Summer mercato thread 2022-23 season (74 Viewers)
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really, that's the level? check chiellini's or bonbon's careers for reference. they had the perfect path to become starters for juventus, and even they found it very hard to adapt. i remember bonucci being shit for months in our unbeaten season, and chiellini was a fullback at first.
btw i do think dragusin can be fine in a couple of years. but there's no point in bringing him to juve so that he rides the bench at the age of 21. he's at a perfect place now as he only played 3 full matches for samp during the first half of the season, and already played 3 complete matches at salernitana in as many rounds.
btw i do think dragusin can be fine in a couple of years. but there's no point in bringing him to juve so that he rides the bench at the age of 21. he's at a perfect place now as he only played 3 full matches for samp during the first half of the season, and already played 3 complete matches at salernitana in as many rounds.
You truly have a memory of a goldfish if you're defending anything we saw last season. Sure, Pirlo attacked but it was also the most unorganized Juve I've ever witnessed, and I've seen some of the true dark days this club has gone through. Allegri brought back some of the balance we've been missing for well over 2 years now and I'd prefer giving him some time to sort the attack out as well rather than firing him and bringing in a 4th coach in 4 years as some of you are hoping for. As for Chiesa, let's not exgeggerate. He scored 9 goals in Serie A last season, a few good games this season would have brought him very close to that total.
Finally, let's just agree to disagree on Kulusevski then, who after a decent start has been complete garbage for over 1.5 years now. The guy will never ever be anything more than a mid-table player.
Finally, let's just agree to disagree on Kulusevski then, who after a decent start has been complete garbage for over 1.5 years now. The guy will never ever be anything more than a mid-table player.
Why would I use Bonucci as reference, he was in serie B at Dragusin’s age and wasn’t a regular for anyone in serie A until he was 22.
Chiellini is a better reference though. His first season getting real minutes in serie A was at Dragusin‘s age and then made 15 starts the next season for Juve. So using his timeline, Dragusin should be fine as a third stringer next year.
Chiellini is a better reference though. His first season getting real minutes in serie A was at Dragusin‘s age and then made 15 starts the next season for Juve. So using his timeline, Dragusin should be fine as a third stringer next year.
Players don't follow the same timeline, people develop at different rates mentally and physically. Just because someone has achieved something at a young age doesn't necessarily mean they will have a better career than someone else who had achieved less at the same age.
Barzagli was playing in Serie C1 and Serie B aged 21. Lorenzo Ariaudo had played for us in Seria A at a similar age. There are lots of examples of players in every league who break through early and have an underwhelming career, and others who come through later in their career with a lot of success.
While it is always encouraging to break through early and you clearly need to have shown some ability to get the opportunity, it doesn't mean that you will have a standout career or that there isn't a better player of the same age who hasn't come through yet.
Barzagli was playing in Serie C1 and Serie B aged 21. Lorenzo Ariaudo had played for us in Seria A at a similar age. There are lots of examples of players in every league who break through early and have an underwhelming career, and others who come through later in their career with a lot of success.
While it is always encouraging to break through early and you clearly need to have shown some ability to get the opportunity, it doesn't mean that you will have a standout career or that there isn't a better player of the same age who hasn't come through yet.
i don't give a shit about players' age. remember rugani who played a full season without being subbed? at that point he was twice the player dragusin is at the moment. and he still failed to establish himself as an undisputed starter for juve. dragusin is yet to prove his worth as a regular for a mid-table team, let alone juve.
again, age doesn't matter, experience, consistency and actual performances do. i'd take bremer over any other serie a defender at this point, and honestly i couldn't care less about his age. he's been playing for toro for 3-4 seasons, he gradually got better and better. imagine wanting him 3 years ago cause he had 5-6 acceptable games in a row and looked good vs some lolzilian youth players on youtube.
i think dragusin should gain experience for at least a full season for an other team. i have no idea about gatti, but if he ends up as a bargaining chip for bremer then his service will be much appreciated.
again, age doesn't matter, experience, consistency and actual performances do. i'd take bremer over any other serie a defender at this point, and honestly i couldn't care less about his age. he's been playing for toro for 3-4 seasons, he gradually got better and better. imagine wanting him 3 years ago cause he had 5-6 acceptable games in a row and looked good vs some lolzilian youth players on youtube.
