And yet you remember him not for winning the CL or WC, but for the footballer he was. There's more to football than statistics.
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Football players, sure. There are some brilliant footballers that won next to nothing. They can be remembered for their talent and skill and achievements even without trophies.
But not coaches. Coaching fame and renown is exclusively linked to winning titles. I can’t name a single coach historically who won nothing. Nor can I name a coach that isn’t active today who never had any success at a big club. Gasperini will be remembered by no one but Atalanta fans if he never wins anything.
But not coaches. Coaching fame and renown is exclusively linked to winning titles. I can’t name a single coach historically who won nothing. Nor can I name a coach that isn’t active today who never had any success at a big club. Gasperini will be remembered by no one but Atalanta fans if he never wins anything.
I disagree about Genoa but even if I skip it - you admit he is a good coach that took him too much time to sort out his tactics.
Its a good thing we will get current Gasperini and not 15 years ago version...
It does not matter how long it took - He is what he is now...
Ws for tenure - Dont worry he can definitely coach for 10 years.
Ideas - He is old but ideas are modern.
If we can hire Sarri who is so disgusting we can hire Gasp...
As for past - I think he is a declared Juve fan and he also played for us IIRC.
Also he kind of dislike Inter..
Its a good thing we will get current Gasperini and not 15 years ago version...
It does not matter how long it took - He is what he is now...
Ws for tenure - Dont worry he can definitely coach for 10 years.
Ideas - He is old but ideas are modern.
If we can hire Sarri who is so disgusting we can hire Gasp...
As for past - I think he is a declared Juve fan and he also played for us IIRC.
Also he kind of dislike Inter..
74 year old Gasp on the bench! I can see Serie B coming for Juve again
And some of y’all think Lippi is too old to have even a Nedved style role at the club, and here’s Orgut thinking we should have a guy who turns 64 next season coach us for a decade.
Thank fuck, our president isn’t retarded enough to repeat the Sarri mistake. Or is he
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No hiring pensioners to coach the club. Should be a pretty obvious and simple rule.
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Linked to winning titles? Sure, there's an undeniable link there. Depends on winning titles? Nah, there are plenty of coaches that'll be remembered for their style rather than trophies won. You type "best football coaches" in google and most coaches there have won a lot, but there is also Wenger, Bielsa among the top results.
Bielsa has been a mythical coach for at least a decade, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Would you call Arsene Wenger a winner?
Wenger will be remembered, but definitely not for winning a lot of trophies lol.
Would you call Arsene Wenger a winner?
Wenger will be remembered, but definitely not for winning a lot of trophies lol.
He won 19 trophies, ofc he's a winner. He ruined his legacy a bit because he drove the 'top 4 is the most important thing', but early Wenger was a great coach.
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Bielsa has been a mythical coach for at least a decade, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Would you call Arsene Wenger a winner? Wenger will be remembered, but definitely not for winning a lot of trophies lol.
Would you call Arsene Wenger a winner?
Wenger will be remembered, but definitely not for winning a lot of trophies lol.
If not for Arsenal slashing their budget due to their new stadium, they could've dominated English football for more number of years than they actually did.
I would consider him as a flashy and epic failure if he wouldn't have won anything. It's that short period of efficiency and effectiveness that made him Ronaldinho for me. He was unplayable in those years and that's the difference with losers like Quaresma, Lamela etc.
But on the actual discussion; I don't see Gasperini as a good fit at all. We need a very flexible coach to work with this bunch of scrap and still make it competitive from the start because e won't solve all the gaping holes in the squad. That will take years.
But on the actual discussion; I don't see Gasperini as a good fit at all. We need a very flexible coach to work with this bunch of scrap and still make it competitive from the start because e won't solve all the gaping holes in the squad. That will take years.
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Can't speak for others but for example I remember Guidolin for the work he did at Udinese and not for the CI win with Vicenza. Zeman, Bielsa, Pulis and Allardyce are some examples of pretty well known coaches that have never won anything. The former two are known for their attacking play style and the latter two for their long ball style and the ability to keep teams up.
