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Dino_mk

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Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
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Exactly what I have been saying!
 

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GK - Buffon, Neto, Rubinho
DR - Lichtsteiner, Caceres, Padoin
DL - Evra, Padoin, Asamoah (Caceres)
DC - Bonucci, Chiellini, Barzagli, Rugani Caceres
DM - Marchisio, Khedira, Sturaro (Padoin)
CM - Pogba, Khedira, Marchisio, Sturaro, Asamoah, Pereyra
AM - Pereyra (Dybala) (Coman)
SS - Dybala, Coman (Morata)
CF - Morata, Mandzukic, Zaza

CM and AM light, DL longer term.
Bringing in an AM and LB makes that look better. Padoin can play cm as well. I wouldnt be against getting a CM on the cheap or loan with option as insurance, unless they trust someone like Tello enough.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
:tup: top post, you put it better than I ever could :D
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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I really like it, we are looking for a midfielder but we don't give a rat's ass about what kind of player he is. We just want to fill the squad with numbers.
Either he doesn't want to project that we have money to spend or he's actually confused with the direction the team is taki coz Allegri has categorically asked for an AM, and if he means what he just said in that interview then he's backtracked on his own comments about an AM, and he doesn't think he's good enough to sign one. Probably out of his depth. And if he really gave that interview which I think has been twisted, perhaps also means he could've lied about Vidal wanting out. He concluded with Tevez's example but no mention of Vidal when talking about player decisions pushing for a move.

Disgusting stuff really. We are 'never' able to attract players such as Isco or Oscar, yet we will sell our top players immediately when they request a transfer. I was really optimistic about or mercato and even rated it 9 or even 10/10 before the sale of Vidal, but it seems to me we won't get any adequate replacement. We were supposed to make majors steps after our incredible performance of last year but to me it seems we have stagnated. The focus should be on the Champions League again, as it is really important to put back to back performances on European Level and i believe that is going to be difficult without a top AM.
If we don't get an AM, then it's because Marotta can't get us one. And Isco/Oscar aren't stellar? He's likely been misquoted or he's buying Goetze. Anything less, and he's incapable of taking this team further and instead playing to his own strengths of just regurgitating the squad which would perrinially work on depth and opportunity signings rather than high end quality, especially with the departures of Tevez, Pirlo and Vidal.

I don't understand the doom and gloom.

We made the QF of the CL (and won the Scudetto) with a much worse team in 2012/13. Those should be our expectations from this season anyway.
Incase that doesn't happen this year again, and we don't get an AM but a midfielder who adds to the numerical quotient, who carries the blame?

Our defence is better, our midfield is weaker, and our attack is much better compared to then. Our midfield carried us through way too many games in those days.
The attack as a whole is better, but starting quality of Tevez-Morata is not better, at best on par with Dubala-Morata/Mandzukic which would need time to gel.

Other teams around us have gotten much better.That's the difference.

Scudetto isn't going to be an easy ride this year.That's for sure.
I think we are overrating our squad this season. Four straight scudettos give you a slight psychological advantage, till the time you hit a crisis. At that point you need game changing quality and I don't see that on the pitch if we don't get a half decent AM. Pogba will have too much responsibility this season.

Only Inter have strengthened significantly, and to a lesser extent Milan. It wont be as easy, for sure, but we are still the team with the best squad in the league - even after the loss of the "big 3"
If the loss of Vidal isn't properly compensated with an incomi high profile player, then I'd say we are definitely weaker than last year. Remember that we have a lot of gelling to do across positions on the pitch, and that makes us work from scratch in some ways, much like Inters new signings.

Awful Summer if we really did sell Vidal and have nobody even close to world class coming in.


Very poor. Stinks of a feeder club mentality.

Oh sure take a key player from us with no resistance and no competition. Hopefully we can use some of that cash to raid a shit Italian team though.
Shameful, really, if Marrotta's interview is authentic.

Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
This is goi to be a long season for us.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
Perfect post. :tup:
 

DeviAngel

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Oct 3, 2014
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Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
Spot on
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Our attack was definitely worse when marchisio was playing in Pirlo's place. You just can't compare the creativity of the two. Don't kid yourself and think we have a new pirlo in marchisio all of the sudden. Marchisio is better defensively and makes our midfield better at pressing. Pirlo on the other hand was by far better at distribution and especially at bringing the full backs into play. Claiming marchisio is better for us offensively and defensively is completely off.

When pirlo was on the field marchisio was also on the field so thats double the creativity. Now we have staruro. The 2012 midfield will definitely be better than what we have today. we had pirlo and vidal on form and only marchisio was below par and was rightfully pushed to the bench by pogba.

in any case what matters is not whats on paper but whats on the pitch. If we win the scudetto and get another QF finish then management has succeeded. If not then they have failed. Thats what matters. I dont care who we get as long as we reach our objectives.
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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Like I've mentioned, we should take solace in the fact that we were winning when Vidal and Pirlo were nothing short of average. Except for some of those CL group stage matches we actually played our best football for a decade last season without those two in form. Yes, Tevez, carried us to a degree but the overall quality of our attack should be a lot stronger - Morata should keep improving, Dybala is a star in the making and Mandzukic is the poacher we always wanted. Maybe Coman will leave his mark on our season and break through.

The midfield is more balanced without Pirlo in front of defense. When Marchisio plays there our attack is more dynamic. The load is shared and other players who know how to bring the ball towards our goal take on the responsibility. Whether it be a Pirloesque pass from Pogba or a dribbling run from Pereyra, I think we're going to be more prepared to put the variety of attacking options we've been taking for granted to use rather than passing to Pirlo at any cost. To add, and it goes without saying, we're far more solid defensively without Pirlo.
Good point! You forgot to add how we've rejuvenated the squad as well. We've got 8 players born after 1991 and many of them are already proven stars; Pogba, Morata, Dybala, Pereyra etc.
 

TheLaz

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Our attack was definitely worse when marchisio was playing in Pirlo's place. You just can't compare the creativity of the two. Don't kid yourself and think we have a new pirlo in marchisio all of the sudden. Marchisio is better defensively and makes our midfield better at pressing. Pirlo on the other hand was by far better at distribution and especially at bringing the full backs into play. Claiming marchisio is better for us offensively and defensively is completely off.

When pirlo was on the field marchisio was also on the field so thats double the creativity. Now we have staruro. The 2012 midfield will definitely be better than what we have today. we had pirlo and vidal on form and only marchisio was below par and was rightfully pushed to the bench by pogba.

in any case what matters is not whats on paper but whats on the pitch. If we win the scudetto and get another QF finish then management has succeeded. If not then they have failed. Thats what matters. I dont care who we get as long as we reach our objectives.
The 2012 and 13 Pirlo was better then Marchisio will probably ever be. But the 2014 and 15 Pirlo was worse then Marchisio is. Comparing the 2014/15 squad with the 15/16, it's safe to say Marchisio is an upgrade to Pirlo.
 

Orgut

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Juventus abandon Draxler for Gotze?
By Football Italia staff

Juventus have reportedly given up on signing Julian Draxler, and will instead focus on Bayern Munich’s Mario Gotze.

The Bianconeri were given permission to speak with Draxler, but Schalke 04 rejected their first offer for the German international.

After speculation that a deal had to be completed before yesterday’s open day, SportMediaset is reporting that the Old Lady will not meet the €30m asking price.

The news outlet believes that the Turin giants will now rekindle their interest in Mario Gotze, who is not in Bayern Munich Coach Pep Guardiola’s plans.

The attacking midfielder has previously hinted he would be interested in a move to Turin, and SportMediaset believes he could be available for as little as €20m.

20M?? Yeah right if thats the case we should add 5M just to say deliver him in express shipment...
 

Cheesio

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Witsel, what sort of player is he? What positions does he play?
From what i've seen of he's more suited to play as DM, he has a good technique, strong physically but slow as hell. He's not that great of passer but he can distribute the play well.
I don't see him as a Box to box because of his lack of speed.
I could be wrong tough :boh:
 

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From what i've seen of he's more suited to play as DM, he has a good technique, strong physically but slow as hell. He's not that great of passer but he can distribute the play well.
I don't see him as a Box to box because of his lack of speed.
I could be wrong tough :boh:
Didnt people used to post him as an AM? :D
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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The 2012 and 13 Pirlo was better then Marchisio will probably ever be. But the 2014 and 15 Pirlo was worse then Marchisio is. So to compare this past seasons squad with the current, it's safe to say Marchisio is an upgrade to Pirlo.
Last year Pirlo wasnt at his best but he still organizes play much better than Marchisio and is still capable of amazing passes that Marchisio can only dream of
Marchisio is a better player in his position but in Pirlo`s position its stupid saying Marchisio is an upgrade
Its like saying Gotze is better than Vidal when they are both very different kind of players
If you want an attacking player than Gotze is your man
If you want a defensive/all rounder/a more compete player than Vidal is definitely the better player!
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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Juventus abandon Draxler for Gotze?
By Football Italia staff

Juventus have reportedly given up on signing Julian Draxler, and will instead focus on Bayern Munich’s Mario Gotze.

The Bianconeri were given permission to speak with Draxler, but Schalke 04 rejected their first offer for the German international.

After speculation that a deal had to be completed before yesterday’s open day, SportMediaset is reporting that the Old Lady will not meet the €30m asking price.

The news outlet believes that the Turin giants will now rekindle their interest in Mario Gotze, who is not in Bayern Munich Coach Pep Guardiola’s plans.

The attacking midfielder has previously hinted he would be interested in a move to Turin, and SportMediaset believes he could be available for as little as €20m.

20M?? Yeah right if thats the case we should add 5M just to say deliver him in express shipment...
 
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