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Fred

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It will take a very long time and many more people will be killed, but the regime will leave in the end. Nothing will go back to normal as if nothing took place.

This will be affected so much by the developments on the Libyan front, I think.
The thing is i just don't see the regime leaving as a result of civil disobedience, people have been protesting for months, and while i laud their unbelievable courage, nothing much has happened to the regime, no major defections, no signs of weakness, no signs of them crumbling from within or anything like that. Until now there has been no indication that the Syrian regime will leave anytime soon. At the same time, the Syrian people are showing no indication of giving up anytime soon, the protesters are getting more and more despite the thousands of arrests and deaths. But its been nothing but a stalemate for all this time, it really is frustrating and worrying.
 
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    The thing is i just don't see the regime leaving as a result of civil disobedience, people have been protesting for months, and while i laud their unbelievable courage, nothing much has happened to the regime, no major defections, no signs of weakness, no signs of them crumbling from within or anything like that. Until now there has been no indication that the Syrian regime will leave anytime soon. At the same time, the Syrian people are showing no indication of giving up anytime soon, the protesters are getting more and more despite the thousands of arrests and deaths. But its been nothing but a stalemate for all this time, it really is frustrating and worrying.
    That is why I said it will take a very long time, but I think people will prevail in the end.
     

    Fred

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    I really hope so. The joy of liberating Libya will not be complete without Syria's liberation for me. Because i know unlike other countries, their regime is pretty much as terrible as ours, its why i can relate more to them.
     
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    ReBeL

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    I really hope so. The joy of liberating Libya will not be complete without Syria's liberation for me. Because i know unlike other countries, their regime is pretty much as terrible as ours, its why i can relate more to them.
    The same here. I want the best to Syrian people. I hope they will get rid of this criminal soon.
     
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    Syria unrest: 'They are shooting anything that moves'


    Renewed heavy gunfire has been reported in the Syrian port city of Latakia as a military crackdown on unrest entered a third day.

    Activists say dozens of people have died and that residents, including women and children, have been fired on by troops.

    The BBC spoke to one activist based in Damascus who said government forces were firing on "anything that moves" as they bombard their opponents "city by city".

    He is named as Alexander Page, but his real identity has been concealed for his safety.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14526052
     

    king Ale

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    What do you mean Hoori?
    I mean it wasn't worth it. Syrian people don't seem to know what they want, they just know what they don't want and it is not enough. They were/are not fully prepared to change a regime. When you are bound to fight with empty hands, you must have a big cause, a bigger preparation and an even bigger solution.

    When I said it must have stopped long ago, I didn't mean 50 years ago. It must have stopped when people saw that the government was to kill the protesters. I'm not belittling the bravery that Syrian people have shown but people are of bigger use when alive especially when there's no clear alternative available.
     
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    ReBeL

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    I mean it wasn't worth it. Syrian people don't seem to know what they want, they just know what they don't want and it is not enough. They were/are not fully prepared to change a regime. When you are bound to fight with empty hands, you must have a big cause, a bigger preparation and an even bigger solution.

    When I said it must have stopped long ago, I didn't mean 50 years ago. It must have stopped when people saw that the government was to kill the protesters. I'm not belittling the bravery that Syrian people have shown but people are of bigger use when alive especially when there's no clear alternative available.
    So, according to that logic, people should live under oppression and corruption all their lives because they will be killed if they say "No". Is that what you are saying?
     

    king Ale

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    So, according to that logic, people should live under oppression and corruption all their lives because they will be killed if they say "No". Is that what you are saying?
    No. People themselves are to blame if they are oppressed/living in a corrupted environment. They must be educated so that they could look for peaceful ways to make reformations. It could take decades but that's the only way to stably change the conditions for better.

    It just logically doesn't sound right to overthrow a tyranny overnight and expect democracy to prevail in the society. For having a democratic state you first need people who are ready to accept democracy. People who have been living under a dictatorship for many years (all/most of their lives) cannot be ready in a few days/months/years. It'll be more likely to turn into an even bigger dictatorship. Just my opinion.
     

