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[Post Ironic]

Why are you grouping Gasperini with Sarri? He has had a a whole squad that earns less then just Ronaldo alone, and been overacheiving in a real good way with them. Sarri has gotten backing with funds from Napoli and Chelsea, and with us, and showed himself to be wanting.


You can say Gasperini is a small team coach, yes, but I wouldnt group him with Sarri, his football seems more effective, and he gets more out of less, real teamplay at every level. His main blight has been failing at Inter, but that was for mere 3 months. Otherwise, making Genoa CL spot level team almost, and making little Atalanta a near power house type team on sheer footballing tactics alone, is something to be commended IMO.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I think I said so above, aside from when trolling. He’s a good coach, just not really a Juventus coach imo. Zero pressure situation, can really do whatever he wants with his side, just has to have them play entertaining football. It also suits a side that is well known for its academy and scouting to produce young talents, so the young, athletic, talented players suit his style of play. They’ve also done a good job of keeping a core group of players the last couple years and not selling quite as quickly.

Mostly, I’d just rather not take another chance on a 63 year old with zero winning pedigree thus far. Gimme a proven winner. Or a young, up and comer that has gotten some good results.

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Did I say Sarri or Gasperini were better than Allegri?

Things are not binary and don't have to fit in your Internet narratives, liking Allegri doesn't prevent you from thinking that the winner of the last two panchina d'oro is in fact a good coach. Probably too complex of a concept that more than one coach can be good. Easier to define people as losers.

Lol. Gasperini has won zilch as both a player and a coach. He is the literal definition of an eternal loser. Could that change? Sure. But until it does, he’s spent a career losing.

 

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[s4tch]

How else are you supposed to call someone who's been coaching for 18+ years and won ZERO trophies?

a good coach?

remember when lippi arrived to juve? prior to that: zero tituli. conte before juve? zero tituli. trapattoni pre juve? zero tituli.

atalanta were a shit team and a club going nowhere before him, and he made them a top30 team on the uefa rankings and an easy top5 in italy, on a budget way out of the top10. calling gasp a loser might be correct technically, but it's still extremely ignorant and shortsighted.

 

[Post Ironic]

"Keeps being the best in Serie A"

What?

Apparently winning nothing is the best way to be the best.

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a good coach?

remember when lippi arrived to juve? prior to that: zero tituli. conte before juve? zero tituli. trapattoni pre juve? zero tituli.

atalanta were a shit team and a club going nowhere before him, and he made them a top30 team on the uefa rankings and an easy top5 in italy, on a budget way out of the top10. calling gasp a loser might be correct technically, but it's still extremely ignorant and shortsighted.

These were all coaches in their 40s when they came to Juventus. Same with Max.

If Gasperini was a young, talented coach getting these results I’d say sure, but he’s 63 and basically took until he was 60 to figure shit out. I’m not a fan of hiring 60+ year olds to coach this side.

 

[juve123]

Apparently winning nothing is the best way to be the best.

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These were all coaches in their 40s when they came to Juventus. Same with Max.

If Gasperini was a young, talented coach getting these results I’d say sure, but he’s 63 and basically took until he was 60 to figure shit out. I’m not a fan of hiring 60+ year olds to coach this side.

No wonder inter sacked him after couple of games they knew that it would take a couple of years for him to basically figure out his tatics

 

[zizinho]

Get Dzeko already

 

[s4tch]

No wonder inter sacked him after couple of games they knew that it would take a couple of years for him to basically figure out his tatics

inda sacked everyone after a couple of months back then, they were a truly terribly managed bunch of losers post mourinho.

inda fired gasp after 5 games. you said that they were right.

i bet you don't remember in which position atalanta were after 5 games with gasp back in '16 when they hired him. they lost to palermo, and they were 18th on the table, with 1 win and 4 losses. 1st grande juve123 of tuz's expert opinion: they should have fired him, because it takes a couple of years for him to fugure out his tactics.

 

[IlCapitano]

a good coach?

remember when lippi arrived to juve? prior to that: zero tituli. conte before juve? zero tituli. trapattoni pre juve? zero tituli.

atalanta were a shit team and a club going nowhere before him, and he made them a top30 team on the uefa rankings and an easy top5 in italy, on a budget way out of the top10. calling gasp a loser might be correct technically, but it's still extremely ignorant and shortsighted.

Football is about winning trophies.

There is no room for debate here - you win you're a winner, you lose you're a loser. 18 year career ffs, you'd think he'd stumble upon a trophy somewhere or somehow.

 

[juve123]

inda sacked everyone after a couple of months back then, they were a truly terribly managed bunch of losers post mourinho.

inda fired gasp after 5 games. you said that they were right.

i bet you don't remember in which position atalanta were after 5 games with gasp back in '16 when they hired him. they lost to palermo, and they were 18th on the table, with 1 win and 4 losses. 1st grande juve123 of tuz's expert opinion: they should have fired him, because it takes a couple of years for him to fugure out his tactics.

Don't get offended I didn't know Gasperini is your favourite coach

 

[s4tch]

Football is about winning trophies.

There is no room for debate here - you win you're a winner, you lose you're a loser. 18 year career ffs, you'd think he'd stumble upon a trophy somewhere or somehow.

you surely looked at his career. with which teams he was supposed to stumble upon a trophy?

in your book, di matteo is surely a winner, right? and let's ignore for a second that there are literally 19 better coaches in the league right now than him.

