Summer mercato 2015 (73 Viewers)

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hojo_samurai

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May 13, 2015
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Awful Summer if we really did sell Vidal and have nobody even close to world class coming in.


Very poor. Stinks of a feeder club mentality.

Oh sure take a key player from us with no resistance and no competition. Hopefully we can use some of that cash to raid a $#@! Italian team though.
it will please you to know that Beppe has said Pogba staying is up to him, expect another no resistance loss next summer
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Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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So the "gurus" of VS are now throwing around Praet's name? Definitely most likely bullshit but who knows anything about him?
Only 21 and has some potential, but would feature as a sub here. No way he'd be a starter right away. I think it's a bit below our standing to go for him anyway. Signing a 21 year old De Bruyne or a 21 year old Hazard is what we need. Praet is a decent player, but well below that category.
 

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Only 21 and has some potential, but would feature as a sub here. No way he'd be a starter right away. I think it's a bit below our standing to go for him anyway. Signing a 21 year old De Bruyne or a 21 year old Hazard is what we need. Praet is a decent player, but well below that category.
I thought as much.

Do you rate Tielemens? Even if very young.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I thought as much.

Do you rate Tielemens? Even if very young.

Tielemans has performed exceptionally well for such a young player and could develop into something truly special. I think every club would be lucky to have him. Obviously he would probably not play a lot in the beginning, but I do think he has all the potential to become a world class player. I'm not sure if he'd be interested in Serie A though.
 

Salvo

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Tielemans has performed exceptionally well for such a young player and could develop into something truly special. I think every club would be lucky to have him. Obviously he would probably not play a lot in the beginning, but I do think he has all the potential to become a world class player. I'm not sure if he'd be interested in Serie A though.
I assume he'd be pretty pricey, we need a more established name right now.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I assume he'd be pretty pricey, we need a more established name right now.
I agree. I think we're probably looking at players in the 24-25 age bracket. Guys at the start of their peak. Unfortunately most of those players are also the most expensive on the market.
 

zizinho

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Im not saying because we arent getting an am we wont do well. I just never liked playing players to play a formation. This team is lacking creativity somewhat. Mandzukic is a great finisher but he needs the service, ans i really dont want to see morata's talent and development to be hindered because mandzukic needs the service. If Pereyra is to be our starting trequartista, id much rather that but we will most likely see a front 3 of dybala, mandzukic, and morata.
Mandzukic wont have lack of service and we also wont hinder Moratas development in any way
 

zizinho

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time yes but we have tended to do the majority of our business before pre season is in full swing which was the case up until we sold Vidal, now we are looking for at least 2 or 3 positions which needs improving instead will just be filled with able bodies to plug the gaps till next summer. Marotta and co have hugely miscalculated this summer's targets and considering the funds we supposedly had we are still looking like a team that is looking in the bargain basement, that is even after selling Vidal. Money shouldn't be as much of an issue as before yet it is the same excuses over and over, sure realistically speaking I'm not expecting a 50 mill player but at the same time our manner in which we tried to low ball schalke for draxler with results of epic failure is quite frankly embarrassing for a club our size
the team is pretty much complete. everything we add from now on is a bonus
 

zizinho

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Veratti???? The only italian with talent.
So did we sell Vidal to balance the books?
no, it was because he requested a transfer

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complete? no way. Pogba will get burnt out if we stay as we are.
maybe we will add another rotation player in midfield considering these injuries, but thats pretty much it. also, it doesent help that there arent really much options available out there
 

zizinho

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But aren't psg hands tied when we come and ask for the player ? He is Italian and Juve fan, he will force the move.
Verratti will absolutely not force a move to Juventus, thats ridiculous

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There are no questions about Balotelli`s talent! only his attitude!
I personally would welcome a Balotelli loan with option
BTW our overrated Morrata isnt as good as Balotelli when it comes to talent however behavior could change fate as we can see in this case.
Dont know if Morata would become one of the best but if Balotelli wont change for a team he is suited for and play nice he is on his way to not being wanted by any team which isnt far away from where he is now!

Anyway Dybala as AM? not sure about it but if we try it then we need a great forward to partner Morata and one who can create as well as score
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Badass J Elkann

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no, it was because he requested a transfer

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maybe we will add another rotation player in midfield considering these injuries, but thats pretty much it. also, it doesent help that there arent really much options available out there
but this is what annoys me the most about what marotta said today. On the face of it we sold a world class player to just replace him with a rotational player in midfield. This is just a complete backwards step of how we are going about. It is like we are back to the old quantity over quality way of things. It's wrong! options or not this is a major fuck up on behalf of the management and not helped by their own arrogance in how they negotiate for the 'better' players i.e draxler
 

Nenz

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Our attack was definitely worse when marchisio was playing in Pirlo's place. You just can't compare the creativity of the two. Don't kid yourself and think we have a new pirlo in marchisio all of the sudden. Marchisio is better defensively and makes our midfield better at pressing. Pirlo on the other hand was by far better at distribution and especially at bringing the full backs into play. Claiming marchisio is better for us offensively and defensively is completely off.

When pirlo was on the field marchisio was also on the field so thats double the creativity. Now we have staruro. The 2012 midfield will definitely be better than what we have today. we had pirlo and vidal on form and only marchisio was below par and was rightfully pushed to the bench by pogba.

in any case what matters is not whats on paper but whats on the pitch. If we win the scudetto and get another QF finish then management has succeeded. If not then they have failed. Thats what matters. I dont care who we get as long as we reach our objectives.
I don't have any figures up my sleeve and I can't be fucked finding them, but I feel that we moved the ball around quicker and created more chances with Marchisio in front of defense. When Juve played with Pirlo the overarching plan of attack seemed to be 'get Pirlo on the ball'. A fairly one dimensional plan which was unsuccessful many times for us in previous seasons in games like the tie against Bayern in 2013 when Pirlo was simply man marked out of the game. It was the only plan and we struggled to create chances. Yes, we won the league four times in a row but after Pirlo's first season at Juve I feel Conte's 3-5-2 got found out and we were more grinding out results with exceptional defending and pure grinta, not unrelenting, Pirlo orchestrated assaults on goal.

With Allegri's 4-3-1-2 we became a touch less dependent on Pirlo but even still his playing was contingent on having a tackling box to box midfielder in Vidal playing in the hole on account of his defensive shortcomings. Someone on here rightly mentioned that attacking midfielder is a position not a playing style. The same goes for playing in front of the defense. Marchisio is not Pirlo. There are very few players in the world who could even come close in terms of style and ability. However, Marchisio is a remarkably smart and well rounded midfielder and he suits the role well. He provides more defensive cover than Pirlo ever could and he allows us to shift our creative focus further afield behind the strikers where it should be in a 4-3-1-2.
 

zizinho

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but this is what annoys me the most about what marotta said today. On the face of it we sold a world class player to just replace him with a rotational player in midfield. This is just a complete backwards step of how we are going about. It is like we are back to the old quantity over quality way of things. It's wrong! options or not this is a major $#@! up on behalf of the management
we havent sold Vidal to replace him with a mediocre player though. Vidal leaving was due to him wanting to play for Bayern, and we absolutely cant replace him with that calibre of player since no one that good is available. the only options we have are young uprising stars like Vidal was prior to his move here and more experienced players that arent exactly on that level. we'll see who and if we get someone, but no one should be expecting top players
 
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