Obviusly the top top coaches coaching the biggest and the best teams leave the biggest mark in history. However if you expect me to remember every random coach that has won the CI or the FA Cup from lets say 95 onwards just because they won something you're out of luck. Human memory is a much more random than that.
Obviusly the top top coaches coaching the biggest and the best teams leave the biggest mark in history. However if you expect me to remember every random coach that has won the CI or the FA Cup from lets say 95 onwards just because they won something you're out of luck. Human memory is a much more random than that.
More than a declared Juve fan that is bitter to Inter, which he is famous for, he was formed in Juve's academy as a player since childhood and coached the Juve youth teams for a decade.
As you say, his ideas are modern than coaches that 20 years younger than him.
That you cannot name a coach like that doesn't mean that others can't. What is the difference between players being remember without winning trophies but not coaches? Even going by that he cannot just be remembered by Atalanta fans as he made history with Genoa.
Bielsa hasn't won a single thing in european football but he is remembered. Guidolin and Mazzarri with their back 3 surely affected Italian (and world football) more than a random coppa italia trophy would. Should Zeman only be remember by Foggia, Lazio, or Roma fans? his football revolutionized Serie A in the 90s without winning anything at top level. Gasperini is having this same effect. His football is both attractive and effective to many, Atalanta's story of relegation to CL knockouts has a deep effect in Italian football. Now we see Gasperini's "disciples" coming up, like Juric. Same for Sarri, his EL trophy with Chelsea or his scudetto with us is not the core of legacy. The impact of "Sarrismo" in Serie A transcends winning a trophy that you are favored to win, it as seen immediately with Giampaolo and now with De Zerbi for example.
Sarri was trophyless coaching Empoli and Napoli, a normal thing. Got the reigns of Chelsea and won a trophy right away, got Juve and won another trophy. Those trophies don't radically change the level of Sarri. He is who he was. A coach that did great things for smaller teams were winning a trophy in more difficult. With us there was a misfit, the conditions were too different for the relationship to function yet he won his trophy. Put Gasperini in Chelsea or Juve he will surely win a trophy.
Pirlo has a trophy a few months into his coaching career. Does that make him a winner and Gasperini a loser? ridiculous. Give Pirlo Atalanta and lets see him struggle ever more.
As you say, his ideas are modern than coaches that 20 years younger than him.
That you cannot name a coach like that doesn't mean that others can't. What is the difference between players being remember without winning trophies but not coaches? Even going by that he cannot just be remembered by Atalanta fans as he made history with Genoa.
Bielsa hasn't won a single thing in european football but he is remembered. Guidolin and Mazzarri with their back 3 surely affected Italian (and world football) more than a random coppa italia trophy would. Should Zeman only be remember by Foggia, Lazio, or Roma fans? his football revolutionized Serie A in the 90s without winning anything at top level. Gasperini is having this same effect. His football is both attractive and effective to many, Atalanta's story of relegation to CL knockouts has a deep effect in Italian football. Now we see Gasperini's "disciples" coming up, like Juric. Same for Sarri, his EL trophy with Chelsea or his scudetto with us is not the core of legacy. The impact of "Sarrismo" in Serie A transcends winning a trophy that you are favored to win, it as seen immediately with Giampaolo and now with De Zerbi for example.
Sarri was trophyless coaching Empoli and Napoli, a normal thing. Got the reigns of Chelsea and won a trophy right away, got Juve and won another trophy. Those trophies don't radically change the level of Sarri. He is who he was. A coach that did great things for smaller teams were winning a trophy in more difficult. With us there was a misfit, the conditions were too different for the relationship to function yet he won his trophy. Put Gasperini in Chelsea or Juve he will surely win a trophy.
Pirlo has a trophy a few months into his coaching career. Does that make him a winner and Gasperini a loser? ridiculous. Give Pirlo Atalanta and lets see him struggle ever more.
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