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Re: Neymar and how he would fit with CR7, I put something together comparing Neymar, Dybala, and CR7.
A few things are clear:
In a 4-3-3, Dybala is utter crap. Whether he plays wing or centrally, he has performed badly. Despite consensus here than Dybala played mostly as a CAM, in fact, he played more games last year as a CF in a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo. He also played a few games on the RW. He average .44 in total production in that formation. Ronaldo and Neymar can both play in a central role or in a wide role of a 4-3-3, and put up fairly similar. Neymar as a false 9 in Barcelona put up an 6 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in that position when Messi was injured in 13/14. CR7 put up similar performance whether playing centrally or wide left.
In a front 2, Dybala thrives with .82 in production per game. This includes his times playing there this past season, the 4-2-3-1 of 2 years ago, but not that of 3 years ago because he played more like an AM since Mandzukic was on the LW. 2 years ago it was mostly actual wingers and he played closer to Higuain. CR7 & Neymar both produce at similar levels in a front 2, but Neymar scores more.
As an attacking mid, Neymar was very good but only played 3 games. Dybala is bad generally. He is better in a 4-2-3-1 because there are fewer attackers, but if he is playing behind 2 scorers, he basically doesn't produce at all.
2 Conclusions:
if by some miracle we actually do get Neymar, he will work with Cristiano. They can freely interchange between central and left positions, and both will be effective. With Dybala, it looks like we'd be better off with a 4-3-1-2 with Dybala as a striker. A 4-3-3 with Dybala playing centrally looks challenging unless Sarri's system can bring out something unseen before.
A few things are clear:
In a 4-3-3, Dybala is utter crap. Whether he plays wing or centrally, he has performed badly. Despite consensus here than Dybala played mostly as a CAM, in fact, he played more games last year as a CF in a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo. He also played a few games on the RW. He average .44 in total production in that formation. Ronaldo and Neymar can both play in a central role or in a wide role of a 4-3-3, and put up fairly similar. Neymar as a false 9 in Barcelona put up an 6 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in that position when Messi was injured in 13/14. CR7 put up similar performance whether playing centrally or wide left.
In a front 2, Dybala thrives with .82 in production per game. This includes his times playing there this past season, the 4-2-3-1 of 2 years ago, but not that of 3 years ago because he played more like an AM since Mandzukic was on the LW. 2 years ago it was mostly actual wingers and he played closer to Higuain. CR7 & Neymar both produce at similar levels in a front 2, but Neymar scores more.
As an attacking mid, Neymar was very good but only played 3 games. Dybala is bad generally. He is better in a 4-2-3-1 because there are fewer attackers, but if he is playing behind 2 scorers, he basically doesn't produce at all.
2 Conclusions:
if by some miracle we actually do get Neymar, he will work with Cristiano. They can freely interchange between central and left positions, and both will be effective. With Dybala, it looks like we'd be better off with a 4-3-1-2 with Dybala as a striker. A 4-3-3 with Dybala playing centrally looks challenging unless Sarri's system can bring out something unseen before.
Ramsey is gonna be on and off the injured list all season, like always. That means our only addition to the biggest weakness was Rabiot. Emre Can should be starting over Khedira, and honestly should be playing in the middle, and Matuidi shouldn’t even be on the roster.
Why does Paratici/Marotta/Agnelli/Nedved refuse to properly address it? Why did they spend 75m on De Ligt? You think an Italian manager is going to bench another Italian for him? Hahaha.
Why does Paratici/Marotta/Agnelli/Nedved refuse to properly address it? Why did they spend 75m on De Ligt? You think an Italian manager is going to bench another Italian for him? Hahaha.
Re: Neymar and how he would fit with CR7, I put something together comparing Neymar, Dybala, and CR7.
A few things are clear:
In a 4-3-3, Dybala is utter crap. Whether he plays wing or centrally, he has performed badly. Despite consensus here than Dybala played mostly as a CAM, in fact, he played more games last year as a CF in a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo. He also played a few games on the RW. He average .44 in total production in that formation. Ronaldo and Neymar can both play in a central role or in a wide role of a 4-3-3, and put up fairly similar. Neymar as a false 9 in Barcelona put up an 6 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in that position when Messi was injured in 13/14. CR7 put up similar performance whether playing centrally or wide left.
