Summer Mercato season 2024-25 (78 Viewers)

[rainhard]

If we can get Maximilian Beier, stats wise he will be our versatile attacker can play anywhere upfront, clearly upgrade from Soule

Soule, with his 11 goals last season 5 of that comes from penalty, and 1 from free kick, only 5 comes from open play. And look the kind of teams he score against, we dont need another players to score 5 goals against the like Cagliaris and Salernitanas and come shut against our direct rivals (Inter, Napoli, AC Milan)

This Max Beier kid with 16 goals last season in Bundesliga, all of them come from open play, left foot right foot, while he is 185cm(6 feet 1 or2") he did not score with header last season. From what I see in his highlight he really good with his crossing and finishing, he can get more assists if his teammates can convert more instead of mere 3 asssist last season (same amount with Soule)

And from these list we can see him score against Bayern Munich, Dortmund, and Leverkusen as Bundesliga top team, so he thrive on big matches too.
Against Wolfsburg, Union, Kolm and Frankfurt as the mid table, Heidenheim and Darmstadt as the minnows. So we can expect him to perform against at least our direct rival in terms of UCL qualifiaction

I can see him as one on one Soule replacement while with his presence we can offload Milik to while giving him less than MIlik salary. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Weah will become another 3rd striker and 2nd wingers for both wings.

The problem with Milik is if Vlahovic playing 90 minutes he is basically getting millions to warm the bench, as I said regularly, in Giuntoli and Motta mind they want players that can play as vice Vlahovic and can fill another position too if needed. This Max Baier is the perfect sample of the kind of player that we want, we basically fusion Soule and Milik as young Germany machine with the salary half of both of them combine

In the end we will probably have 6 players minimal for 3 (AMRL ST) positions upfront, with most of them can play as wingers and attacking midfielders (like Yildiz) and at least 3 players can play as striker include Vlahovic, but the other 2 players can play as wingers and/or attacking midfielders too

 

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[Alin]

If we can get Maximilian Beier, stats wise he will be our versatile attacker can play anywhere upfront, clearly upgrade from Soule

Soule, with his 11 goals last season 5 of that comes from penalty, and 1 from free kick, only 5 comes from open play. And look the kind of teams he score against, we dont need another players to score 5 goals against the like Cagliaris and Salernitanas and come shut against our direct rivals (Inter, Napoli, AC Milan)

This Max Beier kid with 16 goals last season in Bundesliga, all of them come from open play, left foot right foot, while he is 185cm(6 feet 1 or2") he did not score with header last season. From what I see in his highlight he really good with his crossing and finishing, he can get more assists if his teammates can convert more instead of mere 3 asssist last season (same amount with Soule)

And from these list we can see him score against Bayern Munich, Dortmund, and Leverkusen as Bundesliga top team, so he thrive on big matches too.
Against Wolfsburg, Union, Kolm and Frankfurt as the mid table, Heidenheim and Darmstadt as the minnows. So we can expect him to perform against at least our direct rival in terms of UCL qualifiaction

I can see him as one on one Soule replacement while with his presence we can offload Milik to while giving him less than MIlik salary. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Weah will become another 3rd striker and 2nd wingers for both wings.

This Max Baier rumor sounds almost too good to be true, would absolutely want him here but i am pretty sure he won’t be cheap at all so i don’t know know how we’ll afford to invest that much into a backup, even as versatile as he is.

 

[Amer]

You guys fighting here about golies when there are larger issues at hand.

May I remind you 3:0 Nurnberg?

 

[rainhard]

This Max Baier rumor sounds almost too good to be true, would absolutely want him here but i am pretty sure he won’t be cheap at all so i don’t know know how we’ll afford to invest that much into a backup, even as versatile as he is.

Agree, the possibility is really open if we found the right value that satisfy us and Hoffenfeim. We will have higher possibility to acquire these kind of signing if we can move the unmoveable Tek, Rugani, Arthur, McKennie, Kostic, Milik,Chiesa.

If we count the salaries freed from these sell out and if only we can find someone who can buy them on their book value

Tek book value 1.2m , salary 12.040.000 gross (last year of contract)
De Sciglio value 1m, salary 2.780.000 grooss (last year of contract)
Rugani book value ??, salary 3.700.000 gross
Arthur book value 22m, salary 6.410.000 gross
McKennie book value 5m, salary 3.210.000 gross (last year of contract)
Kostic book value 7m, salary 3.210.000 gross
Milik book value 4.2m , salary 4.490.000 gross
Chiesa book value 14m, salary 9.260.000 (last year of contract)

I will rate this mercato 100/10 if we can sell these players just for their book value. free 45m of gross salaries and get money total around of 50m-60m if we are lucky of their book value

 

[Osman]

woj gone summer? which summer you mean this summer? cuz july is done and he still here. so you wrong.

again with this he is amazing goalie and small loan delayed shit. listen. YOU and your posse of "this club so broke" keep saying club needs to sell. club needs to sell for plusvalenza. club needs to sell for wage structure. but then turn around and say 18m for a goalie when the 3 already in squad not sold yet is no big deal

listen to yourself. club is broke. club needs to sell players to make money. club signs a 4th goalie. no big deal. club is broke. club wastes money no big deal.

Such an embarrassing post, find new material already.

 

[Alin]

Such an embarrassing post, find new material already.

He actually makes a valid point if we’d somehow end up blocked and unable to ship Tek off, but that’s extremely unlikely to happen.

 

[Siamak]

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[Robee]

woj gone summer? which summer you mean this summer? cuz july is done and he still here. so you wrong.

again with this he is amazing goalie and small loan delayed shit. listen. YOU and your posse of "this club so broke" keep saying club needs to sell. club needs to sell for plusvalenza. club needs to sell for wage structure. but then turn around and say 18m for a goalie when the 3 already in squad not sold yet is no big deal

listen to yourself. club is broke. club needs to sell players to make money. club signs a 4th goalie. no big deal. club is broke. club wastes money no big deal.

Plusvalenza is only needed for the books/FFP of that specific season. In that regard we spent 4 mil on Di Gregorio. His salary is 2 mil while Woj is on 6,5. You do the math.

So the 14 mil is for next season when we'd have to spend anyway... What is wrong with that. If we hadn't made this deal, we'd be looking for a goalie with a hole in the squad. Hence every team upping the price.

The one thing that remains is offloading Pole without contributing to the salary...

 

[Suns]

you had to sign a goalie. had to? but there are 3 in the squad so you didn't have to sign anyone before selling existing goalie.

has goalie been sold yet? no so you didn't have to. so now the squad has 4 goalies with none being sold.

also you cannot and i meant cannot with a serious face talk about market opportunity and then turn around say you have limited budget. if your budget is limited you sign players you need not market opportunity

I kind of agree, we have 4 goalkeepers and no wingers while just hiring a coach that plays wingers. This team has a lot of problems but Szczesny is not one of them.

And you could argue that we have 3 Serie A starting goalkeeper material in the squad right now.

 

[Robee]

I kind of agree, we have 4 goalkeepers and no wingers while just hiring a coach that plays wingers. This team has a lot of problems but Szczesny is not one of them.

And you could argue that we have 3 Serie A starting goalkeeper material in the squad right now.

Like the wage bill and Szczesny's salary. I agree.

 

[Scottish]

If we can get Maximilian Beier

Let me stop you right there

 

[Osman]

He actually makes a valid point if we’d somehow end up blocked and unable to ship Tek off, but that’s extremely unlikely to happen.

I kind of agree, we have 4 goalkeepers and no wingers while just hiring a coach that plays wingers. This team has a lot of problems but Szczesny is not one of them.

And you could argue that we have 3 Serie A starting goalkeeper material in the squad right now.

Its not a valid point, because its two seperate things, signing De Gregorio, and how we will sell/get rid of players, wether its Woj or any other position.

Its end of July, and the transfer window closes 1st september. So the notion of crying about Woj being here isnt valid, it gets valid in 2nd September and we havent been able to move Woj and his 6.5m salary.

But we got a younger goalie who was chosen best in the league, for loan with obligation, cost us only 4m transfer fee this season, and 2m salary, thats a boost both in player quality and the books.


Like rainard and robee explained well, its about plusvalenza, and for Wojs case, barely even need a transfer sum to break even, just need to get rid of his salary.



Like we can critique Giuntoli of how he handles sales/getting rid of players they dont want to keep (tho he sold Kean, Soule, Huijsen, Illing and Barrenchea). Not liking some of the aspects of how the club handled that part of the equation so far. But as said, its over a month left til window closes, theres still time.


Its about them you dont feed the lazy trolling of Lion when it comes to the goalie aspect of it. Because spending 4m transfer on a top level starting goalie for this season is the absolute opposite of a red flag issue. The mere fact he keeps harping on it sensessly (just re-read his last post) makes me think he is trolling. If he isnt trolling, the alternative is scarier, that he is just fucking retarded.

 

[rainhard]

Let me stop you right there

He has 30m release clause and 1m gross salary, really hope we can get him around the same amount but better payment structure
25m+5m achieveable bonuses (5 years installment)

 

[Alen]

Its not a valid point, because its two seperate things, signing De Gregorio, and how we will sell/get rid of players, wether its Woj or any other position.

And also, sometimes you take the opportunity once it appears and then you think about the rest. If people in our club see this keeper as a generational talent, or as someone who is/will be great, it's completely fine to buy him even if he wasn't a necessity at the moment. Like how we bought Zlatan, despite having Del Piero, Trezeguet, Di Vaio and Miccoli in the team.

