Summer mercato thread 2022-23 season (21 Viewers)

[DanielSz]

camavinga had 2 seasons as a starter for rennes, played some international games and shit. iirc he even was selected for the euros. dragusin's impressive carreer so far certainly compares. he deserves his spot next season, you convinced me with this example.

the French league isn’t even considered a major league, but good pivot, and avoidance of the question. And so what? Dragusin is starting in serie A currently. It’s ok, I remember when people laughed when I said Dragusin was good enough to play in serie A last year when he was in serie C. I don’t care about convincing anyone, just sit back and watch.

 

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[Bianconero81]

I do hope this Dragusin kid turns out to be awesome. For now, he is exactly where he needs to be. Another season on loan at a Serie A team while getting regular minutes, and we can begin to talk about bringing him back. Heck, if he impresses over the next 18-24 months, he might become a starter @ Juventus, with Chiellini retiring and De Ligt leaving.

 

[Robee]

jesus dude, please don't. rovella is easily the best player genoa have and it's not even his first season in serie a. he's way ahead of dragusin in his development and it's not even close.

btw dragusin already trained with the first team during last season. that experience made him ride the bench behind yoshida and colley lol. these guys need playtime above anything else.

btw who was the last player who broke into the first 11 of a big team by being the 5th choice for years? you can name any player from any team. if it's the best way to develop young players i'm sure you can come up with gazillions of examples.

And Rovella is not being brought in to play a fifth choice for a 2-man role. He'll probably be second in line for the regista role.

Dragusin was 19 last year and brought in under Pirlo's tutelage, quite the master of organising defences.
You're waving around, missing the entire point that those loan deals are useless. Many teams like to use their own players first unless there's fire under their ass like a threatening relegation. Either you have the talent or you don't. Verratti came from a fucking Serie B side to enter the PSG team... If Dragusin has the talent, he can play fifth choice now. If not, sell.

 

[DanielSz]

I think we need to focus on the next generation when it comes to our defense. Chiellini hasn’t been able to stay fit for years. Bonucci was one of the most durable players and now the injuries are starting to pile up, and it’s probably not gonna slow down as he gets older.

With MDL, Gatti, Dragusin, and even De Winter we have four CBs that fit the modern profile. Would suck to have to sacrifice some of them for the two old guys. We’ve already made that mistake with Romero and possibly Demiral. Let’s not do it again thanks.

 

[s4tch]

... missing the entire point that those loan deals are useless. Many teams like to use their own players first unless there's fire under their ass like a threatening relegation. Either you have the talent or you don't. Verratti came from a fucking Serie B side to enter the PSG team... If Dragusin has the talent, he can play fifth choice now. If not, sell.

i think i made myself clear enough already, but apparently i didn't. let's not bring verratti, kimmich and camavinga, or even de ligt or pogba (only a matter of time before either of you mention those) into this conversation, because it would paint a false image of dragusin. those guys were/are some of the hottest properties back in the days. let's not pretend dragusin is already the next sergio ramos. and let's not pretend like it's common practice for a serie b player to directly go to psg, like it happens every season.

the other argument neither of you get is that those mentioned already proved that they can deliver high level performances on a weekly basis. dragusin had a few okay performances and one good game and suddenly he's mentioned alongside camavinga.

and there's the uselessness of loans. i mean really? it's a common practice among the biggest clubs. ffs city just bought julian alvarez and left him at his current club for an other year and a half TO PLAY AND GROW. that's the whole point, some of those young guys are simple not ready despite being talented enough and need playtime more than anything else. imagine alvarez rotting in the bench with city's usual 3-4 attackers getting the majority of playtime.

if dragusin is good enough to be a fifth choice for juve then he's good enough to start for genoa, bologna or sassuolo. (he wasn't good enough for samp, he's fine for salernitana atm.) you can debate what would be the best for him. i think he needs consistency. i even get if either of you think that he should be our direct chiellini replacement. but let's not twist my words and bring completely false arguments like camavinga's or verratti's completely different trajectories.

 

[Akshen]

for the left wing we should have a look at Kostic - one year left on contract and 29yo - should be cheap as fuck and this guy could actually play both as a winger and as a wing back. When u consider that we have Cuads on other side this is a possibility to play two formations - 433 and 352. Imo 352 would fit this squad like a glove, especially at the start of the season when Chiesa is still coming back from injury. When Chiesa comes back we could then play some variant of 352 like 343 or something like that. This has to be decided because if its standard 4 man defence next season then we should just move Cuads to the attack and look for an LB and RB.

 

[Amer]

I think we need to focus on the next generation when it comes to our defense. Chiellini hasn’t been able to stay fit for years. Bonucci was one of the most durable players and now the injuries are starting to pile up, and it’s probably not gonna slow down as he gets older.

With MDL, Gatti, Dragusin, and even De Winter we have four CBs that fit the modern profile. Would suck to have to sacrifice some of them for the two old guys. We’ve already made that mistake with Romero and possibly Demiral. Let’s not do it again thanks.

Even if just one of those turns out to be one of our 4 rotating CB's in the coming seasons, I would be happy.

