Syrian civil war (23 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

- تعتمد وسائل الإعلام عندما يمنع المراسلين فيها عن التغطية والتدخل على شهود العيان, ونتوقع أن يتجرأ البعض ويتصلوا بالفضائيات كشهود عيان، لذلك يقع على عاتق الخلية الأمنية الإعلامية تجهيز بعض شهود العيان من العناصر الأمنية المحترفة للتحدث مع الفضائيات على أن يكون شهادتهم مبالغة وثغرات يمكن فضحها مباشرة في إعلامنا ومع الفضائيات، وبالتالي تصبح قضية شهود العيان ورقة محروقة.

- تكليف بعض أعضاء مجلس الشعب بمهام للرد على المعادين والمخربين، ووضع بعض النقاط والمحددات لهم في طريقة الرد.
- تكليف بعض الشخصيات في أجهزة الدولة من مناطق الاحتجاج ذاتها بالرد على المحتجين والمعادين.
- في حال كانت حالة العداء شديدة ويصعب التغاضي عنها، لا بد من تحويل العداء إلى مجرد مطالب محلية خاصة بالمنطقة وحسب.
- تسيير قوافل سيارات تحمل صور السيد رئيس الجمهورية، ويمكن أن يضاف لها العلم السوري، من قبل عناصر الأمن وأصدقائهم وأولاد المسؤولين والضبا داخل المدن، وتزويد بعض هذه السيارات بزمامير ممائلة لسيارات الإسعاف لخلق الرهبة في نفوس المارين والسكان.
- استضافة بعض المعارضين في التلفزيون السوري، ويمكن استخدام التخجيل وشي من اللباقة معهم، فهذا يخفف مطالبهم ويحولها إلى مطالب بسيطة يطلبون من السيد الرئيس تقديمها لهم، كما لهذا الأمر فائدة في خلق شروخ داخل الرؤوس الحامية والمعادية في المعارضة.
- إصدار وزارة التربية لتعليمات مشددة وتحذيرات للمدارس والطلاب حول استخدام الفيسبووك.
- تكليف بعض الفنانين المعروفين بولائهم أو الممسوكين من قبلنا بالحديث مع مناطق الاحتجاج أو بالرد على المعارضين والمحتجين بحسب ما نضعه لهم.

العنصر الأمني والأداء الميداني:
- عدم التهاون في المس بالرمز الأعلى مهما كانت الأثمان، لأن ذلك إن تم السكوت عنه سيزيد من قدرة المعادين على تجاوز جميع الخطوط.
- يتوقع أن تكون تجمعات المعادين والمحتجين في أماكن الاكتظاظ السكاني من أجل لفت الانتباه وطمعا منهم في تشجيع الآخرين على الانضمام لهم، وهنا يجب محاصرة المكان قدر الإمكان والتغطية عليهم وإدخال عناصر أمنية بلباس مدني بين المحتجين لإثارة الخلاف بينهم وإفشال التجمع وفضه بأسرع وقت ممكن، وإذا اضطر الأمر اعتقال بعض العناصر الفاعلة المخربة بينهم.
- تكليف فرع المعلومات في الإدارة وفي مركز الأبحاث العلمية بالتعاون مع شبكتي المحمول بمراقبة جدية لخطوط الهواتف الأرضية والمحمولة لبعض الشخصيات المحرضة والمعادية المعروفة والمتوقعة.
- حالات استدعاء وجلب للشباب لخلق الرهبة والتردد عندهم بالمشاركة، واعتقال البعض منهم وإعلان تعبئة عامة في الجيش والقوات المسلحة لإرهاق الشباب والناشطين بمراجعة شعب التجنيد.
- إرهاق المعارضين والرموز بالدعاوى القضائية من جميع الأشكال وتشويه سمعتهم الأخلاقية والدينية، ويمكن استخدام وسائل معدة مسبقاً في هذا الشأن.
- عدم السماح بالسفر للشخصيات المؤثرة في المعارضة السورية في الداخل تحت أي ظرف كان.
- قيام فرع الأمن العسكري برقابة صارمة داخل الجيش والقوات المسلحة على القيادات المتوسطة والعليا، خاصة القيادات السنية.

