Summer mercato thread 2022-23 season (188 Viewers)

[Powis]

He quit tuZ lol

Ditching Tuz to turn into a pundit on Twitter is a massive stepdown. They all lose their humbleness and humility they once had. Look at Hashim, he doesn't even tweet his old buddies back.

 

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[Jäger]

I have a feeling that Gatti will be used as a bargaining chip for Bremer in the summer

 

[bianconera_BG]

Do you take into consideration that the best players have the absolutely best medical care?

Good point about the mental part but it depends on the individual.

There have been plenty of examples of players coming back after such injuries. Arkadiusz Milik has also torn both of his ACLs and didn't have a relapse ever since.

What bothers me is that no one has mentioned

Of course, but medical care can only do so much. You can't predict when the body will break its limits.

When I studied those injuries I took two examples from the NBA - Derrick Rose and Shaun Livingston.

Rose had ACLs, and went on to have constant, recurring knee injuries in the following years to a higher or lesser extents.

Livingston on the other hand had probably the most devastating knee injury that I've heard of in any sport - his entire knee was completely destroyed (ACL, PCL, MCL, meniscus, patella and the joint of tibia and fibula) and many thought that he wouldn't even be able to walk normally anymore, let alone play basketball again. But he made an amazing recovery and what's even more amazing is that he didn't had significant knee problems anymore until the end of his career. Though his playing role became reduced and therefore the minutes he played.

I'm not saying that a player can't get back to the same level that he was on before the injury, but taking a player with such history is a real gamble that may or may not pay off.

 

[The Quazis]

Of course, but medical care can only do so much. You can't predict when the body will break its limits.

When I studied those injuries I took two examples from the NBA - Derrick Rose and Shaun Livingston.

Rose had ACLs, and went on to have constant, recurring knee injuries in the following years to a higher or lesser extents.

Livingston on the other hand had probably the most devastating knee injury that I've heard of in any sport - his entire knee was completely destroyed (ACL, PCL, MCL, meniscus, patella and the joint of tibia and fibula) and many thought that he wouldn't even be able to walk normally anymore, let alone play basketball again. But he made an amazing recovery and what's even more amazing is that he didn't had significant knee problems anymore until the end of his career. Though his playing role became reduced and therefore the minutes he played.

I'm not saying that a player can't get back to the same level that he was one before the injury, but taking a player with such history is a real gamble that may or may not pay off.

Thank you, very informative post.

Myself, I'd also think twice before signing Zaniolo. I love his style of play and the fact of him being Juventino makes it even more tempting. However, you never know how he's gonna be doing after those injuries and it is a serious concern for a big money move.

Let's just hope our Chiesa will come back strong as the injury never happened.

 

[DanielSz]

Zaniolo would be Dybala's replacement. In the games Ive watched this season, he's been playing as second striker. He's six years younger and will probably cost at least half wage wise.

 

[Bianconero81]

Of course, but medical care can only do so much. You can't predict when the body will break its limits.

When I studied those injuries I took two examples from the NBA - Derrick Rose and Shaun Livingston.

Rose had ACLs, and went on to have constant, recurring knee injuries in the following years to a higher or lesser extents.

Livingston on the other hand had probably the most devastating knee injury that I've heard of in any sport - his entire knee was completely destroyed (ACL, PCL, MCL, meniscus, patella and the joint of tibia and fibula) and many thought that he wouldn't even be able to walk normally anymore, let alone play basketball again. But he made an amazing recovery and what's even more amazing is that he didn't had significant knee problems anymore until the end of his career. Though his playing role became reduced and therefore the minutes he played.

I'm not saying that a player can't get back to the same level that he was on before the injury, but taking a player with such history is a real gamble that may or may not pay off.

If we're talking about the NBA, let's look at Kevin Durant, or more recently Klay Thompson. Durant has been playing at an MVP level this season, and Thompson is slowly regaining form.

Also, here's a list of NBA players who have recovered and gone on to have successful careers (this is from 2012, so I'm sure medicine has come a long way since then)

1.) Al Jefferson
2.) Baron Davies
3.) Kyle Lowry
4.) Jamal Crawford

Of course I am not debating what you're saying is true (after all, you're the expert), and yes the mental block and psychological impact is huge, but I believe an ACL tear is not all doom and gloom as it was 20 or so years ago.

 

[bianconera_BG]

If we're talking about the NBA, let's look at Kevin Durant, or more recently Klay Thompson. Durant has been playing at an MVP level this season, and Thompson is slowly regaining form.

Also, here's a list of NBA players who have recovered and gone on to have successful careers (this is from 2012, so I'm sure medicine has come a long way since then)


Of course I am not debating what you're saying is true (after all, you're the expert), and yes the mental block and psychological impact is huge, but I believe an ACL tear is not all doom and gloom as it was 20 or so years ago.

Of course not, that's why I took the examples of Rose and Livingston precisely.