 

[Osman]

He has 30m release clause and 1m gross salary, really hope we can get him around the same amount but better payment structure
25m+5m achieveable bonuses (5 years installment)

He will go somewhere he will get a starting position. Because as I understand it, don't know the guy, but on reports and youtube, he is a CF. And Vlahovic plays alot.

He seems direct and penetrating finisher, but can he play winger? Will he be used there? Behind the lines runs and shooting seems to be mostly what he does.

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And also, sometimes you take the opportunity once it appears and then you think about the rest. If people in our club see this keeper as a generational talent, or as someone who is/will be great, it's completely fine to buy him even if he wasn't a necessity at the moment. Like how we bought Zlatan, despite having Del Piero, Trezeguet, Di Vaio and Miccoli in the team.

Yep exactly, we even got Woj himself too early, while Gigi was still here. So Woj spent a season being Gigis backup.


But this time it won't be the same according to their plans. Even if it will be hard, they signaling in every way Woj leaves this summer, and not next summer for free. Hence why they signing a starting goalie immediately. Maybe if we didn't Gregorio won't be available next summer (Inter angle, Napoli or Roma etc).


So far Woj haven't been part of our pre season trainings or overseas trip.


Think they just waiting for a Saudi angle since Monza is a bust. Maybe eventually just terminate him if it comes to that, tho doubt it.

 

[Alex-444]

Plusvalenza is only needed for the books/FFP of that specific season. In that regard we spent 4 mil on Di Gregorio. His salary is 2 mil while Woj is on 6,5. You do the math.

So the 14 mil is for next season when we'd have to spend anyway... What is wrong with that. If we hadn't made this deal, we'd be looking for a goalie with a hole in the squad. Hence every team upping the price.

The one thing that remains is offloading Pole without contributing to the salary...

I heard that the sponsor on the jersey did not come from this Plusvalenza

damage to the brand

 

[rainhard]

He will go somewhere he will get a starting position. Because as I understand it, don't know the guy, but on reports and youtube, he is a CF. And Vlahovic plays alot.

He seems direct and penetrating finisher, but can he play winger? Will he be used there? Behind the lines runs and shooting seems to be mostly what he does

I think he can be starter as our winger for this season, his ability to find the space will important for Motta style. I think next move is to project him to play upfront and sell Vlahovic, Vlaho's 12m net salary next season is just insane. I think Giuntoli only hope Vlahovic record goals contribution notch above his height with us this season so he can bargain for better price when we sell him, then use that money to improve the position that still untouch this season like RB (Danilo in his last year of contract maybe we extend 1 year more with extend clause for another year this season), and Vlaho's replacement and/or another winger and spread those salaries

Plays a bit like: Thomas Müller

His physicality mirroring that of Müller's lithe frame, Beier makes up for a lack of muscle with an in-game intelligence that might one day match that of the great Bayern Munich Raumdeuter. Hoffenheim's nimble forward has an uncanny ability to find himself in the right place at the right time and as well as managing to score tidy goals under pressure, is also unselfish when it comes time to assist a better-placed teammate. Sound familiar?

The only goal agains top team from Vlahovic last season is the only one against Inter, basically Dusan "Bottomhalf Bully" Vlahovic. Most of those team he scored against are end up to be in #13-20 clubs in last season final table

 

[mondo1]

Juventus have made enquiries about Hoffenheim forward Maximilian Beier. #Juventus [@MatteMoretto]

Yes please


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[Badass J Elkann]

Not Italian - Check
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[Orgut]

Few things:
First I tend to agree with Lion on this. If we want to cut cost we should have got rid of Woj.
The only reason to go for a GK when the other isnt already with one foot out of the door is when the GK is so good you need to snap him up before others do.
This was the case with De Georgio with Liverpool also seemingly keen on him. The thing is - De Georgio for me isnt that great. He has a good shot stopping ability but its not as he is Donnarumma or something.

As for the rest - Koop isnt close but the rumors all season and all the media talking about his will to come here as well - Seems like its on.
Winger - Thats a good question as we are letting Chiesa and Soule go but we go for Galeno Conceicao (are they both really better than Chiesa?)
There were talks about Sancho which got disappeared once the name PSG came on but I know this guy can dribble but doesnt he do it way too often without too much efficiency?
Adeyemi is another name we were linked with but he from what I have seen is all speed. With Serie A probably cutting his legs before he can run too far, and with our change of play-style I find it hard to see how he can fit in. As someone mentioned he could have been good in Allegri`s counter system but a bit off for the Motta kind of football.

As for our game against Nurnberg - I wouldnt worry. There are probably 0 seasons in the last 20 years in which we were actually a beast of a team in pre season. Also the teams werent exactly at full force (kind of pointless but seeing youngsters IMO but this is for them to decide)