In a front 2, Dybala thrives with .82 in production per game. This includes his times playing there this past season, the 4-2-3-1 of 2 years ago, but not that of 3 years ago because he played more like an AM since Mandzukic was on the LW. 2 years ago it was mostly actual wingers and he played closer to Higuain. CR7 & Neymar both produce at similar levels in a front 2, but Neymar scores more.
As an attacking mid, Neymar was very good but only played 3 games. Dybala is bad generally. He is better in a 4-2-3-1 because there are fewer attackers, but if he is playing behind 2 scorers, he basically doesn't produce at all.
2 Conclusions:
if by some miracle we actually do get Neymar, he will work with Cristiano. They can freely interchange between central and left positions, and both will be effective. With Dybala, it looks like we'd be better off with a 4-3-1-2 with Dybala as a striker. A 4-3-3 with Dybala playing centrally looks challenging unless Sarri's system can bring out something unseen before.
A few things are clear:
In a 4-3-3, Dybala is utter crap. Whether he plays wing or centrally, he has performed badly. Despite consensus here than Dybala played mostly as a CAM, in fact, he played more games last year as a CF in a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo. He also played a few games on the RW. He average .44 in total production in that formation. Ronaldo and Neymar can both play in a central role or in a wide role of a 4-3-3, and put up fairly similar. Neymar as a false 9 in Barcelona put up an 6 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in that position when Messi was injured in 13/14. CR7 put up similar performance whether playing centrally or wide left.
In a front 2, Dybala thrives with .82 in production per game. This includes his times playing there this past season, the 4-2-3-1 of 2 years ago, but not that of 3 years ago because he played more like an AM since Mandzukic was on the LW. 2 years ago it was mostly actual wingers and he played closer to Higuain. CR7 & Neymar both produce at similar levels in a front 2, but Neymar scores more.
As an attacking mid, Neymar was very good but only played 3 games. Dybala is bad generally. He is better in a 4-2-3-1 because there are fewer attackers, but if he is playing behind 2 scorers, he basically doesn't produce at all.
2 Conclusions:
if by some miracle we actually do get Neymar, he will work with Cristiano. They can freely interchange between central and left positions, and both will be effective. With Dybala, it looks like we'd be better off with a 4-3-1-2 with Dybala as a striker. A 4-3-3 with Dybala playing centrally looks challenging unless Sarri's system can bring out something unseen before.
Stats are virtually meaningless when comparing the output of attacking players in completely different leagues and teams. Neymar has played for Barca and PSG, two insanely attacking teams. Ronaldo and Dybala were playing for a conservative Juve team. Compare Ronaldo's contribution at Real v Juve, there are so many more factors at play e.g. tactics, if there are other players available to score, if their teammates create chances, the tactics of opposition, the ability of opposition.
Dybala played on the RW more often than not last season and was incredibly deep, I don't recall Neymar ever playing that role.
Of course stats have their place but I'm not sure how much we can read into them here.
On transfermkt. They have game logs. You can drill into each individual game. These numbers include all competitions.
And while absolute production is less important due to league - relative is important. Dybalas production in various positions is vastly different, while the others remain more or less consistent.
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And while absolute production is less important due to league - relative is important. Dybalas production in various positions is vastly different, while the others remain more or less consistent.
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Dybala never plays centre of the 3, he's always out on the wing. Secondly, our mid last year was built for defence and nobody was carrying the ball forward with any creative intent. Matuidi popping up in the box was just that but with the ball, nothing attacking from him. Costa also didn't feature much either so it's unfair to judge too much.
Neymar plays in a ultra attack system, Barca mid might not be as super as Xavi and Iniesta days but they have excellent movement and that allows Neymar to flourish. PSG tried to replicate that system but Neymar was injured a lot to properly judge him.
Likely that Higuain starts tomorrow but the moment Dybala comes in for him, we will score.
Neymar plays in a ultra attack system, Barca mid might not be as super as Xavi and Iniesta days but they have excellent movement and that allows Neymar to flourish. PSG tried to replicate that system but Neymar was injured a lot to properly judge him.
Likely that Higuain starts tomorrow but the moment Dybala comes in for him, we will score.
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