Livingston had by far worse injury than Rose but went on to make a great recovery and basically was never injured again in that regard. While with Rose, who had "lesser"extent of an injury compared to him, it kept ocurring over the years.

It's really a mixture of both adequate medical treatment, post-injury management and the fact of how your body is structured/genetically prone to injuries and dealing with them. Especially after an injury has already occured once.

 

[Orgut]

Zaniolo would be Dybala's replacement. In the games Ive watched this season, he's been playing as second striker. He's six years younger and will probably cost at least half wage wise.

I worry he might play even less than Dybala with his injury record

 

[Bianconero81]

Of course not, that's why I took the examples of Rose and Livingston precisely.

Livingston had by far worse injury than Rose but went on to make a great recovery and basically was never injured again in that regard. While with Rose, who had "lesser"extent of an injury compared to him, it kept ocurring over the years.

It's really a mixture of both adequate medical treatment, post-injury management and the fact of how your body is structured/genetically prone to injuries and dealing with them. Especially after an injury has already occured once.

We have these butchers

 

[DanielSz]

I worry he might play even less than Dybala with his injury record

its an issue for sure. To his credit, it looks like he's taking his physical conditioning a lot more serious. He looks like a specimen these days.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Zaniolo would be Dybala's replacement. In the games Ive watched this season, he's been playing as second striker. He's six years younger and will probably cost at least half wage wise.

True but the transfer fee won't be small. Remember, we have to buy out Chiesa this Summer. I can't remember if Loca is to be bought this year or next.

Zaniolo played as a RM in 4231 at the beginning of the season and he didn't really look good IMO. In 352 next to Abraham he looks way better. Perhaps those injuries took the toll and he's not a winger anymore?

 

[JuveJay]

Zaniolo will eternally worry me as he is explosive and muscular, it's a bad combination for any player once they have either a serious knee or hamstring injury.

 

[DanielSz]

True but the transfer fee won't be small. Remember, we have to buy out Chiesa this Summer. I can't remember if Loca is to be bought this year or next.

Zaniolo played as a RM in 4231 at the beginning of the season and he didn't really look good IMO. In 352 next to Abraham he looks way better. Perhaps those injuries took the toll and he's not a winger anymore?

yeah im no expert on Zaniolo, I've only seen him a couple times, but he looks different physically. Maybe he sacrificed some pace for a more solid base.

 

[JuveJay]

True but the transfer fee won't be small. Remember, we have to buy out Chiesa this Summer. I can't remember if Loca is to be bought this year or next.

Zaniolo played as a RM in 4231 at the beginning of the season and he didn't really look good IMO. In 352 next to Abraham he looks way better. Perhaps those injuries took the toll and he's not a winger anymore?

Paratici still has to buy Rabiot off us yet for €30m.

 

[Karim30]

I want Zaniolo for 30m +/- if he continues this season without major injuries concerns I'd make an offer. If I remember correctly the relapse happened because he was rushed into returning but the second time around the approach was more cautious and imo it's paying off.

 

[LiquidPLP]

yeah im no expert on Zaniolo, I've only seen him a couple times, but he looks different physically. Maybe he sacrificed some pace for a more solid base.

I'm not an expert either but you can see he's not the same player anymore and that will happen to Chiesa too.

I'm afraid the mental block doesn't allow Zaniolo to go back to the same levels and it's impossible to blame him. He's still a player that stands out but he really looked frustrated on the wing whenever I saw him this season. He sure looks like he bulked up quite a bit, defenders don't have it easy at all with such a bloke. I just said I like him more in the middle now, which could point to SS/AM role that Dybala now has.

 

[IlCapitano]

https://www.goal.com/it/notizie/zan...i-sul-gioiello-della-roma/blt05c6ee5ea6deb87c


They like him very much, they will make decisions by the spring to go after him or not, but the feeling is it will be a serious name.

Mentions also that Allegri likes him a lot

 

[DanielSz]

I'm not an expert either but you can see he's not the same player anymore and that will happen to Chiesa too.

I'm afraid the mental block doesn't allow Zaniolo to go back to the same levels and it's impossible to blame him. He's still a player that stands out but he really looked frustrated on the wing whenever I saw him this season. He sure looks like he bulked up quite a bit, defenders don't have it easy at all with such a bloke. I just said I like him more in the middle now, which could point to SS/AM role that Dybala now has.

yeah I think he would pair well with Vlahovic, but so would Dybala. If we lose Dybala he would be a pretty good replacement. I might prefer Raspadori though, just because he would fit better with Chiesa

 

[JuveJay]

https://www.goal.com/it/notizie/zan...i-sul-gioiello-della-roma/blt05c6ee5ea6deb87c


They like him very much, they will make decisions by the spring to go after him or not, but the feeling is it will be a serious name.

Mentions also that Allegri likes him a lot

The biggest draw here which shouldn't be forgotten is that Zaniolo is/was juventino.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Could see a transfer like that ending in a low fee (~20m) with appearance based bonuses that could add up. Would make sense from our side.