i think dragusin should gain experience for at least a full season for an other team. i have no idea about gatti, but if he ends up as a bargaining chip for bremer then his service will be much appreciated.
well the original argument had more to do with Dragusin being “unproven“ and my question was how is he supposed to prove himself if he can’t even be a squad player? There’s all sorts of ways to develop players. Real Madrid has Camavinga and Valverde as squad players. Personally, I prefer the idea of a young talent getting to be a part time player at a big club before taking over more so than a young player playing regularly for a low level club. I don’t think the other way is wrong, I just like this way more. I’d rather Dragusin be at Juve next season, same with a couple of the other younger players. I think he will get more out of it than being a starter for some bottom feeder with no real pressure/expectations, especially when he’s already done it.
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Remember when Romero played a full season and he was sold without getting an opportunity to establish himself? He was twice the player Rugani was. Two can play this game.
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Remember when Romero played a full season and he was sold without getting an opportunity to establish himself? He was twice the player Rugani was. Two can play this game.
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Using your logic this club would have every young talent loaned out for multiple seasons at some bottom feeder for the sake of “experience” while all the “experienced” jabronis choke away season after season. I’m ok playing different games than you.
btw what experience would Dragusin get playing at some low level serie A club (that he isn’t already getting this season) that would prepare him for juventus exactly?
btw what experience would Dragusin get playing at some low level serie A club (that he isn’t already getting this season) that would prepare him for juventus exactly?
i'm talking about dragusin who failed to establish himself at relagation battlers sampdoria who rather played the mighty yoshida, colley duo. yeah he started 2 games lately because of yoshida's injury and colley playing the african cup but still was let go by samp easily.
for me dragusin proved nothing so far. he's big (see also kean and ogbonna, BIIIG guys), he looks like someone with a strong mentality, but as a player he looks raw to me. that's enough for you and it's all right. we'll see how max (or his successor) decides on him come summer.
for me dragusin proved nothing so far. he's big (see also kean and ogbonna, BIIIG guys), he looks like someone with a strong mentality, but as a player he looks raw to me. that's enough for you and it's all right. we'll see how max (or his successor) decides on him come summer.
He played pretty regularly for Sampdoria he just wasn’t a starter. He’s a starter now and just pocketed Leao and Giroud, two completely different players stylistically. He’s more than just a big guy, he was actually used mainly as a RB at Sampdoria. He will presumably start the rest of the season. His trajectory is up. It’s ok if you don’t see it now.
So by that logic we shouldn't bring in Rovella either. He's only a starter at a relegation battler.
A fifth choice like he would be if he replaces Rugani, should get enough minutes to rest some oldies without compromising anything. Training every day with those guys should be a valuable experience too.
We need a cheap option and we have one in the house, probably homegrown as well. Spend elsewhere and see if he has got the goods. If management doesn't think he does, sell asap. I'm tired of those endless loan deals. They rarely amount to anything.
A fifth choice like he would be if he replaces Rugani, should get enough minutes to rest some oldies without compromising anything. Training every day with those guys should be a valuable experience too.
We need a cheap option and we have one in the house, probably homegrown as well. Spend elsewhere and see if he has got the goods. If management doesn't think he does, sell asap. I'm tired of those endless loan deals. They rarely amount to anything.
jesus dude, please don't. rovella is easily the best player genoa have and it's not even his first season in serie a. he's way ahead of dragusin in his development and it's not even close.
btw dragusin already trained with the first team during last season. that experience made him ride the bench behind yoshida and colley lol. these guys need playtime above anything else.
btw who was the last player who broke into the first 11 of a big team by being the 5th choice for years? you can name any player from any team. if it's the best way to develop young players i'm sure you can come up with gazillions of examples.
btw dragusin already trained with the first team during last season. that experience made him ride the bench behind yoshida and colley lol. these guys need playtime above anything else.
btw who was the last player who broke into the first 11 of a big team by being the 5th choice for years? you can name any player from any team. if it's the best way to develop young players i'm sure you can come up with gazillions of examples.
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