 

[Post Ironic]

inda sacked everyone after a couple of months back then, they were a truly terribly managed bunch of losers post mourinho.

inda fired gasp after 5 games. you said that they were right.

i bet you don't remember in which position atalanta were after 5 games with gasp back in '16 when they hired him. they lost to palermo, and they were 18th on the table, with 1 win and 4 losses. 1st grande juve123 of tuz's expert opinion: they should have fired him, because it takes a couple of years for him to fugure out his tactics.

I know this wasn’t responding to me, but again, my point has nothing to with that. He’s too old to be starting out at big club, simple as that. Can you name the last great coach who got started at a big club in their mid-60s? I can’t think of a single one. Or even a formerly successful coach hired in their mid-60s by a top club and succeeding? Again, I’m drawing a blank. For that reason alone it would be an idiotic hire imo. It takes energy, motivation, drive, ambition to come into one of the Greatest clubs in the world and get them to succeed to the highest level. And I don’t trust that a guy in his mid-60s has all that.

Aside from that, it took him 15 years to get his coaching tactics sorted to be effective. He was nothing special at Genoa, in either of his spells, a decent coach nothing more, I won’t count Inter because too short, but he got awful results at Palermo. Only the past few years has he finally turned into a good coach, otherwise he’d have had another shot at a top club years ago.

 

[IlCapitano]

you surely looked at his career. with which teams he was supposed to stumble upon a trophy?

in your book, di matteo is surely a winner, right? and let's ignore for a second that there are literally 19 better coaches in the league right now than him.

If they've won 0 trophies ofc they're not better. Point of any sport is to win. Di Matteo won. His one CL run is worth more than a 30 year career of no winning. You think someone's going to talk about Gasp in 50 years if he wins nothing? But that RDM run with Chelsea will always be remembered.

 

[s4tch]

I know this wasn’t responding to me, but again, my point has nothing to with that.

and my point has nothing to do with his age or anything you wrote. i didn't even say anything about him as a pirlo replacement.

i simply replied to those claims calling gasp a loser. football is a tiny bit more complicated than this. he's overachieving with a cheap squad on a regular basis, that's a huge fucking win, even if it doesn't come with a trophy.

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If they've won 0 trophies ofc they're not better. ... Di Matteo won...

so by your logic, you'd surely pick di matteo or mazzarri, even zaccheroni, gullit or pirlo (don't underestimate his supercoppa, it's_a_trophy!) over gasperini, bEcAuSe ThEy ArE wInNeRs.

thanks for sharing, it was an interesting conversation.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

This type of conversation comes up often and I absolutely hate it, maybe it just hits way too close to home. "Can't hire you without experience, but you won't get experience because we won't hire you," but just replace "experience" with "trophies".

Not saying this applies specifically in this case with Gasperini, but the overall general concept of it is ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[Post Ironic]

This type of conversation comes up often and I absolutely hate it, maybe it just hits way too close to home. "Can't hire you without experience, but you won't get experience because we won't hire you," but just replace "experience" with "trophies".

Not saying this applies specifically in this case with Gasperini, but the overall general concept of it is ridiculous in my opinion.

It applies to younger coaches though. Not 63 year olds, two decades into their coaching career and nearing the end.

Most good young coaches eventually get a shot at a top club, or the second tier of clubs (Roma, Napoli, etc) to prove they can hack it.

Gasperini just took to long perfecting his tactics and was already 60 when things started to click. He’s a good coach, but I don’t think any top club should be hiring him.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It applies to younger coaches though. Not 63 year olds, two decades into their coaching career and nearing the end.

Most good young coaches eventually get a shot at a top club, or the second tier of clubs (Roma, Napoli, etc) to prove they can hack it.

Gasperini just took to long perfecting his tactics and was already 60 when things started to click. He’s a good coach, but I don’t think any top club should be hiring him.

Personally, I don't believe that if someone doesn't get something the first time around then they never can or they will never become great at something. Whether someone becomes a good coach at 30 or at 50 doesn't mean much as long as they're good at this moment.

Just to reiterate though I'm just speaking in general terms here and not specifically about Gasperini.

 

[il brutto]

Football is about winning trophies.

There is no room for debate here - you win you're a winner, you lose you're a loser. 18 year career ffs, you'd think he'd stumble upon a trophy somewhere or somehow.

This is such a simplistic notion. It's about winning trophies for certain clubs for some other clubs football is about avoiding relegation or finishing in the top half. All clubs are not created equal.

 

[.zero]

Joke of a post. Imagine calling Gasperini a loser.

Well he certainly cannot be classified as a winner

 

[DanielSz]

Football is about winning trophies.

There is no room for debate here - you win you're a winner, you lose you're a loser. 18 year career ffs, you'd think he'd stumble upon a trophy somewhere or somehow.

lol this is a pretty generalized way to look at things. I think if Gasperini was given a club with the budget of Juventus he would “stumble upon a trophy somewhere“

Its not a coincidence that the winner of every major league is almost always a big budget club. That’s what makes a Leicester win special, because it rarely happens.

 

[Boksic]

Gasp will have won a trophy by the end of the season.

 

[juve123]

Gasp will have won a trophy by the end of the season.

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