Surprise visit from Pessotto! (10 Viewers)

[peckface]

Aside from Pessotto, what do you guys think of people who tries to commite suicide? For me it's really the worst, most cowardly, selfish thing a man can do.

Doesn't mean I've stopped respecting the man, but I feel disgust for what he did.

Does he have any kids btw?

 

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[Jem83]

He does, yes

As for suicides, I think it's wrong to treat the phenomena in general terms. Each individual is unique and a very complex structure..
One has to treat each case individually and make an attempt to understand. I'm sure there are much more to these things than outsiders are able to grasp, even though attention-seeking might sometimes be one of the reasons for commiting suicide. I just don't believe that a need for attention alone can trigger the self-destruction button.

 

[peckface]

He does, yes

As for suicides, I think it's wrong to treat the phenomena in general terms. Each individual is unique and a very complex structure..
One has to treat each case individually and make an attempt to understand. I'm sure there are much more to these things than outsiders are able to grasp, even though attention-seeking might sometimes be one of the reasons for commiting suicide. I just don't believe that a need for attention alone can trigger the self-destruction button.

Yeah I know where you're on about. I'm always trying to respect that people just are the way they are. Like for example a kid whose to lazy to go to school or people who lie a lot. It's easy to judge not being in their situation while being different. It's just the way they work.

But still, suicide. Such complete disregard for your beloveds feelings and I have hard to see how a good man can do such a thing to everyone around him.

 

[Jem83]

Yeah I know where you're on about. I'm always trying to respect that people just are the way they are. Like for example a kid whose to lazy to go to school or people who lie a lot. It's easy to judge not being in their situation while being different. It's just the way they work.

But still, suicide. Such complete disregard for your beloveds feelings and I have hard to see how a good man can do such a thing to everyone around him.

Well, not all philosophers and scientists (if their works make any difference) have believed our nature to be entirely good. Some, like Hobbes, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche - yes, even the Marquis de sade (sorry for bringing this insane person up) - have tried their very best to systematize our self centred natures and our 'in war with everything and everyone' mindsets.

Could it be that people with severe depression have a tendency to become more self centred, simply because of the very fact that their very lives are threatened?

It makes sense to me.

You see, their lives are threatened by the worst enemy you could ever have, which is Yourself.

Envision an invader going to war with another country. The sucidal person fights every second with an invader as such, but he comes in the form of negative thoughts. Like parasites feeding on flesh, negativity keeps taring apart a person's self confidence and self worth until there is nothing left!

This doesn't sound easy if you ask me..

Are we to call such people cowards if they go over the edge and kill themselves?

 

[peckface]

Well, not all philosophers and scientists (if their works make any difference) have believed our nature to be entirely good. Some, like Hobbes, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche - yes, even the Marquis de sade (sorry for bringing this insane person up) - have tried their very best to systematize our self centred natures and our 'in war with everything and everyone' mindsets.

Could it be that people with severe depression have a tendency to become more self centred, simply because of the very fact that their very lives are threatened?

It makes sense to me.

You see, their lives are threatened by the worst enemy you could ever have, which is Yourself.

Envision an invader going to war with another country. The sucidal person fights every second with an invader as such, but he comes in the form of negative thoughts. Like parasites feeding on flesh, negativity keeps taring apart a person's self confidence and self worth until there is nothing left!

This doesn't sound easy if you ask me..

Are we to call such people cowards if they go over the edge and kill themselves?

Wow that is some solid points right there.

The self-centred part is really interesting. But it is really, really a tragedy if one become so self-centred he forget about those he love or block them out.

The thing is I didn't know Pessotto was a guy who suffered from severed depression. When did it start? You seem well read on the subject, doesn't depression go back to an incident in most cases? Or I at least have always connected it with bad confidence.


Feels kind of odd thing to have as a proffesional sportsman, even if I think I've heared about it many times before.

 

[Jem83]

Wow that is some solid points right there.

The self-centred part is really interesting. But it is really, really a tragedy if one become so self-centred he forget about those he love or block them out.

The thing is I didn't know Pessotto was a guy who suffered from severed depression. When did it start? You seem well read on the subject, doesn't depression go back to an incident in most cases? Or I at least have always connected it with bad confidence.


Feels kind of odd thing to have as a proffesional sportsman, even if I think I've heared about it many times before.

Everyone experiences depression a few times during their lifespan, but it is also possible to have a depressive personality type, such as those of us unfortunate enough to be schizoids or bi-polar. I'm not 100% certain about Pessotto's "mental history" but news came out after it happened that he had been struggling with serious depression for a long time..

I agree that becoming so self-centred that you shut everyone out is a tragedy, but I'm just totally convinced that - in severe cases - the sufferer is not in control of his or her own situation.

 

[peckface]

Everyone experiences depression a few times during their lifespan, but it is also possible to have a depressive personality type, such as those of us unfortunate enough to be schizoids or bi-polar. I'm not 100% certain about Pessotto's "mental history" but news came out after it happened that he had been struggling with serious depression for a long time..

I agree that becoming so self-centred that you shut everyone out is a tragedy, but I'm just totally convinced that - in severe cases - the sufferer is not in control of his or her own situation.

Heheh you've had me convinced.