- لدى حصول مواجهات بين عناصر الجيش والمحتجين والمعادين يجب إصدار أمر واضح بعدم إطلاق النار من قبل الجيش، ويبقى ذلك محصوراً بالعناصر الأمنية المدربة وعناصر الكتيبتين السرية والسوداء، واستخدام القناصة في الكتيبتين بشكل غير مكشوف لمنع تحديد مصدر إطلاق النار، وزيادة في التمويه لا بأس من قتل بعض عناصر وضباط الجيش، وهذا يفيد في استنفار عداء الجيش ضد المحتجين.

- أي مكان تخرج فيه الاحتجاجات العدائية عن السيطرة:
عزل المكان ومحاصرته بقوى الأمن والجيش، وقطع الكهرباء والاتصالات وشبكة الانترنت.
اعتقال بعض الشخصيات المؤثرة من هذا المكان، وإن كانت الظروف حرجة قتلها.
استخدام بعض المهربين والمجرمين وإغراق المكان بهم وخلق حالة من الفوضى
إدخال عناصر أمنية مدربة بلباس مدني ضمن منطقة الاحتجاج ومحاولاتهم إقناع المحتجين باستخدام السلاح ضد قوات الجيش والأمن
دخول قوات الأمن وعناصر الكتيبتين السرية والسوداء مع القناصين في حملات منظمة أثناء الاحتجاجات ولكن يجب ألا يزيد عدد القتلى عن عشرين في كل مرة، لأن ذلك قد يجعل الأمر مفضوحاً وقد يجر إلى حالة تدخل خارجية

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[Fred]

I consider myself Armenian, because I speak Armenian and my friends and my family are Armenians. I am Syrian at the same time, cause I lived most of my life here. I am probably the least nationalist in this forum, if you ask me something about Armenia, I can't answer, I don't even know who is the prime minister of Armenia or which party rules. I am telling you these just that no one gets any wrong idea about the nationalism, you can tell, that I don't belong to any nation, I am a world citizen

it's not about Syria only, where ever I go and live, nothing will change, I won't have any nationalistic feelings, I feel Armenian because I was raised in Armenian speaking family and friends, it's my mother language, and not because I see Armenia above Syria or any other nation.

I am part of this country, my opinion, Rami's or Gaith's count in the end in this country and the rest of 20 Millions, any other person's opinion, who doesn't have to do anything with this country, doesn't count. I don't mean opinions exactly thou, but interfering is what I am talking about.

Best thing is to forget it, like you said it. Cause I can't accept when someone tells me that Syria's future shouldn't interest me, and I shouldn't have a word or voting for Syria!

What do you say to the families of the 300 people that died in these events?

You know its part of the Arab culture to glorify their leaders, we have this sort of follower culture, so sometimes people blindly love their leaders even if those leaders oppress them. I'm never surprised when i see Arabs defending dictators. You're not an Arab, and as far as i can tell from your posts on the forum in general you don't really have that mentality. Frankly i'm surprised that you aren't strongly against Bashar. If you hadn't told me your opinion and i had to guess it, i would have expected you to be against Bashar more than anyone else.

Unless your argument is that you believe, that the only other alternative to Bashar is an Islamist government that will oppress minorities(despite Bashar oppressing minorities such as Kurds as well), then thats another case. But i really doubt that is true.

 

[Snoop]

What do you say to the families of the 300 people that died in these events?

You know its part of the Arab culture to glorify their leaders, we have this sort of follower culture, so sometimes people blindly love their leaders even if those leaders oppress them. I'm never surprised when i see Arabs defending dictators. You're not an Arab, and as far as i can tell from your posts on the forum in general you don't really have that mentality. Frankly i'm surprised that you aren't strongly against Bashar. If you hadn't told me your opinion and i had to guess it, i would have expected you to be against Bashar more than anyone else.

Unless your argument is that you believe, that the only other alternative to Bashar is an Islamist government that will oppress minorities(despite Bashar oppressing minorities such as Kurds as well), then thats another case. But i really doubt that is true.

