:
لا بد من الاستفادة من التجربة الماضية في التعامل مع حركة الاخوان المسلمين العدائية, والاستفادة من اخطاء النظام التونسي والمصري خاصة أنهما قاما بتحييد قوة الجيش والحرس الجمهوري منذ البداية وسمحوا لوسائل الإعلام لتغطية كل تحرك حتى خرجت الأمور عن السيطرة.

لن تصل الأمور باستخدام الطرق المرسومة في الخطة التفصيلية إلى حالة خطرة على النظام العام والقطر أو تهدد الاستمرارية القائمة وستكون الحصيلة الإجمالية مرور عدة أشهر متعبة وبعدها يخرج النظام أقوى إلى أجل غير محدد.
اجتمعت اللجنة الأمنية المصغرة المؤلفة من كل من أ ش, م ن, ح خ , ع م, ح م, بتاريخ 23 3 2011 فيما يخص الاحتجاجات والتظاهرات المعادية وناقشت الأمر من جميع جوانبه الأمنية والسياسية والإعلامية ووضعت التدابير والإجراءات التالية: وثم التأكيد أن المعالجة تتطلب اشراك ثلاثة انواع من العمل : أمني وإعلامي وسياسي اقتصادي بالحدود الدنيا.

الخطة التفصيلية:
تعتمد الخطة على ثلاثة عناصر متكاملة: إعلامي - أمني وأداء ميداني – سياسي اقتصادي.

العنصر الإعلامي:
- ربط التظاهرات والاحتجاجات المعادية للنظام بالشخصيات مكروهة عند السوريين كالشخصيات السعودية واللبنانية المعروفة وربط الجميع بالصهيونية وأمريكا. هناك خطة تقوم خلية أمنية بإعدادها وإدخالها بالطرق المناسبة بشكل مؤقت في مواقع مشبوهة باسم خطة بندر بن سلطان قابلة للتصديق والإقناع.

- حملة إعلامية مكثفة تتهم المحتجين والمعادين بالعمالة للسعودية وإسرائيل وأمريكا, وفي حالة حدوث عمليات قتل يجب على الخلية الأمنية الإعلامية تكرار اتهام عصابات مسلحة أو متطرفة وأن الأجهزة الأمنية والجيش يساهمان في حفظ الأمن والاستقرار والأهالي.

- حملة إعلامية غير مباشرة في التلفزيون والقنوات الخاصة والشوارع حول الفتنة الطائفية وتخويف المسيحيين والدروز من الإخوان المسلمين والتطرف الذي سيواجهونه إذا لم يشاركوا في إنهاء الاحتجاجات وفي منطقة الساحل استنفار العلوين ليدافعوا عن نظامهم وحياتهم التي ستصبح مهددة من قبل التطرف السني.

- تكليف بعض العناصر الأمنية في كافة الأجهزة الأمنية بالعمل من خلال الفيسبووك للرد والتشويش على المعادين, وجعل بعضهم يأخذ صفة معادية للنظام بأسماء مستعارة وطرح أساليب وتوجهات تسيء إلى سمعة المعارضين, وكذلك يمكن لهم كشف الأساليب والمخططات المعادية للسيد الرئيس والقطر.

- منع وسائل الإعلام من التواجد في أماكن الشغب, ومعاقبة من ينقل أي خبر لا يخدم القطر, وعدم إظهار أي تهاون في هذا الأمر.
- في حال تمكن المعادون من تصوير أو نقل أية فيدوهات أو صورة ينبغي قيام الخلية الأمنية الإعلامية بتجهيز مشاهد عن الاحتجاجات ووضع ثغرات فيها يمكن بعدها عرضها على الإعلام السوري والشبكات الإعلامية الأخرى وفضح هذه الثغرات وبالتالي يعمم هذا في ذهن الجميع لإفقاد أشرطة وصور المعادين مصداقيتها