Summer Mercato Thread 2018 (117 Viewers)

[Vialli_92]

Carlitos wanted to go back to Argentina, Marota was owned by Madrid, Pirlo was ready to move on, Pogba went for a record fee (and probably had a gentlemans agreement with Beppe from the beginning -- free, remember), Vidal drunkenly crashed his ferrari and was coming off a knee injury, and Bonucci forced his way out (and has been dogshit for Milan). These situations are not exactly all the same, but if you want to ignore specifics and lump them all together as some sort of "Juve needs to sell their best players to buy", just so it fits the narrative you've chosen, then go right ahead. Management has done a fantastic job keeping us competitive.

You ignore the injuries, Tottenham's attacking quality, the fact that I stated we did not re-enforce in midfield -- which means we can't just counter attack the way you'd like, without leaving huge spaces at the back. That is schoolboy logic, basic comprehension shit. We don't have the pieces at the moment to play the type of football you'd like to see at the moment. You're a broken record, Vialli. It's brutal.

If you think Max needs to be the first one out after what he's accomplished, than you're very spoiled, and extremely short-sighted. He has kept us in the running despite the injuries, and the imbalanced team. Anyway, I'm pretty done with this argument, think it's ridiculous.

Obviously we need to make some changes, and that will happen in the summer.

Why didn't we reinforce in midfield?

Why is Allegri bending over for the management and having to change tactics every year?

The team is unrecognisable from 2015 and regressed massively

We have a better bench but the starting 11 is much worse

It feels like every step we take forward we take one back so don't go anywhere

I don't know how this team can beat the better teams when our attacking game plan is non existent other than to hoof it to Mandzukic on the wing who contributes only defensively on the wing

We signed Berna and Costa yet Mandzukic still starts on the wing

Khedira can't hit a barn door with a pass, you think if Guardiola was here he wouldn't be able to pass?

Allegri who has he improved?

Dybala is shackled, Higuain is not receiving enough service,

Costa and Berna should be starting always when available, they give us that unpredictability that is badly needed

Mandzukic should be only a last option on the wing if nobody else is available

What I see is a management who are content to show up in the CL and not actually go out to win it

Allegri has had a difficult job but if we weren't so blunt in attack I wouldn't be so critical of him

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We would never spend 94M on a 29 year old if we were in the business of just balancing the books. We would pocket at least half that and spend the other on some youngster.

That's exactly what we are doing we are balancing the books

It scares me how we spend 94 million on a player and can't seem to get close to his best out of him

 

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[Hist]

Why didn't we reinforce in midfield?

Why is Allegri bending over for the management and having to change tactics every year?

The team is unrecognisable from 2015 and regressed massively

We have a better bench but the starting 11 is much worse

It feels like every step we take forward we take one back so don't go anywhere

I don't know how this team can beat the better teams when our attacking game plan is non existent other than to hoof it to Mandzukic on the wing who contributes only defensively on the wing

We signed Berna and Costa yet Mandzukic still starts on the wing

Khedira can't hit a barn door with a pass, you think if Guardiola was here he wouldn't be able to pass?

Allegri who has he improved?

Dybala is shackled, Higuain is not receiving enough service,

Costa and Berna should be starting always when available, they give us that unpredictability that is badly needed

Mandzukic should be only a last option on the wing if nobody else is available

What I see is a management who are content to show up in the CL and not actually go out to win it

Allegri has had a difficult job but if we weren't so blunt in attack I wouldn't be so critical of him

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That's exactly what we are doing we are balancing the books

It scares me how we spend 94 million on a player and can't seem to get close to his best out of him

I share your general sentiment towards our attacking play but you are too harsh on Allegri.

He improved Marchisio and Tevez in his first season. Was very intelligent in his use of Pereyra and Stu. Caudrado certainly revitalized his career with us. Khedira was kinda dead when he joined us and we got 2 good seasons out of him. MDS is playing better than he ever did at Milan. Benatia revitalized his career with us.

Allegri knows how to put weird pieces together and get great results. Its just boring and ugly thats all.

 

[Fr3sh]

The Key is not to get banned right before the final.

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[Vialli_92]

I share your general sentiment towards our attacking play but you are too harsh on Allegri.

He improved Marchisio and Tevez in his first season. Was very intelligent in his use of Pereyra and Stu. Caudrado certainly revitalized his career with us. Khedira was kinda dead when he joined us and we got 2 good seasons out of him. MDS is playing better than he ever did at Milan. Benatia revitalized his career with us.