If you had followed my posts in the forum (not just this thread) from the very first day that I joined here, you would have noticed that I always talked against the government and secret agents, made fun of them all the time.

The alternative is indeed an Islamist regime, and the born of the brotherhood. I witness those kind of people's hate all the time, they will interfere with our lives and look at us as infidels, not just that, they will ban many things here, and make this place backwarded..

The moment I see an opposition, that their aim is to make this country more civilized and modern, you will see me support them, only an idiot would refuse something like that.

As much as I hate the lifestyles of some of the victims, or as much as I opposed on what they wanted, I absolutely feel sorry for them and their families. What were you thinking? That I will celebrate their death? I feel terrible when I see a dead animal lying on the street, so imagine how I will feel if it was a human, no matter where that human belongs to or whatever he thinks..

I am glad you admitted that Arabs (and Muslims too btw) love to worship leaders, and follow them blindly no matter what they do, and I am glad your brought this up! You think it doesn't drive me crazy to see people here go with "bl roh bl dam" 24/7? It's not the leaders only, you exaggerate and do worship your prophet too, right? you have to admit that too. This is my problem with religions, one shouldn't exaggerate with religions, that action is dangerous.

People need to focus on educating/modernizing themselves, with reading books, having arguments about these civilizations, instead they pray 24/7 and let life goes on without doing anything useful. Something happens they go with "Allah ou akbar", they go to demonstrations with " allah u akbar" when someone dies "allah ou akbar" when they beat someones "allah ou akbar" for fuck sake even when they are on tv a footballer for example instead of saying hello or good evening they go with "bismillah il rahman il rahim". you know what I hated most? when someone was shot on the demonstrations, they were all "allah ou akbar, la ilaha illalah" and carrying the injured person with all that madness in a very wrong way, while you know very well when a person is injured, you see how the ambulance comes and you see how the professionals carry them, cause any wrong move could kill the patient.

You might think I went off topic with all these, but if the people are not civilized, and are not educated, and instead they live their lives like people were in stone age, then they don't have the right to ask anything, cause nothing will change, an Islamist regime will only make it worse..

Just to tell you something, so that you might think about this subject more, or will try to look at it from my view, take Turkey's example. You are aware how many decades Ataturk and his party ruled Turkey with dictatorship, no? If he didn't, Turkey wouldn't be this good today. and now that an extremist is on the rule now, it's going backwarded again..

 

[Azzurri7]

You might think I went off topic with all these, but if the people are not civilized, and are not educated, and instead they live their lives like people were in stone age, then they don't have the right to ask anything, cause nothing will change, an Islamist regime will only make it worse..

But how do you expect them to be civilized/modernized/educated and all this if the regime itself isn't giving anyone free of choice, your rights of thinking, your rights of doubting and judging this and that, everything is controlled, from press to your telephone number to your neighbors.

I know I can't be civilized and educated in these circumstances.

You're right concerning several things looking at your post but keeping the regime will never bring you the civilization you're asking for.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Just to tell you something, so that you might think about this subject more, or will try to look at it from my view, take Turkey's example. You are aware how many decades Ataturk and his party ruled Turkey with dictatorship, no? If he didn't, Turkey wouldn't be this good today. and now that an extremist is on the rule now, it's going backwarded again..

It's all good for israel but i just can't see what's good about being a third class citizen and treated like blacks in apartheid in your own country. This is hypocrisy. It would have been disaster if a Muslim come to power by force in Paris and use Sheria but it's all good when a Jewish dictator come to power in 1000 years old Muslim country and massacre 10000 because they don't wear hat.

 

[Snoop]

But how do you expect them to be civilized/modernized/educated and all this if the regime itself isn't giving anyone free of choice, your rights of thinking, your rights of doubting and judging this and that, everything is controlled, from press to your telephone number to your neighbors.

I know I can't be civilized and educated in these circumstances.

You're right concerning several things looking at your post but keeping the regime will never bring you the civilization you're asking for.

It's not as terrible as you are seeing it. Not everything is controlled by the government, and plus there is something called internet, and it exists for more than a decade. Everyone has the access to everything. yet I don't see them open-minded, or see them try to educate themselves a bit! Expecting everything from the government is just lame. Instead of eating mhshi and kababs everyday, they could get a book, or do something useful instead no? They have that choice, you know?

