throater just compared 35 year old retirmenet age cuadrado to chiesa and yildiz and kostic to defend allegri
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Except Cuadrado is like 47 years old and perpetually injured so your point doesn't stand.
A better metric to determine the Allegrification of players would be by comparing players like Chiesa, Locatelli, Vlahovic, Kostic e.t.c. in their pre-Allegri spells to their current ones. A Euro 2020 best player who literally carried Italy to success, a top percentile passer in Europe, a top 5 goalscorer in Europe, and a leading assist player. All completely nullified. Its not a coincidence.
A better metric to determine the Allegrification of players would be by comparing players like Chiesa, Locatelli, Vlahovic, Kostic e.t.c. in their pre-Allegri spells to their current ones. A Euro 2020 best player who literally carried Italy to success, a top percentile passer in Europe, a top 5 goalscorer in Europe, and a leading assist player. All completely nullified. Its not a coincidence.
I mean, you have to at least mention the ACL injury with Chiesa, can't pretend it didn't happen. It's two different players and we can all see the physical and mental difference. It's just that he's trying to recover his level in a coach and system that doesn't bring out his best attributes. I said it at the time and was gutted about it but thought he'd never be the same. At his peak he was a furious and frenetic player, a one man attack. He looks like he's playing with the handbrake on now, and it isn't all Allegri, Allegri, Allegri...
main point has nothing to do with reality
kostic had a good season last year, zero complaints from me. i wanted him to remain. nobody saw this kostic coming. last season he was pretty good
chiesa has been injured constantly since allegri returned: he was subbed out of the euro final with an injury, never fully recovered, torn his acl, the rest is history. he looked great at the beginning of the season before an other injury
vlahovic arrived from firenze with pubalgia. now he's admittedly left pubalgia behind and scored more goals in january than any other striker in the top5 leagues
locatelli's best g+a with sassuolo was 4+2 with xg merchant de zerbi, and in allegri's first season he had 3+4. top percentile passer? quote please
also still waiting for you to quote the posts where i said that i believed in the scudetto. will it ever come, or will you apologize like a man would. rhetorical question of course
kostic had a good season last year, zero complaints from me. i wanted him to remain. nobody saw this kostic coming. last season he was pretty good
chiesa has been injured constantly since allegri returned: he was subbed out of the euro final with an injury, never fully recovered, torn his acl, the rest is history. he looked great at the beginning of the season before an other injury
vlahovic arrived from firenze with pubalgia. now he's admittedly left pubalgia behind and scored more goals in january than any other striker in the top5 leagues
locatelli's best g+a with sassuolo was 4+2 with xg merchant de zerbi, and in allegri's first season he had 3+4. top percentile passer? quote please
also still waiting for you to quote the posts where i said that i believed in the scudetto. will it ever come, or will you apologize like a man would. rhetorical question of course
sorry, but you are talking out of your ass again. in current group of players i always had good opinion on vlahovic, chiesa, soule, iling jr and even miretti. i had favourable opinion about rabiot before he was cool. i have neutral opinion on most of the rest. the the thing is i only praise people when they are getting undeservedly bashed. the reason i keep bad mouthing the unholy abomination is also that he is still getting support here(half of them are not even juve fans but trolls) after all he is done.
as for kostic, even if he produced 20-25 assists, his limitations were obvious. someone watching this sport for so long, you should have noticed that he is not cut out for Juventus.
as for kostic, even if he produced 20-25 assists, his limitations were obvious. someone watching this sport for so long, you should have noticed that he is not cut out for Juventus.
There is no even, or buts about anyone producing 20-25 assists lol, no limitations matter in that context. That's litterally producing the best creative service in the sport if one does that. Defenitely not only cut out for Juve, but that's prollly better assist rate then anyone in Juve history?
So your little hyperbole scenario really falls flat.
And for the players you are positive of, weird way to show it, I rarely ever read you saying anything positive about any Juve players, so my question was legit. I dont mean just Allegri, we know that already, but passive aggressive negativity on club in general 24/7, so it's very hard to notice you ever say anything positive about the players.
Unless you indirectly using them as way to attack Allegri that is, it's rare to see genuine compliment or good assessment or the players or team in general (despite the cancer coach, there's good things).
You really think injuries alone justify such drastic changes in performances? Have you ever considered maybe that Chiesa is and has been playing out of position for a very long time now? So much so that he has even taken digs at Allegri during NT press conferences when he's with a team and coach that actually allows him to thrive in his natural position? Or Vlahovic, who has to play with his back to goal most of the time in a 2 man attack when his profile fits that of a lone poacher who feeds off through balls? You bring up Locatelli- he played 99 games for Sassuolo where he managed 7 goals and 11 assists. Conversely at Juve, he has 116 games under his belt and managed 4 goals and 11 assists. You want sources? Here you go seeing as you couldnt be bothered to look it up yourself:
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2021/06/twenty-for-euro-2020-players-to-watch/#locatelli
"only five players across Europe’s top five leagues bettered Locatelli’s 2,749 passes in 2020-21."
"Locatelli played nearly 300 more passes in the opposition half (1,606) than the next closest contender in Serie A, whilst 446 of his passes progressed the ball into the final third, another league high. Locatelli also fares favorably against Serie A’s other leading midfielders when it comes to carrying the ball, with Locatelli one of four midfielders to record 500+ carries in Serie A this season, though none of the others also surpassed the 2,000-mark for passes. Amongst the top eight carrying midfielders in Serie A in 2020-21, no one comes within 500 passes of Locatelli (2,749), with 384 of those passes recorded following a carry."
So what happened then? Unfortunately for you, you can't use the bullshit injury excuse here. So there must be something more to it then.
Oh don't worry, you don't have to be rhetorical, the proof's in the pudding below. I just decided it wasn't worth wasting my time entertaining your stupidity.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2021/06/twenty-for-euro-2020-players-to-watch/#locatelli
"only five players across Europe’s top five leagues bettered Locatelli’s 2,749 passes in 2020-21."
"Locatelli played nearly 300 more passes in the opposition half (1,606) than the next closest contender in Serie A, whilst 446 of his passes progressed the ball into the final third, another league high. Locatelli also fares favorably against Serie A’s other leading midfielders when it comes to carrying the ball, with Locatelli one of four midfielders to record 500+ carries in Serie A this season, though none of the others also surpassed the 2,000-mark for passes. Amongst the top eight carrying midfielders in Serie A in 2020-21, no one comes within 500 passes of Locatelli (2,749), with 384 of those passes recorded following a carry."
So what happened then? Unfortunately for you, you can't use the bullshit injury excuse here. So there must be something more to it then.
Oh don't worry, you don't have to be rhetorical, the proof's in the pudding below. I just decided it wasn't worth wasting my time entertaining your stupidity.
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