Allegri knows how to put weird pieces together and get great results. Its just boring and ugly thats all.

Yes he's quite good at being given a big mess and somehow getting results out of it

I probably am too harsh on Allegri but watching us attack under him is painful

I just don't see improvement under him and I think the management are too comfortable with him knowing he is able to get a success in Serie A with not much backing by the board

That is why I say a Serie A loss may be a good thing in the long run as it will shock the management and there is no way they could allow Napoli to win it consecutively if it were to happen in the first place as it would be unacceptable to have them win it twice in a row with the resources they have compared to us

 

[edgardavids2608]

Yes he's quite good at being given a big mess and somehow getting results out of it

I probably am too harsh on Allegri but watching us attack under him is painful

I just don't see improvement under him and I think the management are too comfortable with him knowing he is able to get a success in Serie A with not much backing by the board

That is why I say a Serie A loss may be a good thing in the long run as it will shock the management and there is no way they could allow Napoli to win it consecutively if it were to happen in the first place as it would be unacceptable to have them win it twice in a row with the resources they have compared to us

Its also good to know that we have an insane amount of injuries and are still ultra competitive. Allegri is a damn mastermind. No improvement? From what him taking the conte teams that couldnt make it in europe to the final the next year after that great coach said he couldnt take this team deep in europe.

Yeah he hasnt improved because he cam in and immediately made us competitive on all 3 fronts. Now he is doing something we havnt done since Lippi and be competitive on all fronts every season regardless of whats given to him.

True genius

Last year Alves screwed us IMO. We didnt plan on fixing this and we arent a team built on quick money splash fixes. Other than that our team has gotten better consistantly. Now lets see how our board can fix the midfield problem and rb. Can being brought in helps a lot

 

[Monty]

We've been 45 mins away from two potential trebles

We've won the double 3 years in a row

This season, we are one pk from dybala and one pk from higuain away from top of the table and leading our round of 16 tie, oh and nearly in the coppa final

Progressively scoring more goals, maintaining a solid defense

Oh fk it, i wish we had sarri :sarri:


P.S. put some respek on allegri, marotta, paratici and agnelli's names

 

[B3N]

Sign milikooni savi

 

[lgorTudor]

We've been 45 mins away from two potential trebles

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

 

[Fr3sh]

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

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Should've kept Martin around

 

[Klovn]

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

 

[Vialli_92]

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

100%

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Sign milikooni savi

That will literally blow our whole budget on one player

We will most likely sell Sandro so I guess it's possible we could afford him

 

[Hist]

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

They do it about almost wins in Serie A. We don't. We would consider it a clear failure if we don't win Serie A. Our objectives are different because we are now of a bigger stature.

Pre-2011/12 finishing second would have been a success. Thats why winning the league the first couple of years felt like a fantastic achievement while every scudetto since then (including Conte's record breaking 3rd) felt like meh. We are now at a much higher level that we take anything less than 1st place in the league to be a failure. Thats massive progress.

Almost winning the champions league IS a success given our new stature. Roma or Napoli wouldnt dream of even coming close to that. Reaching the final and losing it, while dominating the local league and cup, would be considered a success by clubs much richer than we are. Bayern would consider it a great season. United cant even dream of it. City would be more than happy being finalists as would PSG.

If you want to measure progress you shouldnt approach it from a purely binary perspective. By focusing only on whether we won the CL or didnt, you ignore all the difference in quality (and money rewards) between clubs exiting in the group stage or last 16, and those that get all the way to the final.

Only two teams in the world can take a semi-binary approach (Madrid and Barca) and even they wouldnt consider it a failure to reach the CL final and win the local double.

This season may prove to be a disaster as Serie A is not a gaurantee and there is a good chance of crashing out of Europe. If we dont advance beyond tottenham, I think everyone here would say its a failure. But losing to tottenham in the last 16 and losing to barca/madrid in the final are two VERY VERY different things and say very different things about the quality of the team.

 

[Cerval]

They do it about almost wins in Serie A. We don't. We would consider it a clear failure if we don't win Serie A. Our objectives are different because we are now of a bigger stature.