    Fred

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    I mean it wasn't worth it. Syrian people don't seem to know what they want, they just know what they don't want and it is not enough. They were/are not fully prepared to change a regime. When you are bound to fight with empty hands, you must have a big cause, a bigger preparation and an even bigger solution.

    When I said it must have stopped long ago, I didn't mean 50 years ago. It must have stopped when people saw that the government was to kill the protesters. I'm not belittling the bravery that Syrian people have shown but people are of bigger use when alive especially when there's no clear alternative available.
    People know their government Hoori, they knew from the get go that the government will kill protesters. Its obvious, and the Libya precedent makes it even more obvious. These opportunities are a once in a lifetime thing, the Arab spring made people believe they can change their governments that have been here forever, yes they may not have a plan, but also the opportunity may not present itself again.
     

    Fred

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    No. People themselves are to blame if they are oppressed/living in a corrupted environment. They must be educated so that they could look for peaceful ways to make reformations. It could take decades but that's the only way to stably change the conditions for better.

    It just logically doesn't sound right to overthrow a tyranny overnight and expect democracy to prevail in the society. For having a democratic state you first need people who are ready to accept democracy. People who have been living under a dictatorship for many years (all/most of their lives) cannot be ready in a few days/months/years. It'll be more likely to turn into an even bigger dictatorship. Just my opinion.
    Libya will prove you wrong. We're already making the right steps, the liberated parts of Libya are starting to make political parties, theres a freedom of press, there are privately owned newspapers everywhere, there are privately owned news agencies etc. The indications are very promising, and as soon as Gedaffi is removed it will move to the whole country i hope and not just Benghazi. Then nobody has an excuse to say that Syria can't have a democracy too.
     
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    ReBeL

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    No. People themselves are to blame if they are oppressed/living in a corrupted environment. They must be educated so that they could look for peaceful ways to make reformations. It could take decades but that's the only way to stably change the conditions for better.

    It just logically doesn't sound right to overthrow a tyranny overnight and expect democracy to prevail in the society. For having a democratic state you first need people who are ready to accept democracy. People who have been living under a dictatorship for many years (all/most of their lives) cannot be ready in a few days/months/years. It'll be more likely to turn into an even bigger dictatorship. Just my opinion.
    Ok, let's make it simple.

    You know that Syria is consisted of 22 million people.

    More than 16 millions of them are forbidden from taking part in anything that have an impact in the whole country.

    If you are one of those, what can you do to make your life better and to make the whole country better?
     

    Azzurri7

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    I mean it wasn't worth it. Syrian people don't seem to know what they want, they just know what they don't want and it is not enough. They were/are not fully prepared to change a regime. When you are bound to fight with empty hands, you must have a big cause, a bigger preparation and an even bigger solution.
    Talk is easy Hoori. You have no idea how it is there.

    It's impossible to prepare for something big in Syria. You don't know how it is there, their secret services is the worst in the region and the toughest. So it's only natural to start a revolution with empty hands and surprise them. Otherwise, any preparation wouldn't last more than few hours there.
     

    Fred

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    Exactly Rab, and that is why i said they had to ride the wave, they probably wouldn't have had another chance. Lets not forget, Hama in 82, they knew how the Syrian regime would react, yet they took that risk because opportunities like this don't come along all the time.
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    No. People themselves are to blame if they are oppressed/living in a corrupted environment. They must be educated so that they could look for peaceful ways to make reformations. It could take decades but that's the only way to stably change the conditions for better.

    It just logically doesn't sound right to overthrow a tyranny overnight and expect democracy to prevail in the society. For having a democratic state you first need people who are ready to accept democracy. People who have been living under a dictatorship for many years (all/most of their lives) cannot be ready in a few days/months/years. It'll be more likely to turn into an even bigger dictatorship. Just my opinion.
    i'm sorry but you're making way too much sense here... again :D
     

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