It's all good for israel but i just can't see what's good about being a third class citizen and treated like blacks in apartheid in your own country. This is hypocrisy. It would have been disaster if a Muslim come to power by force in Paris and use Sheria but it's all good when a Jewish dictator come to power in 1000 years old Muslim country and massacre 10000 because they don't wear hat.

First time I hear someone calls Ataturk a Jew I would understand if you called him Greek, since he was born and lived there until he was ten, or usually some people call Armenians, to someone they hate "bunun anasi kesin Ermeni ".

You definitely know more about him than I do, but you have to admit that what he did was good for the country in the end, with leaving the details aside, you have a beautiful and successful country, many Muslim countries take you as a good example, and try to be like yours. You owe this to him.

Sizin meselede baya ciddi ha, Arablardan daha fena, bigun cok fena kapisicaksiniz, oyle gorunuyor..

 

[Azzurri7]

My whole point was, how can you expect people to change mentally when they have a dictatorship?

I don't want extremist religious people too, just like you, but I refuse to believe that it's the only choice the Syrian have if they vanish their current regime.

 

[RAMI-N]

My whole point was, how can you expect people to change mentally when they have a dictatorship?

I don't want extremist religious people too, just like you, but I refuse to believe that it's the only choice the Syrian have if they vanish their current regime.

Have you seen where all the protests started from?

 

[Azzurri7]

Have you seen where all the protests started from?

I'll have to answer your question with a question...(though it's not fair)

Are you aware that the Syrian secret service are playing the religious card more than the extremists themselves? Scaring the Christians and Druz from Sunni's? Playing the sects cards is their only chance.

 

[RAMI-N]

I'll have to answer your question with a question...(though it's not fair)

Are you aware that the Syrian secret service are playing the religious card more than the extremists themselves? Scaring the Christians and Druz from Sunni's? Playing the sects cards is their only chance.

Are you?
The majority of Sunnis in Syria has been calling for a long time for an Islami state. That's I am sure of.

 

[Snoop]

My whole point was, how can you expect people to change mentally when they have a dictatorship?

I don't want extremist religious people too, just like you, but I refuse to believe that it's the only choice the Syrian have if they vanish their current regime.

Me, Rami and Gaith were born and raised in the same country too. and it's not because we all are rich people, I know a lot of poor people who are educated and open minded, and I know a lot of rich ones who live like animals.

 

[Azzurri7]

Snoop, you come from Armenian family which is different a lot.
Rami, if I'm not mistaken has been abroad in Germany and some other country if I re-call.
Ghaith, Bashar's secret service are around his home door waiting for a small mistake

 

[RAMI-N]

Snoop, you come from Armenian family which is different a lot.
Rami, if I'm not mistaken has been abroad in Germany and some other country if I re-call.
Ghaith, Bashar's secret service are around his home door waiting for a small mistake

Germany and Japan. But I lived in Syria till 2001

 

[Snoop]

Snoop, you come from Armenian family which is different a lot.
Rami, if I'm not mistaken has been abroad in Germany and some other country if I re-call.
Ghaith, Bashar's secret service are around his home door waiting for a small mistake

3ab yaklou bizir taht beton, when you see bizir thrown on the ground, then it means the agents were just there

 

[Azzurri7]

 

[RAMI-N]

3ab yaklou bizir taht beton, when you see bizir thrown on the ground, then it means the agents were just there

 

[Snoop]

Imagine if I am making these jokes, and my pictures are everywhere, and one of the secret agents is a Juve fan and discovered this forum

I am suspecting of Ghaith thou, he is very quiet, I bet the bastard is collecting info about me

 

[Azzurri7]

What to collect. You've never posted your picture. You don't exist man. Sometimes I think you're dual account.

 

[Snoop]

What to collect. You've never posted your picture. You don't exist man. Sometimes I think you're dual account.

fuck off, I posted my toes, and girls loved them, you are just jealous for that

 

[Azzurri7]

It was like we found diamond over here, everyone was like, OMG this is Snoop's toes, he exists