Pre-2011/12 finishing second would have been a success. Thats why winning the league the first couple of years felt like a fantastic achievement while every scudetto since then (including Conte's record breaking 3rd) felt like meh. We are now at a much higher level that we take anything less than 1st place in the league to be a failure. Thats massive progress.

Almost winning the champions league IS a success given our new stature. Roma or Napoli wouldnt dream of even coming close to that. Reaching the final and losing it, while dominating the local league and cup, would be considered a success by clubs much richer than we are. Bayern would consider it a great season. United cant even dream of it. City would be more than happy being finalists as would PSG.

If you want to measure progress you shouldnt approach it from a purely binary perspective. By focusing only on whether we won the CL or didnt, you ignore all the difference in quality (and money rewards) between clubs exiting in the group stage or last 16, and those that get all the way to the final.

Only two teams in the world can take a semi-binary approach (Madrid and Barca) and even they wouldnt consider it a failure to reach the CL final and win the local double.

This season may prove to be a disaster as Serie A is not a gaurantee and there is a good chance of crashing out of Europe. If we dont advance beyond tottenham, I think everyone here would say its a failure. But losing to tottenham in the last 16 and losing to barca/madrid in the final are two VERY VERY different things and say very different things about the quality of the team.

 

[rakib567]

In order to win the champions league we need to:

Keep our best players (Dybala and Alex sandro)
Improve the defence (De Sciglio as starting RB is a joke)
Sign a world class CM
Develop our youth to become world class (Kean, calrata, spinazzola)


If you look at madrid in the last few years they have kept their best players i.e. ramos, marcelo, ronaldo
they signed a world class CM in kroos.
they developed youth like Carvajal, Isco, Asensio, Casemiro, Verane.

 

[Bianconero81]

I can't wait for those defensive upgrades over the summer. Darmian and Spinazolla

I'm so eager to see what surprises Beppe has in store for us when it comes to our amazing midfield

Who's gonna be sold? Exciting times ahead

 

[Monty]

talks about 'winning mentality'
comes up with Napoli/Roma style honorary almost-title rhetorics to justify failures
:mut:

and our defence has been anything but solid this season and last CL season. It was/is shaky and overrated by foreigners because MUH ITALIAN DEFENCE

Getting to the champions league final is not a failure, its a massive achievement

@Hist explained it really well

But its good to know where you, klovn, fresh and vialli stand

 

[Orgut]

You don't believe fine, here's the gif

my gawd
can u imagine if that was wilshere, dybala, pjanic link up play like that overdose of flair and mother$#@! fancy

Isnt that an old goal of Arsenal (of the time of Bergkamp) or is it just something that reminds that one

 

[Bianconero81]

Getting to the champions league final is not a failure, its a massive achievement

@Hist explained it really well

But its good to know where you, klovn, fresh and vialli stand

Football is a game of fine margins my good man. Reaching the final is an achievement indeed, but losing it is a failure. Such is life.

 

[Adrian]

We strengthen and weaken an area each summer. That is our issue. Regardless of winning doubles and making two CL finals...we continously make decisions that are detrimental to our following.

The big boys in europe dont do this.

 

[dolph]

The last three years we've had domestic doubles, and made the CL final twice, Dolph!

The lineup needs some tweaking. There will be a few bumps in the road, as our legendary defence/keeper are phased out (as there were earlier this season in particular). Not all quality acquisitions are big money acquisitions. We've had quality scouting, and other than a couple of bad deals, management has been pretty savvy. Obviously the financial situation across Europe is a little crazy, but we're not in some dire-straights situation. Good base and mix of defenders (need a RB), and some quality forwards.

I'm not that worked up, but I find reading the same people spouting the same nonsense to be annoying. I just think we've got some exceptionally spoiled fans at this point. Tired of logging on to read all the bull$#@! about Allegri, and people perpetually whining because the team isn't going to walk into another title and CL final. It's not supposed to be easy to win with the historic consistency that this side has demonstrated the past 6 seasons, and people are really overdoing it around here.

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Amen! There is not some straight line equation that spending a lot automatically means the player will fit in well and produce.

Fair enough. I understand your argument. What has taken place at Juve since AA and BM took over is truly amazing and I guess fans including myself get spoiled rather quickly.

I have always defended the fact that if you want to succesfull long term, you have to be selfsupportet and have your finances in order. However you also have to be willing to make investments in the team, especially in a market were your competitors make hugh investments every summer. Otherwise we are going to be left behind.