So I am either going to think that Pessotto was under severe depression and wish him the best, or that he was simply to weak under a temp depo and feel sorry for him.

 

[Jem83]

Very good! You're free to go now

 

[peckface]

I will.

 

[swag]

Everybody has their own demons. We can judge for ourselves. But none of us really knows what somebody else goes through in their mind -- particularly when none of it is any good.

 

[del pietro]

i dunno if we'll ever find out what was going through Pesso's mind.. maybe he might say something later on over the years, maybe he won't... I'm just glad he's back where he belongs!
Forza Pesso!

 

[Omair]

Forza Pesso .. I don't care if he was mentally ill ... he's fine now and he'll get back to the right track soon ... just stand by his side ...

 

[«ƒÕ®zå JüV€»]

great to hear pessotto is back and recovering
it was a pretty good surprise!

 

[vletrmx]

ROME - The wife of the Juventus team manager who fell from a window at team headquarters insists her husband blacked out and wasn’t attempting suicide.

Gianluca Pessotto sustained multiple fractures June 27. He was released from the hospital Sept. 5 and is recovering at a clinic.

Italian media described the fall as a suicide attempt and said Pessotto was depressed. A game-fixing scandal — with Juventus figuring prominently — was engulfing Italian soccer at the time, although Pessotto was not implicated.




“He didn’t want to jump out. The doctors explained to me that it was a blackout,” wife Reana Pessotto told Donna Moderna magazine in a story to be published Thursday. “Something disconnected in his mind that morning. If he was lucid, he would never have done it.”

This was her first interview since her husband’s fall, and excerpts were released Wednesday.

“He would never have left the children,” she said. “Even he isn’t able to comprehend how it happened. He doesn’t remember anything from that day. The police and fire department reports say he slipped.”

Reana Pessotto said her husband was not suffering from depression.


“He went to a psychologist like a lot of other people with stressful jobs that are under the spotlight,” she said. “He needed support. Evidently, under his calm and evenhanded demeanor, there was a vulnerable part.”

Pessotto, a former Juventus and Italy player, made a surprise visit in his wheelchair to the team’s headquarters Friday.

 

[Marc]

ROME - The wife of the Juventus team manager who fell from a window at team headquarters insists her husband blacked out and wasn’t attempting suicide.

Gianluca Pessotto sustained multiple fractures June 27. He was released from the hospital Sept. 5 and is recovering at a clinic.

Italian media described the fall as a suicide attempt and said Pessotto was depressed. A game-fixing scandal — with Juventus figuring prominently — was engulfing Italian soccer at the time, although Pessotto was not implicated.




“He didn’t want to jump out. The doctors explained to me that it was a blackout,” wife Reana Pessotto told Donna Moderna magazine in a story to be published Thursday. “Something disconnected in his mind that morning. If he was lucid, he would never have done it.”

This was her first interview since her husband’s fall, and excerpts were released Wednesday.

“He would never have left the children,” she said. “Even he isn’t able to comprehend how it happened. He doesn’t remember anything from that day. The police and fire department reports say he slipped.”

Reana Pessotto said her husband was not suffering from depression.


“He went to a psychologist like a lot of other people with stressful jobs that are under the spotlight,” she said. “He needed support. Evidently, under his calm and evenhanded demeanor, there was a vulnerable part.”

Pessotto, a former Juventus and Italy player, made a surprise visit in his wheelchair to the team’s headquarters Friday.

Everything is possible, such calm and quite persons eventually have an "implosion", one thing I am interested is he still going to be Team Manager and is he capable of that?

 

[AngelaL]

ROME - The wife of the Juventus team manager who fell from a window at team headquarters insists her husband blacked out and wasn’t attempting suicide.
Gianluca Pessotto sustained multiple fractures June 27. He was released from the hospital Sept. 5 and is recovering at a clinic.

Italian media described the fall as a suicide attempt and said Pessotto was depressed. A game-fixing scandal — with Juventus figuring prominently — was engulfing Italian soccer at the time, although Pessotto was not implicated.

“He didn’t want to jump out. The doctors explained to me that it was a blackout,” wife Reana Pessotto told Donna Moderna magazine in a story to be published Thursday. “Something disconnected in his mind that morning. If he was lucid, he would never have done it.”

This was her first interview since her husband’s fall, and excerpts were released Wednesday.

“He would never have left the children,” she said. “Even he isn’t able to comprehend how it happened. He doesn’t remember anything from that day. The police and fire department reports say he slipped.”

Reana Pessotto said her husband was not suffering from depression.

“He went to a psychologist like a lot of other people with stressful jobs that are under the spotlight,” she said. “He needed support. Evidently, under his calm and evenhanded demeanor, there was a vulnerable part.”

Pessotto, a former Juventus and Italy player, made a surprise visit in his wheelchair to the team’s headquarters Friday.

A blackout!?? Not impossible. It can happen when one is stressed. It happened to me once. I "fainted" on the way home from work one day. I had been covering a colleage's job as well as mine for sometime. I didn't realise that what had happened to me was due to work related stress until after the event. But, if this was true in Pesso's case, why was he holding his rosary?
Never mind! It doesn't matter whether it was a blackout or a suicide attempt, Pesso is getting better, & that's what counts!