 

[Robee]

i think i made myself clear enough already, but apparently i didn't. let's not bring verratti, kimmich and camavinga, or even de ligt or pogba (only a matter of time before either of you mention those) into this conversation, because it would paint a false image of dragusin. those guys were/are some of the hottest properties back in the days. let's not pretend dragusin is already the next sergio ramos. and let's not pretend like it's common practice for a serie b player to directly go to psg, like it happens every season.

the other argument neither of you get is that those mentioned already proved that they can deliver high level performances on a weekly basis. dragusin had a few okay performances and one good game and suddenly he's mentioned alongside camavinga.

and there's the uselessness of loans. i mean really? it's a common practice among the biggest clubs. ffs city just bought julian alvarez and left him at his current club for an other year and a half TO PLAY AND GROW. that's the whole point, some of those young guys are simple not ready despite being talented enough and need playtime more than anything else. imagine alvarez rotting in the bench with city's usual 3-4 attackers getting the majority of playtime.

if dragusin is good enough to be a fifth choice for juve then he's good enough to start for genoa, bologna or sassuolo. (he wasn't good enough for samp, he's fine for salernitana atm.) you can debate what would be the best for him. i think he needs consistency. i even get if either of you think that he should be our direct chiellini replacement. but let's not twist my words and bring completely false arguments like camavinga's or verratti's completely different trajectories.

I think you're still losing yourself in trying to ignore Dragusin will be 5th choice when naming Ramos etc.
Again: he might be good enough to start for them but they don't own him and therefor have nothing to gain in playing them.

So answer me this: which player who was out on loan for multiple years actually became a starter at Juve? If you're good enough, you're being brought in immediately like Marchisio.

 

[DanielSz]

Zaniolo entourage was in Turin Friday to meet with Juve

 

[Jäger]

Zaniolo entourage was in Turin Friday to meet with Juve

Seems like they're ready to move on from Dybala. Zaniolo is not a suitable replacement though. Trading one broken player for another who doesn't have anywhere near the same skillset as Dybala.

 

[U Picciriddu]

I think you're still losing yourself in trying to ignore Dragusin will be 5th choice when naming Ramos etc.
Again: he might be good enough to start for them but they don't own him and therefor have nothing to gain in playing them.

So answer me this: which player who was out on loan for multiple years actually became a starter at Juve? If you're good enough, you're being brought in immediately like Marchisio.

Spina, I remember that we regretted loaning him to Atalanta for two years.

But it’s useless to compare then with now. Many things have changed, and we should be able to profit from our primavera within max 2 years.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

and there's the uselessness of loans. i mean really? it's a common practice among the biggest clubs.

I heard something about UEFA putting a stop to the current loan system, supposedly quite soon already. So clubs would only be allowed to have a limited number of players under contract.
Do you know anything about that?

 

[U Picciriddu]

Zaniolo entourage was in Turin Friday to meet with Juve

Lol I actually dreamed this weekend that Allegri accidentally said during a press conference that we already signed Zaniolo for next year

 

[Robee]

Lol I actually dreamed this weekend that Allegri accidentally said during a press conference that we already signed Zaniolo for next year

A dream or a hallucination #LegaliseIt

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Spina, I remember that we regretted loaning him to Atalanta for two years.

But it’s useless to compare then with now. Many things have changed, and we should be able to profit from our primavera within max 2 years.

Good call, more than good enough although Spinazzola was a bench option behind Alex Sandro. Which is exactly what is wrong with our mindset. Give them a run and they'll progress. Don't and they won't make that step up in quality.

Speaking about Spina: a multiple years loan like from the offset makes it more interesting to field the player as well. These one year loan deals barely hold any positives for the team without option. I for one actually liked these co-ownership deals for that. Even if we made it way too numerous and complicated all the time.

 

[B3N]

Zaniolo entourage was in Turin Friday to meet with Juve

Good stuff. DDTS

 

[U Picciriddu]

A dream or a hallucination #LegaliseIt

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Good call, more than good enough although Spinazzola was a bench option behind Alex Sandro. Which is exactly what is wrong with our mindset. Give them a run and they'll progress. Don't and they won't make that step up in quality.

Speaking about Spina: a multiple years loan like from the offset makes it more interesting to field the player as well. These one year loan deals barely hold any positives for the team without option. I for one actually liked these co-ownership deals for that. Even if we made it way too numerous and complicated all the time.

In theory its a better construction, our judgement is horrible to and with Rovella and Spina we regret it on both of them.

 

[DanielSz]

Seems like they're ready to move on from Dybala. Zaniolo is not a suitable replacement though. Trading one broken player for another who doesn't have anywhere near the same skillset as Dybala.

could just be Kulu replacement. Berna is shopping around too.

 

[Xperd]

for the left wing we should have a look at Kostic - one year left on contract and 29yo - should be cheap as fuck and this guy could actually play both as a winger and as a wing back. When u consider that we have Cuads on other side this is a possibility to play two formations - 433 and 352. Imo 352 would fit this squad like a glove, especially at the start of the season when Chiesa is still coming back from injury. When Chiesa comes back we could then play some variant of 352 like 343 or something like that. This has to be decided because if its standard 4 man defence next season then we should just move Cuads to the attack and look for an LB and RB.

Unless we dump Dybala, any talk of getting wingers or playing a conventional 4-3-3 formation is out of question.

I hope sense prevails and he leaves. These hybrid/unbalanced formations have been killing us for years now.

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In theory its a better construction, our judgement is horrible to and with Rovella and Spina we regret it on both of them.

Spina is the Italian Ramsey. We dodged a bullet with him.

One Euro tournament isn't going to change anything. We were going to be as frustrated with him as we are with likes of Rabiot and Ramsey.

 

[Akshen]

Unless we dump Dybala, any talk of getting wingers or playing a conventional 4-3-3 formation is out of question.

I hope sense prevails and he leaves. These hybrid/unbalanced formations have been killing us for years now.

Well, with Cuads and Kostic on the wings 4231 could work too - both know how to defend. Could see us going with Kostic on LW and Chiesa on RW in 4231 or Chiesa on LW and Cuads on RW - one guy who knows how to defend more.
Other than that ur right - Dybala is a problem when it comes to the balance of the formation. There is also a bigger problem though - he looks like the only guy who can be a creative outlet in our squad.

 

[s4tch]

too bad sky are fairly unreliable. i need proof of this: