Summer mercato thread 2017-18 (34 Viewers)
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if PSG let Verratti go, which will make them a selling club and they can't keep the likes of Marquinhos, Rabiot. After all, l find PSG is right about Verratti, since Di Campli didn't respect them since very first day. The guy is selling Verratti in the media every other day.
He has a contract with PSG and should be respected. l'm sure Verratti and his agent will get a new contract with pay rise in the end.
He has a contract with PSG and should be respected. l'm sure Verratti and his agent will get a new contract with pay rise in the end.
And how do you think it works in the job market? You are free to end your contract anytime you want and go to another job.
I have an indefinite contract with my company but I can walk right now into Human Resources and resign immediately. And they can also fire my ass right now. They would have to pay me some compensation but the contract can be terminated at any time. And it is definitely not a farce with people doing "whatever they want"
I have an indefinite contract with my company but I can walk right now into Human Resources and resign immediately. And they can also fire my ass right now. They would have to pay me some compensation but the contract can be terminated at any time. And it is definitely not a farce with people doing "whatever they want"
I think in coming years we'll see shorter contracts, because players are done being "prisoners", they want their freedom of choice. just as NBA players are doing now, players will realize they have power, and sign 2-3 year contracts, because why not? why would I sign a 5 year contract, and if I want to leave I have to wait for someone to put 100 million? fuck that, give me 2 years and I'll decide again when the contract ends. this way we'll see less bombastic spending, and higher player salaries - I guess that's what they want 
I think in coming years we'll see shorter contracts, because players are done being "prisoners", they want their freedom of choice. just as NBA players are doing now, players will realize they have power, and sign 2-3 year contracts, because why not? why would I sign a 5 year contract, and if I want to leave I have to wait for someone to put 100 million? fuck that, give me 2 years and I'll decide again when the contract ends. this way we'll see less bombastic spending, and higher player salaries - I guess that's what they want
That's where you live.
Where "I" live (France), a company can't go, and flirt with a dude in another company of the same sector. Trying to steal employees is forbidden. Sure still many does it, but if you get caught, oh boy.
Also, I can't resign just like that to join a competitor. Each contract has some clauses, for example in mine, I can't resign to join a company from the same sector (well I can still go to court, or ask for a mediation, but still, 2 months of mercato would not be enought to pull it out ). Also all companies have the right to ask you to stay for [see clauses in your contract to see how long] so that they can find replacements, or to give time to your company to form a new employee.
Which is logical, imagine if you get employed just to steal documents, and secrets. You stay one month to get what you want, you resign, and join the first competitor around. Nope, doesn't work like that here. Not easy at all to pull it off.
If you compare with football clubs that are big companies, it isn't as easy to leave a big company (like where I work) to join a competitor. So yeah, i'm not shocked at PSG claiming they are in the right here.
Hard to compare between countries. I can do it with Verratti tho, because the dude "works" in the same country as me. And here a company that treats you well have some rights too.
edit: Just like about firing somebody if you're the boss, in France, you can't fire anyone without any reason (yep you need a reason, a real one, not just some bad excuse), or get your ass ready to be sued.
Where "I" live (France), a company can't go, and flirt with a dude in another company of the same sector. Trying to steal employees is forbidden. Sure still many does it, but if you get caught, oh boy.
Also, I can't resign just like that to join a competitor. Each contract has some clauses, for example in mine, I can't resign to join a company from the same sector (well I can still go to court, or ask for a mediation, but still, 2 months of mercato would not be enought to pull it out
). Also all companies have the right to ask you to stay for [see clauses in your contract to see how long] so that they can find replacements, or to give time to your company to form a new employee.Which is logical, imagine if you get employed just to steal documents, and secrets. You stay one month to get what you want, you resign, and join the first competitor around. Nope, doesn't work like that here. Not easy at all to pull it off.
If you compare with football clubs that are big companies, it isn't as easy to leave a big company (like where I work) to join a competitor. So yeah, i'm not shocked at PSG claiming they are in the right here.
Hard to compare between countries. I can do it with Verratti tho, because the dude "works" in the same country as me. And here a company that treats you well have some rights too.
edit: Just like about firing somebody if you're the boss, in France, you can't fire anyone without any reason (yep you need a reason, a real one, not just some bad excuse), or get your ass ready to be sued.
I think in coming years we'll see shorter contracts, because players are done being "prisoners", they want their freedom of choice. just as NBA players are doing now, players will realize they have power, and sign 2-3 year contracts, because why not? why would I sign a 5 year contract, and if I want to leave I have to wait for someone to put 100 million? $#@! that, give me 2 years and I'll decide again when the contract ends. this way we'll see less bombastic spending, and higher player salaries - I guess that's what they want
If he planned to leave this summer, he could not have renewed last year. He would be closer to be able to pull it off because his contract would be shorter.
I feel it's incredibly unfair to trash companies as if employees were always in the right. As I said, Verratti tried to be the winners in all cases. PSG didn't force him to renew last year you know.
It's not as easy as "a company is trash, your boss is trash. The dude working for them is always right", nope, it's not black and white like that.
That's where you live.
Where "I" live (France), a company can't go, and flirt with a dude in another company of the same sector. Trying to steal employees is forbidden. Sure still many does it, but if you get caught, oh boy.
Also, I can't resign just like that to join a competitor. Each contract has some clauses, for example in mine, I can't resign to join a company from the same sector (well I can still go to court, or ask for a mediation, but still, 2 months of mercato would not be enought to pull it out ). Also all companies have the right to ask you to stay for [see clauses in your contract to see how long] so that they can find replacements, or to give time to your company to form a new employee.
Which is logical, imagine if you get employed just to steal documents, and secrets. You stay one month to get what you want, you resign, and join the first competitor around. Nope, doesn't work like that here. Not easy at all to pull it off.
If you compare with football clubs that are big companies, it isn't as easy to leave a big company (like where I work) to join a competitor. So yeah, i'm not shocked at PSG claiming they are in the right here.
Hard to compare between countries. I can do it with Verratti tho, because the dude "works" in the same country as me. And here a company that treats you well have some rights too.
edit: Just like about firing somebody if you're the boss, in France, you can't fire anyone without any reason (yep you need a reason, a real one, not just some bad excuse), or get your ass ready to be sued.
Where "I" live (France), a company can't go, and flirt with a dude in another company of the same sector. Trying to steal employees is forbidden. Sure still many does it, but if you get caught, oh boy.
Also, I can't resign just like that to join a competitor. Each contract has some clauses, for example in mine, I can't resign to join a company from the same sector (well I can still go to court, or ask for a mediation, but still, 2 months of mercato would not be enought to pull it out
). Also all companies have the right to ask you to stay for [see clauses in your contract to see how long] so that they can find replacements, or to give time to your company to form a new employee.Which is logical, imagine if you get employed just to steal documents, and secrets. You stay one month to get what you want, you resign, and join the first competitor around. Nope, doesn't work like that here. Not easy at all to pull it off.
If you compare with football clubs that are big companies, it isn't as easy to leave a big company (like where I work) to join a competitor. So yeah, i'm not shocked at PSG claiming they are in the right here.
Hard to compare between countries. I can do it with Verratti tho, because the dude "works" in the same country as me. And here a company that treats you well have some rights too.
edit: Just like about firing somebody if you're the boss, in France, you can't fire anyone without any reason (yep you need a reason, a real one, not just some bad excuse), or get your ass ready to be sued.
I understand that there could be special circumstances where you can't join the competition, specially in the high tech sector but that's impractical in football. Are you gonna tell a player well you can leave to Juventus but only if you join their cricket team?
I am not saying the current system is wrong in football, just making a comparison with the labor market since you brought up that being a footballer is also a job.
France is not a western country in many, many many cases then.
As I said, there are lots and lots of laws here to regulate all that.
And footballers, football clubs, have to abide by a lot of the same laws here btw. For example, when a club tried to cut or retain the salary of a player that did something bad, not even for 5 min, it couldn't, because in France, you can't play with the salary of somebody on a whim whatever the job, whatever the sector, whatever who your company is, big or little.
Same about why there's no release clause in contract in France. That's not football related at the base.
So let's agree to disagree. I don't know where you live, but your laws and regulations are definitely not the same, so we won't understand each other.
Lats thing tho, France is a western country, and one amongs the ones that protect companies, and employees the most in the world. And I'm fine with that even if I understand people from some countries would cry because there's less "freedom". To which I reply I prefer more regulations, than too much freedom where people, and companies do whatever they want without caring.
As I said, there are lots and lots of laws here to regulate all that.
And footballers, football clubs, have to abide by a lot of the same laws here btw. For example, when a club tried to cut or retain the salary of a player that did something bad, not even for 5 min, it couldn't, because in France, you can't play with the salary of somebody on a whim whatever the job, whatever the sector, whatever who your company is, big or little.
Same about why there's no release clause in contract in France. That's not football related at the base.
So let's agree to disagree. I don't know where you live, but your laws and regulations are definitely not the same, so we won't understand each other.
Lats thing tho, France is a western country, and one amongs the ones that protect companies, and employees the most in the world. And I'm fine with that even if I understand people from some countries would cry because there's less "freedom". To which I reply I prefer more regulations, than too much freedom where people, and companies do whatever they want without caring.
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